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[11:24] network problems/ [11:24] ? [11:24] fink__ is now known as fink_ :) [11:24] nope [11:26] weird, my vps just went unresponsive for a minute or three, both from here and from the uk. [11:26] er... "here" = bc [11:26] only thing I was doing was untarring perl. [11:28] things look fine over here [11:30] *** fink_ has joined #arpnetworks [11:30] * jdoe shrugs. [11:30] yeah I've got nothing useful sorry, didn't think to traceroute. [11:31] *** fink has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [11:31] *** fink_ is now known as fink [11:36] *** fink_ has joined #arpnetworks [11:38] *** fink has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [11:38] *** fink_ is now known as fink [11:54] *** nakano_ is now known as nakano [12:09] *** robotarmy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [12:21] *** robotarmy has joined #arpnetworks [12:22] *** vapor has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [12:23] *** vapor has joined #arpnetworks [12:40] a question for any openbsd users... is there any tuning to be done? I'm relatively new both to obsd and kvm (so I don't pretend to know which I should be looking at) but I'm unimpressed with the performance. It's been compiling/testing perl for about 45 minutes now. [12:41] LOL [12:41] hmmm... looks like i will be needing to upgrade my storage soon [12:41] hehe [12:42] its .50 a gb a month right? [12:42] I'm not new to vpses, I know disk performance can suck, but whatever's going on here seems a little above-and-beyond, you know? [12:43] jdoe: enable soft updates: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#SoftUpdates [12:44] can I remount with that, or will I need to reboot? [12:44] jdoe: several tuning things you might want depending on what you're running, no special tuning specifically for kvm beyond 'disable mpbios' [12:45] jdoe: toddf is the man to ask about tuning :) [12:46] toddf: 99% of the time just irssi. I wasn't aware there was even an issue (things seemed pokey, but I chalked it up to latency/virtualization) until I tried compiling this. [12:47] its the soft updates [12:47] ya need em with obsd [12:47] or else everything takes years [12:47] :) [12:48] some would say your data is less safe, I'm not convinced, but be aware of what you are doing when you go beyond defaults [12:48] jdoe: you can also add "noatime" to fstab [12:49] I don't think this is an io issue. [12:49] softdeps is what I enable by default also, fwiw [12:49] vmstat shows zero io, ~30-50% cpu, and what looks like a monumental number of interrupts (but might not be) [12:49] just if you have issues try disabling it as a first stab [12:50] toddf: not super worried about them, fbsd has used softupdates as the default for quite a while. [12:51] I dunno, it's showing ~130-140k interrupts/s (presumably because perl is testing Benchmark right now, timer interrupts?) ... I don't know what's normal, but that sure sounds high. [12:52] building in kvm does take more time than outside [12:54] yeah I know. [12:54] ... 55 minutes now though, that's excessive. [12:55] (I was wrong, fyi I meant syscalls not interrupts...) [12:56] syscalls and perl regress definately make sense then [12:57] syscalls are things like 'open' 'close' 'read' 'write' etc [12:58] yeah I was just reading the vmstat man page wrong... [13:08] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [13:17] *** cubelogic has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [13:21] *** bob^^ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:23] *** cubelogic has joined #arpnetworks [13:23] *** bob^^ has joined #arpnetworks [13:52] *** schmir has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [14:00] yeah this is insane, I went to lunch and it's still going. [14:07] a customer is forcing me to not use any dynamic SQL, only stored procedures for this huge complex report [14:07] i think im going to jump off a bridge [14:46] * jpalmer is trying to implement 802.1x on a wireless network. havin never done it before. [14:59] I've only half-done it myself, but I don't think it's difficult... [15:01] well, it's the iPhone side of things that I'm not certain of. I mean, setting up radius, and configuring a switch or AP to use it is pretty trivial. [15:07] *** vapor has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [15:08] I would imagine you just give the iphone the appropriate credentials. [15:08] and that's the end of it. [15:08] though I never got that far (and wasn't going to use it with an iphone anyway) [15:09] *** vapor has joined #arpnetworks [16:42] *** G has joined #arpnetworks [17:05] p [17:05] p [17:05] p: not found [17:39] lol [17:46] RandalSchwartz: you got on VUC a lot? [18:11] *** robotarmy has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [18:56] What sorta uptime do the VPS' typically get? [18:59] i wonder who has the highest uptime here [18:59] G, uptime is a poor indicator of quality. in fact, its a poor indicator of anything meaningful. what do you *really* want to know? [19:00] my first server: [19:00] $ w [19:00] 19:43:12 up 463 days, 15:59, 3 users, load average: 1.17, 1.04, 1.11 [19:00] cd $home [19:01] jpalmer: people that manage to keep their servers up for ages tend to be a good source for stability indicators, I don't normally ask about uptime, and I agree, but yeah [19:02] up_the_irons: thanks for that [19:02] *** cubelogic has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [19:02] G, my VPS has been rock solid, aside from a bad piece of software I installed (memory leak, locked it up a couple times before I found the issue) [19:03] I like the fact that it's KVM too [19:03] (but you can't blame the provider when installing poor software.. hehe) [19:03] jpalmer: I normally measure the decency of machine stability by time since last unexpected shutdown :) [19:04] G: I restart for freebsd updates [19:04] sure, but machine stability and provider stability aren't quite the same thing. [19:05] the provider can be SOLID as hell.. but if your particular setup/configuration is running you out of resources.. it can be pretty unstable. it's important to not confuse the two. [19:05] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [19:35] up_the_irons: "cd $home"? [19:35] up_the_irons: "cd" ;) [19:36] though if that's one of those muscle memory things, I *totally* understand. [19:36] I still catch myself doing cat | grep occasionally... [19:37] jdoe: oh that one I do a lot :P [19:37] in fact once or twice I've down cat | less [19:37] :P [19:37] ouch [20:50] *** cubelogic has joined #arpnetworks [20:55] *** cubelogic has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [21:19] *** nuke- has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [21:20] *** nuke has joined #arpnetworks [21:20] *** nuke is now known as Guest24996 [21:22] The Unix Programming Environment actually mentions that " mike-burns: sounds about right to be [21:26] *me [21:26] mike-burns: I keep forgetting about using < foo [21:52] mike-burns: it's also less intuitive ... we write left to right, [task1] -> [task2] is more natural than [task1] <- [task2] [21:52] er [21:52] [task2] <- [task1] [21:52] haha [21:58] up_the_irons: you wouldn't happen to be blocking port 514 on our ubuntu vm would you? :P [21:58] can't figure out why my remote logging no longer works [22:58] *** baklava has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:59] *** baklava has joined #arpnetworks [23:10] *** nakano is now known as nakano_