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| jdoe | ... well that was odd.
network problems/ ? | [11:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | fink__ is now known as fink_ :) | [11:24] |
| up_the_irons | nope | [11:24] |
| jdoe | weird, my vps just went unresponsive for a minute or three, both from here and from the uk.
er... "here" = bc only thing I was doing was untarring perl. | [11:26] |
| up_the_irons | things look fine over here | [11:28] |
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| jdoe | jdoe shrugs.
yeah I've got nothing useful sorry, didn't think to traceroute. | [11:30] |
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| jdoe | a question for any openbsd users... is there any tuning to be done? I'm relatively new both to obsd and kvm (so I don't pretend to know which I should be looking at) but I'm unimpressed with the performance. It's been compiling/testing perl for about 45 minutes now. | [12:40] |
| up_the_irons | LOL | [12:41] |
| vcs | hmmm... looks like i will be needing to upgrade my storage soon
hehe its .50 a gb a month right? | [12:41] |
| jdoe | I'm not new to vpses, I know disk performance can suck, but whatever's going on here seems a little above-and-beyond, you know? | [12:42] |
| up_the_irons | jdoe: enable soft updates: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#SoftUpdates | [12:43] |
| jdoe | can I remount with that, or will I need to reboot? | [12:44] |
| toddf | jdoe: several tuning things you might want depending on what you're running, no special tuning specifically for kvm beyond 'disable mpbios' | [12:44] |
| up_the_irons | jdoe: toddf is the man to ask about tuning :) | [12:45] |
| jdoe | toddf: 99% of the time just irssi. I wasn't aware there was even an issue (things seemed pokey, but I chalked it up to latency/virtualization) until I tried compiling this. | [12:46] |
| nesta | its the soft updates
ya need em with obsd or else everything takes years :) | [12:47] |
| toddf | some would say your data is less safe, I'm not convinced, but be aware of what you are doing when you go beyond defaults | [12:48] |
| up_the_irons | jdoe: you can also add "noatime" to fstab | [12:48] |
| jdoe | I don't think this is an io issue. | [12:49] |
| toddf | softdeps is what I enable by default also, fwiw | [12:49] |
| jdoe | vmstat shows zero io, ~30-50% cpu, and what looks like a monumental number of interrupts (but might not be) | [12:49] |
| toddf | just if you have issues try disabling it as a first stab | [12:49] |
| jdoe | toddf: not super worried about them, fbsd has used softupdates as the default for quite a while.
I dunno, it's showing ~130-140k interrupts/s (presumably because perl is testing Benchmark right now, timer interrupts?) ... I don't know what's normal, but that sure sounds high. | [12:50] |
| toddf | building in kvm does take more time than outside | [12:52] |
| jdoe | yeah I know.
... 55 minutes now though, that's excessive. (I was wrong, fyi I meant syscalls not interrupts...) | [12:54] |
| toddf | syscalls and perl regress definately make sense then
syscalls are things like 'open' 'close' 'read' 'write' etc | [12:56] |
| jdoe | yeah I was just reading the vmstat man page wrong... | [12:58] |
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| jdoe | yeah this is insane, I went to lunch and it's still going. | [14:00] |
| vcs | a customer is forcing me to not use any dynamic SQL, only stored procedures for this huge complex report
i think im going to jump off a bridge | [14:07] |
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| jpalmer | jpalmer is trying to implement 802.1x on a wireless network. havin never done it before. | [14:46] |
| jdoe | I've only half-done it myself, but I don't think it's difficult... | [14:59] |
| jpalmer | well, it's the iPhone side of things that I'm not certain of. I mean, setting up radius, and configuring a switch or AP to use it is pretty trivial. | [15:01] |
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| jdoe | I would imagine you just give the iphone the appropriate credentials.
and that's the end of it. though I never got that far (and wasn't going to use it with an iphone anyway) | [15:08] |
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| jdoe | lol | [17:39] |
| fink | RandalSchwartz: you got on VUC a lot? | [17:46] |
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| G | What sorta uptime do the VPS' typically get? | [18:56] |
| up_the_irons | i wonder who has the highest uptime here | [18:59] |
| jpalmer | G, uptime is a poor indicator of quality. in fact, its a poor indicator of anything meaningful. what do you *really* want to know? | [18:59] |
| up_the_irons | my first server:
$ w 19:43:12 up 463 days, 15:59, 3 users, load average: 1.17, 1.04, 1.11 cd $home | [19:00] |
| G | jpalmer: people that manage to keep their servers up for ages tend to be a good source for stability indicators, I don't normally ask about uptime, and I agree, but yeah
up_the_irons: thanks for that | [19:01] |
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| jpalmer | G, my VPS has been rock solid, aside from a bad piece of software I installed (memory leak, locked it up a couple times before I found the issue) | [19:02] |
| G | I like the fact that it's KVM too | [19:03] |
| jpalmer | (but you can't blame the provider when installing poor software.. hehe) | [19:03] |
| G | jpalmer: I normally measure the decency of machine stability by time since last unexpected shutdown :) | [19:03] |
| fink | G: I restart for freebsd updates | [19:04] |
| jpalmer | sure, but machine stability and provider stability aren't quite the same thing.
the provider can be SOLID as hell.. but if your particular setup/configuration is running you out of resources.. it can be pretty unstable. it's important to not confuse the two. | [19:04] |
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| jdoe | up_the_irons: "cd $home"?
up_the_irons: "cd" ;) though if that's one of those muscle memory things, I *totally* understand. I still catch myself doing cat | grep occasionally... | [19:35] |
| G | jdoe: oh that one I do a lot :P
in fact once or twice I've down cat | less :P | [19:37] |
| jdoe | ouch | [19:37] |
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| mike-burns | The Unix Programming Environment actually mentions that "<foo" is used less than "cat foo|", simply because pipes are so much more general. | [21:22] |
| G | mike-burns: sounds about right to be
*me mike-burns: I keep forgetting about using < foo | [21:26] |
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| jdoe | mike-burns: it's also less intuitive ... we write left to right, [task1] -> [task2] is more natural than [task1] <- [task2]
er [task2] <- [task1] haha | [21:52] |
| amdprophet | up_the_irons: you wouldn't happen to be blocking port 514 on our ubuntu vm would you? :P
can't figure out why my remote logging no longer works | [21:58] |
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