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G: :P
whitefang: yeah, that is pretty much Don't be Stupid(tm)
<br> and compared to Blizzards EULAs its extremely light reading and I can't detect having to give up rights to my soul anywhere.
fink: i don't agree with the part where we don't get tshirts
jpalmer: wait, tshirts? I'm in!
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whitefang: there's no mention of t-shirts so I guess we don't get t-shirts
<br> I would have to not agree about that as well
<br> I also don't agree about the part of having to wait until the 7th to sign up :(
jpalmer: <u>whitefang</u>: you can do HE.net's IPv6 certification for a tshirt
whitefang: orly?
jpalmer: http://ipv6.he.net/certification, once you reach "Sage" level, you can request the shirt.
-: G hasn't got mine yet
whitefang: does it cost money?
G: <u>whitefang</u>: nope
jpalmer: free
whitefang: oh I'm retarded
<br> it says free right there
<br> damn, a free t-shirt.
jpalmer: ok, bedtime. good luck!
up_the_irons: g'night!
G: gosh it's only midnight there?
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-: up_the_irons is almost done with the server
RandalSchwartz: cool
<br> went to a party for oversee.net tonight
<br> at Beso
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jdoe: <u>jpalmer</u>: if you're outside the US it may not show up.
<br> <u>jpalmer</u>: mine never did :(
<br> in fairness, the shirt is just... just stunningly ugly.
G: <u>jdoe</u>: argh, guess I'll give up hope on getting one then
<br> <u>RandalSchwartz</u>: hmmm domain name sellers eh?
<br> maybe I should transfer a couple of my domains and try to sell them
jdoe: <u>G</u>: well, never say never, but it's been months. Mine might have gotten lost, I suppose ;)
G: I will say one thing about the HE guys though
<br> I'm forced to use their tunnels atm, both in NZ and my current VPS' (hopefully can reduce it to two tunnels if I like ARP :)), my LA tunnel to NZ broke quite badly, the /48 was un-routable etc, so I collected a heap of traceroutes etc, e-mailed them and it was fixed in 6 minutes, so they mightn't be able to work t-shirt distribution very well, but they know their networks :)
whitefang: <u>up_the_irons</u>: is the server you're working on the one that's gonna host my VPS on Dec.7?
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whitefang: I want to move my minecraft server off of my home connection so I can start downloading stuff without my friends getting upset ^_^
G: <u>whitefang</u>: always a good plan ;)
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G: <u>whitefang</u>: for all we know he could have gone to sleep, it is late over there, do what I just did and e-mail it in as a preorder :)
whitefang: yeah, I'm not sure me emails are reaching them :/
<br> my MTA was reporting temporarily unavailable...
<br> so I sent it from gmail, no bounceback but who knows
<br> I may have spammed them like 5 times ^_^
G: to be fair, I didn't get an autoresponse
whitefang: I'm not too worried about an auto-response.
G: that said....
whitefang: but it just didn't look like my mail was even delivered, and since I can't check the MTA logs for my gmail account...
G: Dec 6 01:54:30 whio postfix/smtp[24308]: 2F53B145CD: to=<preorder@arpnetworks.com>, relay=mail2.arpnetworks.com[208.79.88.14]:25, delay=12, delays=0.21/0.02/11/0.03, dsn=4.0.0, status=deferred (host mail2.arpnetworks.com[208.79.88.14] said: 451 Temporary failure, please try again later. (in reply to DATA command))
whitefang: I have no idea if that got through too.
<br> yeah.
<br> ohhhhh, I wonder if they're using greylisting.
dxtr: Yes I think they are
whitefang: lmfao, so yeah, I spammed them
dxtr: greylisting <3
G: yeah, running my own mailserver is so much better than letting Google do it w/ postini
<br> Postini caused so many false-positivies & false-negatives that I nearly used my Inbox as my spam folder, and Postini as my inbox
<br> (well not quite, but you get the picture ;))
<br> Postgrey+SpamAssassin has resulted in zero false positivies that I've noticed and very few spammy e-mails getting into my inbox
<br> and they are normally borderline
<br> <u>dxtr</u>: hmmm still a 451 after 10 minutes GreyListing is normally 5 minutes
dxtr: Why do you need spamassassin?
<br> Well, greylisting doesn't return 451 either so :P
whitefang: I was running SpamAssassin and it did the trick but it was a little overkill for a personal server...
G: <u>dxtr</u>: I use spamassassin to catch the 120 or so e-amils I just trashed out of my Spam folder that have managed to get their triplet in my GreyList filter via luck etc
whitefang: and I'm limited on resources so I canned that.
<br> I have RBL works pretty good.
dxtr: <u>G</u>: I use some tight rules in Postfix
G: <u>dxtr</u>: I just use it as a forked process out of procmail instead of the whole spamd 9 yards
dxtr: Also running postgrey
G: yeah Postgrey is what I'm running here too
dxtr: And I don't get any spam whatsoever
<br> No sucky spamassassin :P
G: I don't really care about running spamassassin
<br> if it works etc then I'm not going to complain
<br> anyway, 2 AM, sleep time :)
dxtr: 14:14 here P
<br> :P
G: <u>dxtr</u>: somewhere in Central-east Europe I take it?
dxtr: <u>G</u>: North actually
<br> Sweden
G: oh Sweden
dxtr: I just woke up
<br> And it's snowing... again
G: what a sleep-in! :)
dxtr: HOw much snow can there be? :P
G: it never snows here
dxtr: Someone must be running out of snow soon
ww: postgrey + tmda ftw
G: that said I don't want any.... An Actress/Model got arrested for possession of NZ$500,000 of drugs (Meth/P) that turned out to be fake snow from a $2 shop
dxtr: Haha
<br> But this in fact real snow
<br> I can provide pictures if you want P
<br> :p
G: <u>dxtr</u>: oh know, I've got plenty of social media updates of people from my last job that are located in UK/US moaning about the snow already ;)
<br> *oh no
dxtr: Haha
ww: up here in scotland... 2ft of snow... and they don't seem to have any snow plows...
<br> i guess they just wait for spring...
G: <u>ww</u>: didn't the same thing happen last year?
dxtr: The only reason I'm complaining is because.. Well.. Taking the bike in -20 degC and 15-20cm of snow kind of sucks
ww: <u>G</u>: maybe a bit later in the year, and it melted quickly enough iirc
dxtr: Other than that I like the winters here
G: I distinctly remember the excuse that none of the UK team could arrive was "It's snowing and the council doesn't have any salt/etc to put on the road"
<br> or ploughs etc
ww: yeah, it's pretty funny (to a canadian expat)
G: <u>dxtr</u>: personally, I'd kill to have a snowy winter ;) It's so boring here.... Summer = Hot, Sunny, Windy, a little bit of rain.... Winter = Lots of rain, a bit of Sun, very 'cool', and plenty of wind
<br> :P
dxtr: :P
G: Living in a valley also doesn't help w/ the Winter cool
<br> taht said, I survived this winter pretty much in shorts + t-shirt + max 1 jersey
<br> :P
<br> I somehow have adapted to living w/ & standing the cold
dxtr: That's awesome
<br> HOw cold is "cold"?
ww: cold is when your breath forms ice on the hairs of your upper lip (for the mustachioed ones anyways)
whitefang: how many dedicated IPs do you get with an account?
dxtr: <u>whitefang</u>: one, unless you order more
<br> I think :O
<br> .p
whitefang: the "All VPS plans include:" list says "Dedicated IPs"
<br> which makes it sound like more than one.
<br> and the extas has $4 per /29 subnet...
<br> so I'm wondering if a /29 is included with all packages
dxtr: Could be
<br> I honestly have no idea
<br> I've got a /28 :P
whitefang: hella vanity hosts ;)
<br> mmmm, vanity hosts.
<br> so I'm a complete ipv6 noob, but from what I can tell an ipv6 /48 is "65,536 LAN segments"
<br> what does that mean as far as public addresses?
dxtr: 2^(128-48) addrss'
<br> address'
<br> You'll get 65536 /64s
whitefang: those arn't all public addresses though are they?
ww: <u>whitefang</u>: yup they are
<br> you can have 1208925819614629174706176 ipv6 vanity hosts
whitefang: ipv6 reversis on IRC? any time I see someone on ipv6 it looks like its just showing their ipv6 address and not a hostname.
<br> what on earth would I do with 1208925819614629174706176 vanity hosts.
ww: whitefang many people don't bother setting up their v6 reverse, but you can do it easily enough
whitefang: huh
ww: you need to have a zone set up for a.b.c.d.e....ip6.arpa and get arp to delegate your netblock's zone to you
dxtr: <u>whitefang</u>: Well, if you don't need all of the IPs don't use all of them :p
<br> It's that simple
whitefang: <u>dxtr</u>: I don't like that answer.
<br> I think a better solution is randomly generated vanity hosts ;)
dxtr: okay
whitefang: ohohoh, I know...
ww: <u>whitefang</u>: remember you can spell things with hex digits :)
whitefang: I could make ascii pictures with hostnames so when if I joined a channel 10 times I could make a pretty picture
dxtr: dead babe beef cafe
<br> o
whitefang: and it would leave a pretty picture in the banlist too :P
<br> <u>ww</u>: I'll just get do a replace on the english dictionary with a/4, e/3, i/1, l/7, ate/8, etc and random generate 60,000 hosts from there.
<br> only two more dayyyyysssss.
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RandalSchwartz: ow. post-company-party-recovery time.
dxtr: Great. Can't install tor
nesta: why not?
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dxtr: I get an error message :P
<br> Anyway, solved it
RandalSchwartz: error messages. never wanted. :)
dxtr: Trying to ssh over TOR :D
<br> And it works
<br> Surprisingly
<br> Even getting the awesome tor speed
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up_the_irons: Removed Sold Out sign (2 days ahead of schedule!), we're ready to rock!
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G: <u>up_the_irons</u>: and ordered, thanks ;)
<br> and hmmm should have whitelisted in advance too
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dxtr: How would I use a serial console if I've only got a serial port on one end? :P
ww: rs232 over esp?
dxtr: google only gives me some expensive hardware
<br> Is that it?
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G: <u>dxtr</u>: USB?
dxtr: Is there a serial-to-usb thing?
G: <u>dxtr</u>: serial to USB converter, in NZ they are like $20 (and for comparison, a Starbucks coffee is about $5)
dxtr: It's always awesome to have some comparisons
ww: esp is the great universal transport. from your mind right to the computer
G: hmmm maybe 40 bucks now...
<br> http://ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=8287666
<br> <u>dxtr</u>: http://pbtech.co.nz/index.php?item=ADPSTL12857 is a fairly compact one
<br> <u>dxtr</u>: is for something like server to a laptop or something like that?
dxtr: I'm considering buying an aALIX
<br> .. but I've only got laptops, so no serial thingy :P
G: not sure what an aALIX is, but yeah, sounds like the sorta thing you'd need
jpalmer: the USB to serial converters work fine, and ALIX boards are great.
G: oh just ALIX
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jpalmer: G, ALIX is the modern version of the old PCEngines WRAP boards
G: <u>jpalmer</u>: I tried a google, but aalix was fruitless, yeah I read up on those a while back
jpalmer: we used a bunch of WRAPs years ago. ran a WISP.. at the base of each tower, I used a WRAP setup as a squid cache.
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ww: if i had money to burn on a new laptop, i'd get http://tinyurl.com/37nkde3
<br> why am i telling you this? because it has a serial port
<br> (and you can drop it without it breaking)
up_the_irons: <u>ww</u>: Get a Keyspan USB to Serial converter. I use it on my T61 and MSI Wind and PowerBook G4 (The old days) with no problems
<br> configured many Cisco devices and headless Atom boxes with OpenBSD output to com0, with it...
ww: <u>up_the_irons</u>: dxtr was the one who wanted a serial port... in my current life i don't have much need for one...
up_the_irons: <u>dxtr</u>: ^^ :)
ww: ... but a laptop that you can happily drop and that is toddler resistant is still a big selling point :)
dxtr: <u>up_the_irons</u>: Care to send me one? :D
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vapor: sup guys
wacker: I think you can get a serial port on the Dell 6500 laptop if you use a port replicator. I used to be extremely dependent on serial ports because I use Speakup http://linux-speakup.org. Now it supports software speech synthesis, so it matters less to me now.
G: <u>up_the_irons</u>: woohoo, thanks :)
up_the_irons: <u>G</u>: no problem!
G: now to pick another native bird name for rDNS
<br> <u>up_the_irons</u>: I take it that you can delegate the rDNS for the IPv6 range correct?
up_the_irons: <u>G</u>: yup
-: jpalmer perks his ears up. did I hear an rDNS delegation request?
jpalmer: G, mind if I /msg?
G: <u>jpalmer</u>: anytime
-: wacker wonders if it's possible to order a VPS with IPv6 only. A bit early to actually do it, but a fun thought nevertheless.
jpalmer: <u>wacker</u>: you can. just order a normal VPS, and remove the IPv4 settings.
wacker: Of course, but it a nice idea for the provider to not even have to allocate a block. As I said, a bit early for that.
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G: ouch, that support system leaves ugly ^M's everywhere in the replies :)
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DDevine: Greetings.
<br> I guess I better start getting ready to do my server migration :)
<br> Goodbye crappy OpenVZ... hello full virtualisation and IPv6.
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dxtr: <u>DDevine</u>: Yeah openvz sucks bigtime
<br> <u>wacker</u>: Btw, you use that stuff? How do you cope with busy IRC channels? :P
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dxtr: I've always wondered that
DDevine: <u>dxtr</u>: OpenVZ is much better than shared hosting, but as soon as you want TUN/TAP or FUSE it is almost impossible to get the provider to tune your container.
dxtr: <u>DDevine</u>: Shared hosting and openvz sucks balls
G: <u>DDevine</u>: my view is that OpenVZ etc is about the same as shared hosting :P
dxtr: Just sayin'
<br> It isn't even true virtualization. It's just.. meh
G: as bad as each other in my book
RandalSchwartz: and you're stuck with linux, right? :)
G: <u>RandalSchwartz</u>: and without a real kernel and without any privacy from the system overlords etc etc :)
DDevine: I try to like FreeBSD but I just haven't got it yet. Might try Debian/kFreeBSD sometime.
<br> Would be nice to use Jails.
RandalSchwartz: better than being in one :)
DDevine: I found it a bit funny that CentOS wasn't one of the default distros offered.
jpalmer: eh, you can still request a CentOS image be mounted.
<br> I reinstall the OS immediately anyway. I don't care what OS they officially offe ;)
G: <u>DDevine</u>: install it thyself no need to worry about pre-installed muck etc :P
DDevine: <u>jpalmer</u>: Yeah I requested an ISO be mounted up for me.
G: that asid, I am going to play w/ FreeBSD before I request a different image, can't decide to stick w/ Debian and do a straight migration or to switch to CentOS6 when it comes out
fink: freebsd rocks
jpalmer: I'm a longtime BSD admin. trying to give redhat/centos a fair try.
<br> <u>DDevine</u>: what is your username? I'm not seeing a CentOS media change request
DDevine: <u>G</u>: Yeah I was hoping to get CentOS 6 but that looks a ways off yet. 5.5 is pretty good though.
jpalmer: err, you can /msg me the info
DDevine: <u>jpalmer</u>: I just put it in the comments with my order that probably hasn't been processed yet
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wacker: <u>dxtr</u>: If I fall behind, I just open the logfile and catch up.
dxtr: <u>wacker</u>: What logfile?
DDevine: <u>dxtr</u>: Most IRC clients keep a log of each channel
dxtr: Oh, shit, I thought we were something about something totally unrelated :P
<br> Sorry
DDevine: <u>dxtr</u>: I didn't see the start of this conversation, so I may be incorrect.
dxtr: <u>wacker</u>: That's cool
<br> No you're right
<br> <u>DDevine</u>: Thing is I was speaking to someone about falling behind in my swedish course because I thought it started tomorrow when it in fact started last week
<br> So I thought that's what he meant with "when I fall behind" :P
DDevine: I should learn Swedish too.
dxtr: I'm kind of swedish so one could say that I know it
<br> <u>DDevine</u>: Why do you wanna learn swedish, btw? :)
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dxtr: Or, why "should" you? It isn't like it's really usable
DDevine: <u>dxtr</u>: I am interested in going to Sweden, possibly on an extended stay.
<br> Second languages are also good in general
<br> I also know a few Swedes and it would be nice to not be totally ignorant.
dxtr: I meet may people on the internet who wants to go to Sweden
<br> Why is that? :D
<br> Not that I'm against it or anything. I'm just being curious
DDevine: Its just... nice.
<br> I like the whole Scandanavian area.
<br> Also, the best metal comes from there :)
dxtr: Cold and snowy during the winter, a friggin' dessert during the summer :P
<br> Metal.. eew :/
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DDevine: Where is the datacenter located?
RandalSchwartz: wilshire annex
<br> los angeles
<br> california
<br> usa
<br> earth
<br> do you need lat/lon? :)
<br> ... http://goo.gl/maps/FlyI
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up_the_irons: <u>G</u>: I've complained about the ^M's; totally stupid. Apparently their smtp mailer is on a WinShit box
G: <u>up_the_irons</u>: haha yeah, I noticed after the fact Mailer: aspNetEmail
up_the_irons: yup
G: I guess w/ the unique froms, I should whitelist their MX's
awyeah: ntime to reboot for updated kernel!
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DDevine: <u>RandalSchwartz</u>: Just the city was enough
RandalSchwartz: eh
<br> heh
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DDevine: Wow. It looks like around that place alone there is more rail and road infrastructure than in the whole of Australia put together.
RandalSchwartz: well - that's union station
<br> the big hub for the southern west coast
<br> chicago trainyards are much bigger
DDevine: We are finally getting rid of Telstra, so at least our telecommunications infrastructure is going to improve. However our roads kinda suck and our public transport is in the hands of a crappy companies intent on providing the bare minimum.
wacker: <u>DDevine</u>: did the split of Telstra's wholesale and retail divisions go through?
DDevine: <u>wacker</u>: From what I gather, yes.
<br> I haven't been paying too much attention.
wacker: excellent. BTW, if I lived in Australia, Internode would be my provider. They take IPv6 seriously!
RandalSchwartz: everyone will, soon
<br> where's that countdown clock... ipv6.he.net I think
blovett: up_the_irons, do you have any ipv6 peers other than he.net? doesn't seem like it.
RandalSchwartz: 87 days
up_the_irons: <u>blovett</u>: yeah, i have like 10
blovett: hrm.
<br> anyone that peers with cogent or level3?
DDevine: <u>wacker</u>: I am on internode.
up_the_irons: <u>blovett</u>: HE gives a full routing table, as well as Trit Networks
blovett: 'cause I can't reach a network announced by either of those.
<br> 2607:f2f8::/32 specifically
<br> err, shit
<br> sorry
<br> 2607:f790::/32
<br> wrong paste.
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wacker: <u>Ddevine</u>: are you on the ADSL IPv6 trial?
jpalmer: 87 days? seems like it was a week ago, that it was 140 days.
G: <u>jpalmer</u>: yeah, but 4 /8s were assigned
jpalmer: some lareish allocations must've happened
<br> G ahh. where do you get that info?
G: Slashdot/nanog/nznog
<br> not subscribed to the latter two, but as soon as i heard mumblings I jumped onto nznog and saw
jpalmer: I see it on arin.net
RandalSchwartz: ... https://www.arin.net/announcements/2010/20101130.html
<br> there. blogged. :)
G: <u>RandalSchwartz</u>: not official until Randal Blogs? :)
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RandalSchwartz: some would say. :)
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wacker: Neat, I just saw kvr14 grab my DVD image. for some reason, it came in over IPv4. I wonder why.
RandalSchwartz: the host machines are v4
wacker: That on has a AAAA record. Let's see if I can ping it.
<br> I can ping it. No PTR record on v6.
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whitefang: if I placed a pre-order do I also need to do a new order?
<br> ah I just went ahead and placed an order
up_the_irons: <u>whitefang</u>: yup
<br> <u>wacker</u>: nice catch, i forgot to add the ptr on v6
whitefang: hmmmm...
<br> I'm kind of thinking maybe I should have ordered more memory because I want to play with ZFS
DDevine: <u>wacker</u>: Na I'm not on IPv6. I'm going to have to use a tunnel service for testing my IPv6 stuff.
<br> <u>whitefang</u>: Get memory if you can afford it :)
up_the_irons: <u>whitefang</u>: let me know if you want me to cancel the current order, and let you place another
whitefang: do I have 15 minutes or so to decide? ^_^
up_the_irons: i'm provisioning another round of orders now
<br> <u>whitefang</u>: pm me your email and i'll put it at the bottom of the list, so you can decide :)
whitefang: <u>up_the_irons</u>: thanks :)
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up_the_irons: Official announcement: VPS accounts on old bandwidth plans can upgrade to current advertised levels for one-time fee of $20 (per VM). Email support if interested.
jpalmer: <u>up_the_irons</u>: I'll be emailing you tomorrow to upgrade my work account to the new bandwidth plan. just have to get approval, and their CC.
up_the_irons: <u>jpalmer</u>: roger
whitefang: so much bandwidth. I'm hard pressed to use much more than 2-3GB a month
up_the_irons: hehe
whitefang: we'll see how much traffic a small minecraft server creates though
<br> I can't imagine more than double that
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G: <u>up_the_irons</u>: re: Debian, I was planning on dabbling in BSD for a little longer, as far as the image goes, if you want, you can wipe it out and replace with the image as if it's a new account as long as I can also have the CD mounted as well ;)
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G: <u>up_the_irons</u>: I'll reply to the ticket as such in a moment, replying to a ML atm though
up_the_irons: ok
G: <u>up_the_irons</u>: sent & sorry again
whitefang: oh snap
<br> its already got the amd64 kernel isntalled
<br> so is it the amd64 install iso in the drive right now too?
<br> ruh roh
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up_the_irons: <u>whitefang</u>: yup
whitefang: nice
<br> does the customer portal take a while to update with the vnc and ssh details for console access?
up_the_irons: <u>whitefang</u>: you received an error due to a new bug, I just fixed it
whitefang: thanks. :) I only needed that because I was a moron and got myself locked out of my VPS within 2 minutes of first logging in
up_the_irons: haha
whitefang: any reason not to choose canada for country selection on a free install?
<br> fresh install
up_the_irons: <u>whitefang</u>: no reason
whitefang: didn't think so
<br> cdrom boot failure? ^_^
wacker: <u>DDevine</u>: If you're on ADSL and have somthing that will do PPP6 and DHCP6 you can do it.
DDevine: <u>wacker</u>: I'll have a look, I was just going to get it to my desktop though.
whitefang: weird, don't know what that was about but a full reboot fixed it
up_the_irons: <u>whitefang</u>: i've seen that before from time to time
wacker: <u>DDevine</u>: If you get stuck, I should be able to talk you through it. I can be reached on 07 3018 7505. Faktortel is not working for outgoing, but incoming should work.
-: up_the_irons is coding up an SSH key self-management system (for console.cust.arpnetworks.com)
G: <u>wacker</u>: internode?
fink: <u>up_the_irons</u>: in haskell?
up_the_irons: <u>fink</u>: ruby
G: <u>fink</u>: oh come on, gotta be ASM :)
fink: <u>up_the_irons</u>: haaaaaaa
<br> <u>up_the_irons</u>: just don't tell RandalSchwartz you're not using PERL
up_the_irons: my billing scripts are still in Perl ;)
<br> Much of the code is unchanged from 1999, when I created them, believe it or not
fink: that was last century
<br> no one was alive back then
up_the_irons: haha
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DDevine: Hey I was born in the 1990s!
G: Ruby ain't bad, but I'm a Python man myself
DDevine: Ruby is a mess. Python less so :)
G: <u>DDevine</u>: there are some horrible aspects of Python too though
DDevine: Pfft. I can put up with the faults in Python.
whitefang: can I assume my gateway will be the first IP in my block?
<br> (ipv4)
up_the_irons: <u>whitefang</u>: all IP settings are listed in the Portal (and, yes, you can)
whitefang: oh thanks, didn'
<br> didn't see that there
up_the_irons: np
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wacker: <u>G</u>: yes. I was on the phone with my friend in Melbourne right after the trial was announced about a year ago. We hacked at his Cisco 837 router until we got it working.
G: when I was in Australia Internode didn't have any equipment in my exchange
wacker: My friend used Telstra DSLAMS to get to Internode until about four months ago.
G: <u>wacker</u>: out of interest, are they using PPPoE or PPPoA?
wacker: PPPOA.
G: ooooh nice
<br> <u>wacker</u>: thanks, that'll be handy for a bit I'm blogging about IPv6 in NZ
<br> <u>wacker</u>: I'd assumed that they would be PPPoE like TPG (and so would everyone else)
wacker: Cool. Contact me if I can be of any more help. wacker@octothorp.org.
G: I was starting to think that ISPs mightn't be able to do IPv6 over PPPoA for some reason
<br> :P
wacker: Stand by. I'll call Jason to make sure.
<br> Jason says that you can use either. He uses PPPOA.
G: <u>wacker</u>: nice, thanks a lot for that
<br> I've just become much more hopeful of NZ ISPs offering IPv6 soon ;)
wacker: Do any offer it yet?
G: not yet
<br> although the ISP I'm with now are been very cloak and dagger, but if the way I'm interpreting their tweets lately it's likely it'll be 'soon'
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merky: aww i saw people talking about ipv6, but i suppose that was ages ago
G: <u>merky</u>: we were just talking about IPv6 in Australia & NZ if thats what you are refering to?
merky: <u>G</u>: yeah :)
<br> <u>g</u>: i tried to get ipv6 in nz
<br> but i'm "residential" so i can't
<br> i'm using he.net
G: ditto
merky: it's kind of cool
<br> i have like 3 /48s
<br> i don't know how many addresses it is
G: too many ;)
merky: but my current solution is that i have a static tunnel that connects my two nz connections
<br> cos otherwise it's like 300 msec latency while it goes to the US and back
<br> what NZ isp is doing ipv6 soon?
G: <u>merky</u>: I've got a feeling Orcon is about to
merky: i heard orcon were doing it to dedicated servers
<br> oh hmm
<br> yeah
<br> hmm....
<br> i'm doing he.net across orcon
<br> and snap
<br> snap can do tunnels for commercial customers
<br> i have snap at home
<br> they also said it costs a lot of money to move to a commercial connection
<br> fordsl
G: <u>merky</u>: I asked them via Twitter if they were going to Native IPv6/Tunnels to res customers, got a kinda answer that referred to http://www.3news.co.nz/Internet-running-out-of-room/tabid/412/articleID/189439/Default.aspx
merky: didn't say how much
G: <u>merky</u>: which kinda reads to me that Orcon look to be acting on it
merky: hmm
<br> it doesn't mean anthing to me :)
<br> a tunnel would be fine by me
G: well it's pretty bad Journalism imo, but yeah
merky: i might just try and get a tunnel off tem
G: <u>merky</u>: SiXXS have an NZ tunnel server too
merky: and split it up
<br> it's in wellington though
<br> i'm in christchurch
<br> it routes through auckland first
<br> i have box in auckland too though
<br> but yeah routing via wellington kind of sucks
<br> i haven't tried it yet htough
<br> i signed up at same time as he.net, and he.net give you multiple tunnels
<br> and they never responded to me asking if they can do multiple tunnels
<br> tbh, i find he.net performance not taht bad