darn guess that means I can't sell all these pills either....
:P
yeah, that is pretty much Don't be Stupid(tm)
and compared to Blizzards EULAs its extremely light reading and I can't detect having to give up rights to my soul anywhere.
i don't agree with the part where we don't get tshirts
wait,  tshirts?  I'm in!
there's no mention of t-shirts so I guess we don't get t-shirts
I would have to not agree about that as well
I also don't agree about the part of having to wait until the 7th to sign up :(
whitefang: you can do HE.net's IPv6 certification for a tshirt
orly?
http://ipv6.he.net/certification,  once you reach "Sage" level, you can request the shirt.
does it cost money?
whitefang: nope
free
oh I'm retarded
it says free right there
damn, a free t-shirt.
ok, bedtime.   good luck!
g'night!
gosh it's only midnight there?
cool
went to a party for oversee.net tonight
at Beso
jpalmer: if you're outside the US it may not show up.
jpalmer: mine never did :(
in fairness, the shirt is just... just stunningly ugly.
jdoe: argh, guess I'll give up hope on getting one then
RandalSchwartz: hmmm domain name sellers eh?
maybe I should transfer a couple of my domains and try to sell them
G: well, never say never, but it's been months. Mine might have gotten lost, I suppose ;)
I will say one thing about the HE guys though
I'm forced to use their tunnels atm, both in NZ and my current VPS' (hopefully can reduce it to two tunnels if I like ARP :)), my LA tunnel to NZ broke quite badly, the /48 was un-routable etc, so I collected a heap of traceroutes etc, e-mailed them and it was fixed in 6 minutes, so they mightn't be able to work t-shirt distribution very well, but they know their networks :)
up_the_irons: is the server you're working on the one that's gonna host my VPS on Dec.7?
I want to move my minecraft server off of my home connection so I can start downloading stuff without my friends getting upset ^_^
whitefang: always a good plan ;)
whitefang: for all we know he could have gone to sleep, it is late over there, do what I just did and e-mail it in as a preorder :)
yeah, I'm not sure me emails are reaching them :/
my MTA was reporting temporarily unavailable...
so I sent it from gmail, no bounceback but who knows
I may have spammed them like 5 times ^_^
to be fair, I didn't get an autoresponse
I'm not too worried about an auto-response.
that said....
but it just didn't look like my mail was even delivered, and since I can't check the MTA logs for my gmail account...
Dec  6 01:54:30 whio postfix/smtp[24308]: 2F53B145CD: to=<preorder@arpnetworks.com>, relay=mail2.arpnetworks.com[208.79.88.14]:25, delay=12, delays=0.21/0.02/11/0.03, dsn=4.0.0, status=deferred (host mail2.arpnetworks.com[208.79.88.14] said: 451 Temporary failure, please try again later. (in reply to DATA command))
I have no idea if that got through too.
yeah.
ohhhhh, I wonder if they're using greylisting.
Yes I think they are
lmfao, so yeah, I spammed them
greylisting <3
yeah, running my own mailserver is so much better than letting Google do it w/ postini
Postini caused so many false-positivies & false-negatives that I nearly used my Inbox as my spam folder, and Postini as my inbox
(well not quite, but you get the picture ;))
Postgrey+SpamAssassin has resulted in zero false positivies that I've noticed and very few spammy e-mails getting into my inbox
and they are normally borderline
dxtr: hmmm still a 451 after 10 minutes GreyListing is normally 5 minutes
Why do you need spamassassin?
Well, greylisting doesn't return 451 either so :P
I was running SpamAssassin and it did the trick but it was a little overkill for a personal server...
dxtr: I use spamassassin to catch the 120 or so e-amils I just trashed out of my Spam folder that have managed to get their triplet in my GreyList filter via luck etc
and I'm limited on resources so I canned that.
I have RBL works pretty good.
G: I use some tight rules in Postfix
dxtr: I just use it as a forked process out of procmail instead of the whole spamd 9 yards
Also running postgrey
yeah Postgrey is what I'm running here too
And I don't get any spam whatsoever
No sucky spamassassin :P
I don't really care about running spamassassin
if it works etc then I'm not going to complain
anyway, 2 AM, sleep time :)
14:14 here P
:P
dxtr: somewhere in Central-east Europe I take it?
G: North actually
Sweden
oh Sweden
I just woke up
And it's snowing... again
what a sleep-in! :)
HOw much snow can there be? :P
it never snows here
Someone must be running out of snow soon
postgrey + tmda ftw
that said I don't want any....  An Actress/Model got arrested for possession of NZ$500,000 of drugs (Meth/P) that turned out to be fake snow from a $2 shop
Haha
But this in fact real snow
I can provide pictures if you want P
:p
dxtr: oh know, I've got plenty of social media updates of people from my last job that are located in UK/US moaning about the snow already ;)
*oh no
Haha
up here in scotland... 2ft of snow... and they don't seem to have any snow plows...
i guess they just wait for spring...
ww: didn't the same thing happen last year?
The only reason I'm complaining is because.. Well.. Taking the bike in -20 degC and 15-20cm of snow kind of sucks
G: maybe a bit later in the year, and it melted quickly enough iirc
Other than that I like the winters here
I distinctly remember the excuse that none of the UK team could arrive was "It's snowing and the council doesn't have any salt/etc to put on the road"
or ploughs etc
yeah, it's pretty funny (to a canadian expat)
dxtr: personally, I'd kill to have a snowy winter ;)  It's so boring here.... Summer = Hot, Sunny, Windy, a little bit of rain....  Winter = Lots of rain, a bit of Sun, very 'cool', and plenty of wind
:P
:P
Living in a valley also doesn't help w/ the Winter cool
taht said, I survived this winter pretty much in shorts + t-shirt + max 1 jersey
:P
I somehow have adapted to living w/ & standing the cold
That's awesome
HOw cold is "cold"?
cold is when your breath forms ice on the hairs of your upper lip (for the mustachioed ones anyways)
how many dedicated IPs do you get with an account?
whitefang: one, unless you order more
I think :O
.p
the "All VPS plans include:" list says "Dedicated IPs"
which makes it sound like more than one.
and the extas has $4 per /29 subnet...
so I'm wondering if a /29 is included with all packages
Could be
I honestly have no idea
I've got a /28 :P
hella vanity hosts ;)
mmmm, vanity hosts.
so I'm a complete ipv6 noob, but from what I can tell an ipv6 /48 is "65,536 LAN segments"
what does that mean as far as public addresses?
2^(128-48) addrss'
address'
You'll get 65536 /64s
those arn't all public addresses though are they?
whitefang: yup they are
you can have 1208925819614629174706176 ipv6 vanity hosts
ipv6 reversis on IRC? any time I see someone on ipv6 it looks like its just showing their ipv6 address and not a hostname.
what on earth would I do with 1208925819614629174706176 vanity hosts.
whitefang many people don't bother setting up their v6 reverse, but you can do it easily enough
huh
you need to have a zone set up for a.b.c.d.e....ip6.arpa and get arp to delegate your netblock's zone to you
whitefang: Well, if you don't need all of the IPs don't use all of them :p
It's that simple
dxtr: I don't like that answer.
I think a better solution is randomly generated vanity hosts ;)
okay
ohohoh, I know...
whitefang: remember you can spell things with hex digits :)
I could make ascii pictures with hostnames so when if I joined a channel 10 times I could make a pretty picture
dead babe beef cafe
\o
and it would leave a pretty picture in the banlist too :P
ww: I'll just get do a replace on the english dictionary with a/4, e/3, i/1, l/7, ate/8, etc and random generate 60,000 hosts from there.
only two more dayyyyysssss.
ow.  post-company-party-recovery time.
Great. Can't install tor
why not?
I get an error message :P
Anyway, solved it
error messages.  never wanted. :)
Trying to ssh over TOR :D
And it works
Surprisingly
Even getting the awesome tor speed
Removed Sold Out sign (2 days ahead of schedule!), we're ready to rock!
up_the_irons: and ordered, thanks ;)
and hmmm should have whitelisted in advance too
How would I use a serial console if I've only got a serial port on one end? :P
rs232 over esp?
google only gives me some expensive hardware
Is that it?
dxtr: USB?
Is there a serial-to-usb thing?
dxtr: serial to USB converter, in NZ they are like $20 (and for comparison, a Starbucks coffee is about $5)
It's always awesome to have some comparisons
esp is the great universal transport. from your mind right to the computer
hmmm maybe 40 bucks now...
http://ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=8287666
dxtr: http://pbtech.co.nz/index.php?item=ADPSTL12857 is a fairly compact one
dxtr: is for something like server to a laptop or something like that?
I'm considering buying an aALIX
.. but I've only got laptops, so no serial thingy :P
not sure what an aALIX is, but yeah, sounds like the sorta thing you'd need
the USB to serial converters work fine,  and ALIX boards are great.
oh just ALIX
G,  ALIX is the modern version of the old PCEngines WRAP boards
jpalmer: I tried a google, but aalix was fruitless, yeah I read up on those a while back
we used a bunch of WRAPs years ago.   ran a WISP..    at the base of each tower,  I used a WRAP setup as a squid cache.
if i had money to burn on a new laptop, i'd get http://tinyurl.com/37nkde3
why am i telling you this? because it has a serial port
(and you can drop it without it breaking)
ww: Get a Keyspan USB to Serial converter.  I use it on my T61 and MSI Wind and PowerBook G4 (The old days) with no problems
configured many Cisco devices and headless Atom boxes with OpenBSD output to com0, with it...
up_the_irons: dxtr was the one who wanted a serial port... in my current life i don't have much need for one...
dxtr: ^^ :)
... but a laptop that you can happily drop and that is toddler resistant is still a big selling point :)
up_the_irons: Care to send me one? :D
sup guys
I think you can get a serial port on the Dell 6500 laptop if you use a port replicator. I used to be extremely dependent on serial ports because I use Speakup http://linux-speakup.org. Now it supports software speech synthesis, so it matters less to me now.
up_the_irons: woohoo, thanks :)
G: no problem!
now to pick another native bird name for rDNS
up_the_irons: I take it that you can delegate the rDNS for the IPv6 range correct?
G: yup
G,  mind if I /msg?
jpalmer: anytime
wacker: you can.   just order a normal VPS,  and remove the IPv4 settings.
Of course, but it a nice idea for the provider to not even have to allocate a block. As I said, a bit early for that.
ouch, that support system leaves ugly ^M's everywhere in the replies :)
Greetings.
I guess I better start getting ready to do my server migration :)
Goodbye crappy OpenVZ... hello full virtualisation and IPv6.
DDevine: Yeah openvz sucks bigtime
wacker: Btw, you use that stuff? How do you cope with busy IRC channels? :P
I've always wondered that
dxtr: OpenVZ is much better than shared hosting, but as soon as you want TUN/TAP or FUSE it is almost impossible to get the provider to tune your container.
DDevine: Shared hosting and openvz sucks balls
DDevine: my view is that OpenVZ etc is about the same as shared hosting :P
Just sayin'
It isn't even true virtualization. It's just.. meh
as bad as each other in my book
and you're stuck with linux, right? :)
RandalSchwartz: and without a real kernel and without any privacy from the system overlords etc etc :)
I try to like FreeBSD but I just haven't got it yet. Might try Debian/kFreeBSD sometime.
Would be nice to use Jails.
better than being in one :)
I found it a bit funny that CentOS wasn't one of the default distros offered.
eh,  you can still request a CentOS image be mounted.
I reinstall the OS immediately anyway. I don't care what OS they officially offe ;)
DDevine: install it thyself no need to worry about pre-installed muck etc :P
jpalmer: Yeah I requested an ISO be mounted up for me.
that asid, I am going to play w/ FreeBSD before I request a different image, can't decide to stick w/ Debian and do a straight migration or to switch to CentOS6 when it comes out
freebsd rocks
I'm a longtime BSD admin.   trying to give redhat/centos a fair try.
DDevine: what is your username?  I'm not seeing a CentOS media change request
G: Yeah I was hoping to get CentOS 6 but that looks a ways off yet. 5.5 is pretty good though.
err,  you can /msg me the info
jpalmer: I just put it in the comments with my order that probably hasn't been processed yet
dxtr: If I fall behind, I just open the logfile and catch up.
wacker: What logfile?
dxtr: Most IRC clients keep a log of each channel
Oh, shit, I thought we were something about something totally unrelated :P
Sorry
dxtr: I didn't see the start of this conversation, so  I may be incorrect.
wacker: That's cool
No you're right
DDevine: Thing is I was speaking to someone about falling behind in my swedish course because I thought it started tomorrow when it in fact started last week
So I thought that's what he meant with "when I fall behind" :P
I should learn Swedish too.
I'm kind of swedish so one could say that I know it
DDevine: Why do you wanna learn swedish, btw? :)
Or, why "should" you? It isn't like it's really usable
dxtr: I am interested in going to Sweden, possibly on an extended stay.
Second languages are also good in general
I also know a few Swedes and it would be nice to not be totally ignorant.
I meet may people on the internet who wants to go to Sweden
Why is that? :D
Not that I'm against it or anything. I'm just being curious
Its just... nice.
I like the whole Scandanavian area.
Also, the best metal comes from there :)
Cold and snowy during the winter, a friggin' dessert during the summer :P
Metal.. eew :/
Where is the datacenter located?
wilshire annex
los angeles
california
usa
earth
do you need lat/lon? :)
... http://goo.gl/maps/FlyI
G: I've complained about the ^M's; totally stupid.  Apparently their smtp mailer is on a WinShit box
up_the_irons: haha yeah, I noticed after the fact Mailer: aspNetEmail
yup
I guess w/ the unique froms, I should whitelist their MX's
ntime to reboot for updated kernel!
RandalSchwartz: Just the city was enough
eh
heh
Wow. It looks like around that place alone there is more rail and road infrastructure than in the whole of Australia put together.
well - that's union station
the big hub for the southern west coast
chicago trainyards are much bigger
We are finally getting rid of Telstra, so at least our telecommunications infrastructure is going to improve. However our roads kinda suck and our public transport is in the hands of a crappy companies intent on providing the bare minimum.
DDevine: did the split of Telstra's wholesale and retail divisions go through?
wacker: From what I gather, yes.
I haven't been paying too much attention.
excellent. BTW, if I lived in Australia, Internode would be my provider. They take IPv6 seriously!
everyone will, soon
where's that countdown clock... ipv6.he.net I think
up_the_irons, do you have any ipv6 peers other than he.net? doesn't seem like it.
87 days
blovett: yeah, i have like 10
hrm.
anyone that peers with cogent or level3?
wacker: I am on internode.
blovett: HE gives a full routing table, as well as Trit Networks
'cause I can't reach a network announced by either of those.
2607:f2f8::/32 specifically
err, shit
sorry
2607:f790::/32
wrong paste.
Ddevine: are you on the ADSL IPv6 trial?
87 days?  seems like it was a week ago,  that it was 140 days.
jpalmer: yeah, but 4 /8s were assigned
some lareish allocations must've happened
G ahh.   where do you get that info?
Slashdot/nanog/nznog
not subscribed to the latter two, but as soon as i heard mumblings I jumped onto nznog and saw
I see it on arin.net
... https://www.arin.net/announcements/2010/20101130.html
there.  blogged. :)
RandalSchwartz: not official until Randal Blogs? :)
some would say. :)
Neat, I just saw kvr14 grab my DVD image. for some reason, it came in over IPv4. I wonder why.
the host machines are v4
That on has a AAAA record. Let's see if I can ping it.
I can ping it. No PTR record on v6.
if I placed a pre-order do I also need to do a new order?
ah I just went ahead and placed an order
whitefang: yup
wacker: nice catch, i forgot to add the ptr on v6
hmmmm...
I'm kind of thinking maybe I should have ordered more memory  because I want to play with ZFS
wacker: Na I'm not on IPv6. I'm going to have to use a tunnel service for testing my IPv6 stuff.
whitefang: Get memory if you can afford it :)
whitefang: let me know if you want me to cancel the current order, and let you place another
do I have 15 minutes or so to decide? ^_^
i'm provisioning another round of orders now
whitefang: pm me your email and i'll put it at the bottom of the list, so you can decide :)
up_the_irons: thanks :)
Official announcement: VPS accounts on old bandwidth plans can upgrade to current advertised levels for one-time fee of $20 (per VM). Email support if interested.
up_the_irons: I'll be emailing you tomorrow to upgrade my work account to the new bandwidth plan.  just have to get approval, and their CC.
jpalmer: roger
so much bandwidth. I'm hard pressed to use much more than 2-3GB a month
hehe
we'll see how much traffic a small minecraft server creates though
I can't imagine more than double that
up_the_irons: re: Debian, I was planning on dabbling in BSD for a little longer, as far as the image goes, if you want, you can wipe it out and replace with the image as if it's a new account as long as I can also have the CD mounted as well ;)
up_the_irons: I'll reply to the ticket as such in a moment, replying  to a ML atm though
ok
up_the_irons: sent & sorry again
oh snap
its already got the amd64 kernel isntalled
so is it the amd64 install iso in the drive right now too?
ruh roh
whitefang: yup
nice
does the customer portal take a while to update with the vnc and ssh details for console access?
whitefang: you received an error due to a new bug, I just fixed it
thanks. :) I only needed that because I was a moron and got myself locked out of my VPS within 2 minutes of first logging in
haha
any reason not to choose canada for country selection on a free install?
fresh install
whitefang: no reason
didn't think so
cdrom boot failure? ^_^
DDevine: If you're on ADSL and have somthing that will do PPP6 and DHCP6 you can do it.
wacker: I'll have a look, I was just going to get it to my desktop though.
weird, don't know what that was about but a full reboot fixed it
whitefang: i've seen that before from time to time
DDevine: If you get stuck, I should be able to talk you through it. I can be reached on 07 3018 7505. Faktortel is not working for outgoing, but incoming should work.
wacker: internode?
up_the_irons: in haskell?
fink: ruby
fink: oh come on, gotta be ASM :)
up_the_irons: haaaaaaa
up_the_irons: just don't tell RandalSchwartz you're not using PERL
my billing scripts are still in Perl ;)
Much of the code is unchanged from 1999, when I created them, believe it or not
that was last century
no one was alive back then
haha
Hey I was born in the 1990s!
Ruby ain't bad, but I'm a Python man myself
Ruby is a mess. Python less so :)
DDevine: there are some horrible aspects of Python too though
Pfft. I can put up with the faults in Python.
can I assume my gateway will be the first IP in my block?
(ipv4)
whitefang: all IP settings are listed in the Portal (and, yes, you can)
oh thanks, didn'
didn't see that there
np
G: yes. I was on the phone with my friend in Melbourne right after the trial was announced about a year ago. We hacked at his Cisco 837 router until we got it working.
when I was in Australia Internode didn't have any equipment in my exchange
My friend used Telstra DSLAMS to get to Internode until about four months ago.
wacker: out of interest, are they using PPPoE or PPPoA?
PPPOA.
ooooh nice
wacker: thanks, that'll be handy for a bit I'm blogging about IPv6 in NZ
wacker: I'd assumed that they would be PPPoE like TPG (and so would everyone else)
Cool. Contact me if I can be of any more help. wacker@octothorp.org.
I was starting to think that ISPs mightn't be able to do IPv6 over PPPoA for some reason
:P
Stand by.  I'll call Jason to make sure.
Jason says that you can use either. He uses PPPOA.
wacker: nice, thanks a lot for that
I've just become much more hopeful of NZ ISPs offering IPv6 soon ;)
Do any offer it yet?
not yet
although the ISP I'm with now are been very cloak and dagger, but if the way I'm interpreting their tweets lately it's likely it'll be 'soon'
aww i saw people talking about ipv6, but i suppose that was ages ago
merky: we were just talking about IPv6 in Australia & NZ if thats what you are refering to?
G: yeah :)
g: i tried to get ipv6 in nz
but i'm "residential" so i can't
i'm using he.net
ditto
it's kind of cool
i have like 3 /48s
i don't know how many addresses it is
too many ;)
but my current solution is that i have a static tunnel that connects my two nz connections
cos otherwise it's like 300 msec latency while it goes to the US and back
what NZ isp is doing ipv6 soon?
merky: I've got a feeling Orcon is about to
i heard orcon were doing it to dedicated servers
oh hmm
yeah
hmm....
i'm doing he.net across orcon
and snap
snap can do tunnels for commercial customers
i have snap at home
they also said it costs a lot of money to move to a commercial connection
fordsl
merky: I asked them via Twitter if they were going to Native IPv6/Tunnels to res customers, got a kinda answer that referred to http://www.3news.co.nz/Internet-running-out-of-room/tabid/412/articleID/189439/Default.aspx
didn't say how much
merky: which kinda reads to me that Orcon look to be acting on it
hmm
it doesn't mean anthing to me :)
a tunnel would be fine by me
well it's pretty bad Journalism imo, but yeah
i might just try and get a tunnel off tem
merky: SiXXS have an NZ tunnel server too
and split it up
it's in wellington though
i'm in christchurch
it routes through auckland first
i have box in auckland too though
but yeah routing via wellington kind of sucks
i haven't tried it yet htough
i signed up at same time as he.net, and he.net give you multiple tunnels
and they never responded to me asking if they can do multiple tunnels
tbh, i find he.net performance not taht bad