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RandalSchwartz: looks like my marketing work is paying off again
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up_the_irons: <u>RandalSchwartz</u>: did you just post to freebsd-questions?
RandalSchwartz: yeah
up_the_irons: nice
<br> I got another twitter follower out of it ;)
RandalSchwartz: I see
up_the_irons: Just read the thread. Looks like it would be helpful if I could ship a server out to the EU somewhere.
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RandalSchwartz: not sure why people care where the server is
<br> unless it's about jurisdiction for subpoenas
<br> not like network times matter all that much any more
<br> although I'm comparing most times to what I get on a cruise ship :)
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up_the_irons: <u>RandalSchwartz</u>: EU customers may see a noticeable delay when typing in the shell over SSH
<br> so if one does a lot of that, it gets annoying fast, and they want either an EU server or US-East-Coast server
RandalSchwartz: sure
<br> again even ssh at 1200 ms delay, I've learned to type carefully
jpalmer: <u>up_the_irons</u>: My suggestion: find a data center in london, paris, or some place like that. Then, send me and my fiancee out to rack it and such around march. We'll mix honeymoon + business :P
up_the_irons: <u>jpalmer</u>: LOL
jpalmer: hey, can't blame a guy for trying, right?
up_the_irons: :)
RandalSchwartz: looks like someone said arp is twice the goodies for the price in that thread
<br> nice
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bharatak: greetings
up_the_irons: whoa cool
bharatak: anyone know how i can go about setting up rDNS for my ip6 network? the soa is ns1.arpnetworks.com.
RandalSchwartz: and now, they experience the next hurdle... sold out until jan 8. :)
up_the_irons: yep
RandalSchwartz: bharatak - email to support@
<br> but be sure you have your delegation set up right already
<br> up_the_irons - isn't there a wiki page on that already?
bharatak: uh cool - but how?
<br> i know the aaaa is right
RandalSchwartz: bharatak - ever set up named masters before?
<br> presuming you're using bind?
bharatak: yes, but not using bind right now
RandalSchwartz: you'll need to be
<br> and you'll probably want to select a secondary as well
<br> or you can use your own DNS server software
<br> bind is what I'm using
bharatak: i use a 3rd party for my dns, zoneedit - i already setup the in6.arpa but its not the soa
RandalSchwartz: ahh - then you just need a delegation
<br> email support@
<br> generally fixed in 24-48 hours
up_the_irons: <u>RandalSchwartz</u>: don't think there is a wiki page for rdns delegations, just ipv6 setup w/ routing over link-local
bharatak: and tell them my ns servers?
RandalSchwartz: yeah
bharatak: cool, thanks
RandalSchwartz: they'll set up the NS subdomain
-: RandalSchwartz says "they" as if up_the_irons is not in channel
<br> bharatak is getting strangly into the he.net certification
RandalSchwartz: yeah - I did that and completed it
bharatak: but - hey i'm ready for ip4 to die
RandalSchwartz: I moved my secondary to he.net to fix most of it
<br> so now my secondary for my forward and reverse are both on he.net
bharatak: i may do that as well, but i have one host on a dynamic address
<br> and you run the primary?
RandalSchwartz: ... http://ipv6.he.net/certification/scoresheet.php?pass_name=merlyn
<br> yes - I run the primary locally
bharatak: i'm just running out of memory - and i'm too cheap to buy more
RandalSchwartz: I decided to stop at 1024
-: bharatak bows to the sage ;)
RandalSchwartz: to get 1500, you just have to write a script and let it run for a year
<br> I figured that was stupid
bharatak: but did you get the t-shirt?
RandalSchwartz: yeah!
<br> hell yeah
bharatak: thats all that counts then
RandalSchwartz: indeed, what geeks will do for "free" clothing
<br> the fun part was incoming mail on ipv6
<br> my first v6 mail, I did a happy dance :)
bharatak: i've yet to see that
RandalSchwartz: it's one of the higher levels
bharatak: ah- - i got one email from he.net
RandalSchwartz: my first v6 mail was followed immediately by my first v6 spam
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RandalSchwartz: spammers. pure evil.
<br> almost as evil as svn
bharatak: damn, i think i have to wait for zoneedit to assign me to a ns
<br> git it
RandalSchwartz: I like Linus on that. "You can't say SVN is a better CVS, because CVS sucks so much it's impossible to improve" :)
-: bharatak is starting to think about firing up bind
RandalSchwartz: pretty simple if you're running freebsd
<br> echo named_enable=YES >>/etc/rc.conf
<br> and edit /etc/namedb/named.conf to have your master file
<br> ... zone "0.8.0.3.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa" {
<br> ... type master;
<br> ... file "master/2607:f2f8:3080";
<br> ... };
bharatak: openbsd here, fairly similar
<br> though the commands do bark if you make a typo
RandalSchwartz: yeah, not as fun though
<br> I was on openbsd for 5 years
<br> switched to freebsd last year
<br> won't ever go back
bharatak: why
RandalSchwartz: freebsd = zfs + pf + huge port collection
bharatak: the only thing i'd like is zfs
RandalSchwartz: and far easier sysadm, I think
bharatak: but i'd miss the simplicity/purity
RandalSchwartz: mostly because of rc.d setup
bharatak: i ran freebsd many moons ago
RandalSchwartz: instead of constantly hacking rc.local
bharatak: ah - just write a perl script or two ~;)
RandalSchwartz: Perl? what's that?
bharatak: thats going to change soon - rc.d is coming
RandalSchwartz: is it like ruby?
bharatak: must be..
<br> i'll quote you on that
RandalSchwartz: heh
<br> I'll deny it all.
bharatak: i'm sad about opensolaris though
RandalSchwartz: yeah
<br> oracle - killing everything they bought in sun
<br> simon phipps and I have had long conversations about that
<br> he can't say much, since he's in the middle
<br> but off the record, it's interesting
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bharatak: i just hope the illumos guys can pull it off, but from what i can see it's near impossible
RandalSchwartz: yeah, not betting on that pony
bharatak: if they want to stay binary compatible, api compatible etc
<br> but i have to say, zfs is damn cool
<br> esp with zones and the virtual networking stuff
RandalSchwartz: running zfs as / here, on 4 boxes
Yamazaki-kun: <u>RandalSchwartz</u>: Also OpenBSD 64-bit doesn't get along with ESXi at all.
bharatak: does freebsd have the concept of boot filesystems like opensolaris? thats a killer feature
RandalSchwartz: not sure what that means
<br> you *can* set a setting in the stage2(?) boot to pick which zfs filesystem to boot from
Yamazaki-kun: bootadm
RandalSchwartz: freebsd doesn't use grub thoough
<br> it has its own stage0, 1, 2 loader
bharatak: thats what i mean, so when you do an update you snapshot root, do the updates, if it fails you can roll back by selecting the old snapshot
RandalSchwartz: and the stage 1 loader can have parameters overriden
<br> yeah, you can probably boot off a snapshot
<br> I think the zfs is flexible enough
<br> might need to clone it though
bharatak: sure
RandalSchwartz: so it's a hard fs, not just @
Yamazaki-kun: Also SMF is nice -- if you've got manifests for your daemons or time to create them.
bharatak: i may have to look at that for my home desktop
<br> yes, smf is pretty cool
Yamazaki-kun: at least the learning curve isn't up to SELinux proportions.
<br> Got to study that for RHCE, among other things.
RandalSchwartz: the fixit shell on the DVD can invoke zfs commands
<br> so you could clone after-the-fact
<br> as long as you have a snapshot
<br> then set the boot param, and finish booting
bharatak: ok
RandalSchwartz: might not be completely automatic or slick
<br> but at least doable
<br> just editing vfs.root.mountfrom="zfs:zroot"
<br> that's in my /boot/loader.conf
<br> which the second-level boot reads
<br> but you can override any of those settings
<br> actually - that's already on my zfs root
<br> sounds like chicken-n-egg :)
bharatak: someone should write a Perl script to slick-ify it
RandalSchwartz: maybe it boots using the previous fs, then reads that and boots to whatever it calls
bharatak: opensolaris has a menu list for all your rootfs, it mouns them then boots
<br> its apatched version of grub though
lucky: i'm unsure you can boot off a snapshot
<br> the fbsd bootloader + zfs is very primitive
<br> I'm not sure doing a mountfrom="zfs:tank@before-death-and-flames" would work though.
jpalmer: <u>bharatak</u>: when you submit the ticket, include your vps UUID, and your IPv6 subnet, and the NS's you want the zone delegated to.
lucky: i *could* test it, but i'm terribly lazy.
bharatak: <u>jpalmer</u>: thanks
lucky: yeah, FBSD ZFS boot is no snapshot, and only root filesystem in a pool.
jpalmer: <u>bharatak</u>: I'm active right now. if you send a delegation request now, you'd have it done in 10 mins.
bharatak: jpalmer, i have to wait for zoneedit to update their records - or maybe i did somehting wrong
<br> too tired, i'll try tomorrow = no rush
jpalmer: <u>bharatak</u>: well, one way to look at it is: right now, you have no rDNS anyway. so why wait on zoneedit to work before requesting delegation? we can get the ARP setup now, and it'll "just work" when zoneedit is setup.
bharatak: ah
<br> doh
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bharatak: i just dont know which ns# they're going to put my new zone on, i have forward zones and they each have different ns#
<br> and I may just start running bind on my vps
<br> if i have enough memory
jpalmer: gotcha. ok. no rush. just figured I'd set you up now
<br> <u>btw</u>: I have to say, I like http://dns.he.net, better than zoneedit.
bharatak: i'm thinking that also - but he.net doesnt do dydns yet, though that may be a non-issue
jpalmer: if you run bind on your vps, it can do DDNS.. and HE can slave the zone.
bharatak: that's my thinking - but brain is failing
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jpalmer: ok, get some sleep! generally speaking, I'll work any DNS requests within 8-10 hours.
lucky: anyway to do reverse DNS with afraid.org dynamic dns?
bharatak: thanks
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RandalSchwartz: afraid.org can do reverse
<br> but they are not yet v6 compat
<br> better to go with he.net
<br> which has secondaries on 5 continents
jpalmer: yea, another big plus IMO.
jdoe: afraid.org also lets other people create records in your zones unless you're paying them.
<br> ... so if you were looking at them, I'd pick zoneedit instead.
<br> free for the first 5 zones, and they'll happily slave from a master you run if you prefer.
jpalmer: he.net will do the same, but free for 50 zones
lucky: ah, i'm not terribly familiar with all this, i just get my dyndns from them.
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