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| RandalSchwartz | looks like my marketing work is paying off again | [17:09] |
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| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: did you just post to freebsd-questions? | [17:11] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah | [17:11] |
| up_the_irons | nice
I got another twitter follower out of it ;) | [17:11] |
| RandalSchwartz | I see | [17:13] |
| up_the_irons | Just read the thread. Looks like it would be helpful if I could ship a server out to the EU somewhere. | [17:14] |
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| RandalSchwartz | not sure why people care where the server is
unless it's about jurisdiction for subpoenas not like network times matter all that much any more although I'm comparing most times to what I get on a cruise ship :) | [17:32] |
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| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: EU customers may see a noticeable delay when typing in the shell over SSH
so if one does a lot of that, it gets annoying fast, and they want either an EU server or US-East-Coast server | [17:50] |
| RandalSchwartz | sure
again even ssh at 1200 ms delay, I've learned to type carefully | [17:52] |
| jpalmer | up_the_irons: My suggestion: find a data center in london, paris, or some place like that. Then, send me and my fiancee out to rack it and such around march. We'll mix honeymoon + business :P | [17:58] |
| up_the_irons | jpalmer: LOL | [18:01] |
| jpalmer | hey, can't blame a guy for trying, right? | [18:02] |
| up_the_irons | :) | [18:02] |
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| RandalSchwartz | looks like someone said arp is twice the goodies for the price in that thread
nice | [18:30] |
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| bharatak | greetings | [18:37] |
| up_the_irons | whoa cool | [18:38] |
| bharatak | anyone know how i can go about setting up rDNS for my ip6 network? the soa is ns1.arpnetworks.com. | [18:38] |
| RandalSchwartz | and now, they experience the next hurdle... sold out until jan 8. :) | [18:39] |
| up_the_irons | yep | [18:39] |
| RandalSchwartz | bharatak - email to support@
but be sure you have your delegation set up right already up_the_irons - isn't there a wiki page on that already? | [18:39] |
| bharatak | uh cool - but how?
i know the aaaa is right | [18:39] |
| RandalSchwartz | bharatak - ever set up named masters before?
presuming you're using bind? | [18:40] |
| bharatak | yes, but not using bind right now | [18:40] |
| RandalSchwartz | you'll need to be
and you'll probably want to select a secondary as well or you can use your own DNS server software bind is what I'm using | [18:40] |
| bharatak | i use a 3rd party for my dns, zoneedit - i already setup the in6.arpa but its not the soa | [18:41] |
| RandalSchwartz | ahh - then you just need a delegation
email support@ generally fixed in 24-48 hours | [18:41] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: don't think there is a wiki page for rdns delegations, just ipv6 setup w/ routing over link-local | [18:41] |
| bharatak | and tell them my ns servers? | [18:41] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah | [18:41] |
| bharatak | cool, thanks | [18:41] |
| RandalSchwartz | they'll set up the NS subdomain
RandalSchwartz says "they" as if up_the_irons is not in channel | [18:41] |
| bharatak | bharatak is getting strangly into the he.net certification | [18:42] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah - I did that and completed it | [18:42] |
| bharatak | but - hey i'm ready for ip4 to die | [18:42] |
| RandalSchwartz | I moved my secondary to he.net to fix most of it
so now my secondary for my forward and reverse are both on he.net | [18:42] |
| bharatak | i may do that as well, but i have one host on a dynamic address
and you run the primary? | [18:43] |
| RandalSchwartz | ... http://ipv6.he.net/certification/scoresheet.php?pass_name=merlyn
yes - I run the primary locally | [18:43] |
| bharatak | i'm just running out of memory - and i'm too cheap to buy more | [18:43] |
| RandalSchwartz | I decided to stop at 1024 | [18:44] |
| bharatak | bharatak bows to the sage ;) | [18:44] |
| RandalSchwartz | to get 1500, you just have to write a script and let it run for a year
I figured that was stupid | [18:44] |
| bharatak | but did you get the t-shirt? | [18:44] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah!
hell yeah | [18:44] |
| bharatak | thats all that counts then | [18:44] |
| RandalSchwartz | indeed, what geeks will do for "free" clothing
the fun part was incoming mail on ipv6 my first v6 mail, I did a happy dance :) | [18:45] |
| bharatak | i've yet to see that | [18:46] |
| RandalSchwartz | it's one of the higher levels | [18:46] |
| bharatak | ah- - i got one email from he.net | [18:47] |
| RandalSchwartz | my first v6 mail was followed immediately by my first v6 spam | [18:47] |
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| RandalSchwartz | spammers. pure evil.
almost as evil as svn | [18:48] |
| bharatak | damn, i think i have to wait for zoneedit to assign me to a ns
git it | [18:48] |
| RandalSchwartz | I like Linus on that. "You can't say SVN is a better CVS, because CVS sucks so much it's impossible to improve" :) | [18:49] |
| bharatak | bharatak is starting to think about firing up bind | [18:51] |
| RandalSchwartz | pretty simple if you're running freebsd
echo named_enable=YES >>/etc/rc.conf and edit /etc/namedb/named.conf to have your master file ... zone "0.8.0.3.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa" { ... type master; ... file "master/2607:f2f8:3080"; ... }; | [19:04] |
| bharatak | openbsd here, fairly similar
though the commands do bark if you make a typo | [19:08] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah, not as fun though
I was on openbsd for 5 years switched to freebsd last year won't ever go back | [19:09] |
| bharatak | why | [19:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | freebsd = zfs + pf + huge port collection | [19:09] |
| bharatak | the only thing i'd like is zfs | [19:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | and far easier sysadm, I think | [19:09] |
| bharatak | but i'd miss the simplicity/purity | [19:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | mostly because of rc.d setup | [19:09] |
| bharatak | i ran freebsd many moons ago | [19:10] |
| RandalSchwartz | instead of constantly hacking rc.local | [19:10] |
| bharatak | ah - just write a perl script or two ~;) | [19:10] |
| RandalSchwartz | Perl? what's that? | [19:10] |
| bharatak | thats going to change soon - rc.d is coming | [19:10] |
| RandalSchwartz | is it like ruby? | [19:10] |
| bharatak | must be..
i'll quote you on that | [19:11] |
| RandalSchwartz | heh
I'll deny it all. | [19:12] |
| bharatak | i'm sad about opensolaris though | [19:13] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah
oracle - killing everything they bought in sun simon phipps and I have had long conversations about that he can't say much, since he's in the middle but off the record, it's interesting | [19:15] |
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| bharatak | i just hope the illumos guys can pull it off, but from what i can see it's near impossible | [19:19] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah, not betting on that pony | [19:19] |
| bharatak | if they want to stay binary compatible, api compatible etc
but i have to say, zfs is damn cool esp with zones and the virtual networking stuff | [19:19] |
| RandalSchwartz | running zfs as / here, on 4 boxes | [19:20] |
| Yamazaki-kun | RandalSchwartz: Also OpenBSD 64-bit doesn't get along with ESXi at all. | [19:21] |
| bharatak | does freebsd have the concept of boot filesystems like opensolaris? thats a killer feature | [19:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | not sure what that means
you *can* set a setting in the stage2(?) boot to pick which zfs filesystem to boot from | [19:25] |
| Yamazaki-kun | bootadm | [19:26] |
| RandalSchwartz | freebsd doesn't use grub thoough
it has its own stage0, 1, 2 loader | [19:27] |
| bharatak | thats what i mean, so when you do an update you snapshot root, do the updates, if it fails you can roll back by selecting the old snapshot | [19:27] |
| RandalSchwartz | and the stage 1 loader can have parameters overriden
yeah, you can probably boot off a snapshot I think the zfs is flexible enough might need to clone it though | [19:27] |
| bharatak | sure | [19:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | so it's a hard fs, not just @ | [19:28] |
| Yamazaki-kun | Also SMF is nice -- if you've got manifests for your daemons or time to create them. | [19:28] |
| bharatak | i may have to look at that for my home desktop
yes, smf is pretty cool | [19:28] |
| Yamazaki-kun | at least the learning curve isn't up to SELinux proportions.
Got to study that for RHCE, among other things. | [19:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | the fixit shell on the DVD can invoke zfs commands
so you could clone after-the-fact as long as you have a snapshot then set the boot param, and finish booting | [19:28] |
| bharatak | ok | [19:30] |
| RandalSchwartz | might not be completely automatic or slick
but at least doable just editing vfs.root.mountfrom="zfs:zroot" that's in my /boot/loader.conf which the second-level boot reads but you can override any of those settings actually - that's already on my zfs root sounds like chicken-n-egg :) | [19:33] |
| bharatak | someone should write a Perl script to slick-ify it | [19:35] |
| RandalSchwartz | maybe it boots using the previous fs, then reads that and boots to whatever it calls | [19:35] |
| bharatak | opensolaris has a menu list for all your rootfs, it mouns them then boots
its apatched version of grub though | [19:38] |
| lucky | i'm unsure you can boot off a snapshot
the fbsd bootloader + zfs is very primitive I'm not sure doing a mountfrom="zfs:tank@before-death-and-flames" would work though. | [19:47] |
| jpalmer | bharatak: when you submit the ticket, include your vps UUID, and your IPv6 subnet, and the NS's you want the zone delegated to. | [19:49] |
| lucky | i *could* test it, but i'm terribly lazy. | [19:49] |
| bharatak | jpalmer: thanks | [19:50] |
| lucky | yeah, FBSD ZFS boot is no snapshot, and only root filesystem in a pool. | [19:51] |
| jpalmer | bharatak: I'm active right now. if you send a delegation request now, you'd have it done in 10 mins. | [19:51] |
| bharatak | jpalmer, i have to wait for zoneedit to update their records - or maybe i did somehting wrong
too tired, i'll try tomorrow = no rush | [19:51] |
| jpalmer | bharatak: well, one way to look at it is: right now, you have no rDNS anyway. so why wait on zoneedit to work before requesting delegation? we can get the ARP setup now, and it'll "just work" when zoneedit is setup. | [19:52] |
| bharatak | ah
doh | [19:53] |
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| bharatak | i just dont know which ns# they're going to put my new zone on, i have forward zones and they each have different ns#
and I may just start running bind on my vps if i have enough memory | [19:55] |
| jpalmer | gotcha. ok. no rush. just figured I'd set you up now
btw: I have to say, I like http://dns.he.net, better than zoneedit. | [19:56] |
| bharatak | i'm thinking that also - but he.net doesnt do dydns yet, though that may be a non-issue | [19:58] |
| jpalmer | if you run bind on your vps, it can do DDNS.. and HE can slave the zone. | [20:00] |
| bharatak | that's my thinking - but brain is failing
bharatak gotta sleep | [20:01] |
| jpalmer | ok, get some sleep! generally speaking, I'll work any DNS requests within 8-10 hours. | [20:01] |
| lucky | anyway to do reverse DNS with afraid.org dynamic dns? | [20:02] |
| bharatak | thanks | [20:03] |
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| RandalSchwartz | afraid.org can do reverse
but they are not yet v6 compat better to go with he.net which has secondaries on 5 continents | [20:20] |
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| jpalmer | yea, another big plus IMO. | [20:45] |
| jdoe | afraid.org also lets other people create records in your zones unless you're paying them.
... so if you were looking at them, I'd pick zoneedit instead. free for the first 5 zones, and they'll happily slave from a master you run if you prefer. | [20:48] |
| jpalmer | he.net will do the same, but free for 50 zones | [20:51] |
| lucky | ah, i'm not terribly familiar with all this, i just get my dyndns from them. | [20:56] |
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