[00:37] amdprophet: my favorite way to fuck with people of that sort was to crank dns ttls down, connect to irc, then after I was on change my host to resolve to somewhere in the dude's upstream. [00:37] ... then taunt them. [00:37] rofl [00:38] yeah, it was pretty funny. [00:47] *** Ehtyar has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [00:47] *** Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [01:16] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [01:39] *** LT has joined #arpnetworks [02:47] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [02:48] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [04:01] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [04:17] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [05:12] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [05:16] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [05:56] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [06:16] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [06:28] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [06:44] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [07:43] *** cubelogic has joined #arpnetworks [07:47] *** cubelogic has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [07:54] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [08:01] *** robotarmy has joined #arpnetworks [08:02] ahhh ipv6 has been pretty stable these past few days [08:03] amdprophet lol [08:03] how long did you DoS him and how much bandwith [08:13] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [08:28] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [08:39] vcs: not sure how long, I started it and then couldn't get back into SSH [08:39] lol [08:39] woops [08:39] yeah, thats usually a bad sign that things are about to go very wrong for you [08:40] yup lol [08:40] a small ping flood is one thing [08:40] maxing out your connection... well [08:40] you are asking for trouble [08:40] I was young and very stupid [08:42] time to release my first android app on the marketplace [08:53] Yeay! [08:54] What's it called? [08:57] it's called "my first android app" [08:57] it pops up a "hello world" box :) [09:05] Hey the default Eclipse project does that. :p [09:20] RandalSchwartz: in perl? [09:22] *** LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [10:15] *** cubelogic has joined #arpnetworks [10:21] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [10:32] Heh. perl on Android. [10:32] mike-burns: was saying he wished Android were more Linux like. I bet he wants to write perl on Android ... [10:32] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [10:34] speaking of android [10:34] just released my first android app as a public beta [10:34] like an hour ago [10:35] I think it may be time to sleep soon [10:35] mhoran: There's Python on Android [10:35] Indeed. [10:35] google breathes python though. [10:35] I think there's perl too actually [10:35] Yeah, but ASE isn't native, and you have nowhere near the integration you get by writing Java. [10:36] Even apps written using the NDK (C, C++) don't have integration like Java. [10:36] So you're stuck using Java. [10:36] Right [10:36] N900! [10:36] Nice try, Nokia [10:36] Maemo was cool like 6 years ago. [10:37] I'm buying the palm pre 2... any haters? [10:37] mhoran: Actually why is maemo so bad? [10:38] Because nobody is developing for it. [10:38] And nobody will. [10:38] I am :D [10:38] Nokie lost their chance to penetrate the US market. [10:38] Therefore they'll never succeed. [10:38] Android took what little marketshare they had and then took the rest from Apple. [10:38] Hehe.. You said penetrate :) [10:38] ;) [10:41] how is maemo / n900 doing in europe? [10:43] *** schmir has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [10:44] Not at all I think [10:44] I've never seen an n900 - or even heard of it - outside the interwebs [10:50] damn :( [10:50] looked like a pretty nice phone [11:02] not an iphone though :) [11:03] I thought that's what he just said. [11:30] nesta :) [11:31] Hmm.. It's -10 degC outside [11:31] That's kind of cold [11:31] SUre is. [11:31] It's 8 here, which is rather nice. [11:32] i go to work with a jacket and beanie now [11:32] the AC here is broken [11:33] but its fine, its a pleasent 76 in the office [11:33] up_the_irons: I go to work on my bike with two pair of socks, two pair of pants, three shirts and a jacket [11:33] Gloves and something on my head :P [11:33] dxtr: LOL [11:34] Sometimes it's -15 degC in the morning :P [11:34] It's even cold for a viking [11:34] haha [11:35] Biking in snow <3 [11:35] Biking in snow and sidewinds is even better [11:44] Uhm, why is clang better than gcc? [11:44] Does it optimize better? [11:47] The license. [11:47] Well, the license didn't seem to bother anyone for like 20 years so I guess it works :P [11:51] it was a lesser-of-two-evils thing. [11:51] "stupidly licensed compiler" vs "no compiler at all" [11:53] mike-burns: does clang compiled down to llvm or something? [11:53] Am I stupid for not caring to license the few things I make? :P [11:54] I mean, I don't care wtf people do with it [11:54] That's my understanding of it, up_the_irons . [11:54] ok [11:54] dxtr: Not stupid; licensing is a personal choice. [11:54] mike-burns: I guess [11:55] You are opening it up for someone to legally take your work and claim it's their own. [11:55] And frankly I don't care if someone does that :P [11:56] I don't even take credit for stuff *I* make [11:56] So I guess it's good if someone takes credit for it :P [11:57] My latest project btw have exploded in popularity. [11:57] I'm estimating that there are up to two users, including me [11:59] Like I said, it's for you to decide. If you're fine with that then that's the right license for you. [12:00] I'm considering that beer license though. Or the "Do what the fuck you want" license [12:00] Can my stuff be considered FOSS then? [12:01] sounds like you want the BSD style licenses [12:01] But it's so long and tedious [12:01] Too much mumbo jumbo in it noone understands anyway [12:02] that's besides the point [12:02] I want a simple license that kindergarden kids can read and understand that they can do wtf they want with this piece of software and code :p [12:03] Not sure if it can be done with today's legalese requirements. [12:03] It's not that you have to read ALL of it when looking on what to do, just understand the basic requirements [12:03] (imho) [12:04] Actually today they are working to make legal texts simpler to read [12:04] The BSD license is rather short. [12:04] Mainly because not even those who reads the legal texts understands them anymore [12:04] So it should be possible [12:04] http://www.debian.org/misc/bsd.license - for reference. [12:05] tooth: Also, I'm assuming we're not in the same jurisdiction :) [12:05] 1. Keep the copyright; 2. Keep the copyright; 3. Don't use my name. No warrenty. [12:06] mike-burns: To restrictive [12:06] Too* [12:06] :) [12:07] Possibly! [12:08] mike-burns: still can't spell warranty after all these years of pasting the BSD license. [12:08] holy! channel was busy.. for a second, I thought I'd flipped to the wrong screen. [12:08] mhoran: Sure can't! [12:08] perhaps I need to brush up on the licenses. [12:08] jpalmer: whut? this channel is often busy ;) [12:09] somewhat, but I rarely see pages and pages of scrollback. it was refreshing [12:10] ah [12:20] possibly simpler than BSD licenses: http://opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php [12:30] cubelogic: That's awesome [12:31] That's ... the same thing. [12:32] Slightly shorter :P [12:33] It has a less controversial history AFAIK -- BSD v 1 (now obsolete) was heavily criticized at one point [12:35] so in my head it's kinda simpler. I do admire the BSD for all the great software that came out of it though [12:43] FML [12:44] I'll have to redo this :( [12:44] At least I don't have to use threads like I initially thought [13:01] You could use Artistic 2.0 if you like the BSD license. [13:01] the only restriction is that modified versions can't be distributed under the original name [13:01] seems fair enough [13:01] RandalSchwartz: i'm updating releng now [13:02] and artistic 2 was created by modern lawyers, knowing the foibles of other attempts in the area. [13:02] ... http://www.opensource.org/licenses/artistic-license-2.0.php [13:04] actually, it's a bit more precise than that [13:04] artistic one said "don't call it Perl if you change it" [13:04] artistic 2 requires you to specifically document the differences [13:05] or call it something different in a way that doesn't interfere with the standard version [14:22] Xen and Haskell combined: http://tinyurl.com/2vpcs2f [15:11] will the HaLVM say "sorry dave, I'm afraid I can't do that?" [15:14] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [15:31] *** schmir has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [16:49] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [16:52] *** cmeiklejohn has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [16:52] *** nakano_ is now known as nakano [16:53] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [16:59] *** cmeiklejohn has joined #arpnetworks [17:16] *** awyeah__ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [17:17] *** awyeah__ has joined #arpnetworks [17:48] dxtr: +1 "do whatever the fuck you want with it license" in fact, i use that on my website for all of my content [17:49] not legal in some jurisdictions [17:49] best to stuck with approved licenses [17:53] *** robotarmy has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [18:43] *** bob^^ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [18:47] *** bob^^ has joined #arpnetworks [19:20] *** cubelogic has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [19:36] I'm impressing the waitress at Standard Rooftop Bar with my knowledge of One Wilshire, which she sees every day but had no idea of the significance [19:39] * fink wonders why nobody's ever impressed with his knowledge of the One Ring [20:04] augh - I'm freezing [20:04] need to leave because of that [20:04] it's 52 out here! [20:04] 18 here [20:04] 18 F [20:04] ? [20:05] C [20:05] of course [20:05] feh - stupid brit measure [20:05] how much is it in normal numbers? :) [20:06] 64 [20:06] RandalSchwartz: the rest of the world uses C [20:06] lol 'normal' [20:06] hah - I'm colder [20:06] the rest of the world looks up to the dollar [20:06] so bloody ha ha [20:06] well - at least a few weeks ago they did :) [20:07] we *are* losing global dominatiojn [20:07] I understand that [20:07] :( [20:08] ok - time to shift 10 floors [20:08] then back on [20:08] RandalSchwartz: That waitress is probably just faking. She'll slip you a mickey and steal your building pass. [20:11] RandalSchwartz: she might be a north korean plant [20:11] RandalSchwartz: Perl or perl? [20:11] RandalSchwartz: it's a trap! [20:12] *** cubelogic has joined #arpnetworks [20:15] no, just a question. Wikipedia says it was "perl" until "Programming Perl", I'm wondering whether I should be capitalizing it in the middle of a non-title sentence [20:15] :P [20:19] wasn't it PERL at some point? [20:20] backronym [21:12] RandalSchwartz: If the "do whatever the fuck you want with it" license isn't legal in some jurisdictions I guess one can simply take out the license and still do whatever the fuck you want with the thing :) [21:13] Because, well, that's what the license sayd [21:13] saysÄ [21:13] * [21:18] Anyway [21:19] Off to work (It's -15 degC) [21:32] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [21:48] *** nakano is now known as nakano_ [22:42] anyone else having troubles connecting to AIM? [22:42] I think their servers are down [22:44] amdprophet, someone else I know was having the same problem - seems like I am still connecte [22:44] +d [22:45] hey guys what cpu are on the vps? [22:45] and you guys are using kvm right? [22:45] yea I believe it's kvm [22:45] and some beefy quad core xeons [22:47] model name : QEMU Virtual CPU version 0.9.1 (from /proc/cpuinfo) [22:49] cpu0 at mainbus0: (uniprocessor) [22:49] cpu0: QEMU Virtual CPU version 0.9.1, 2666.90 MHz [22:49] cpu0: FPU,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SSE3,NXE,LONG [22:49] cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache [22:49] cpu0: ITLB 255 4KB entries direct-mapped, 255 4MB entries direct-mapped [22:50] cpu0: DTLB 255 4KB entries direct-mapped, 255 4MB entries direct-mapped [22:50] from OpenBSD dmesg [22:51] vapor: just reconnected to aim [22:53] *** cubelogi_ has joined #arpnetworks [22:54] upgrading to obsd 4.8... I guess it's still affected by the setting tty flags bug [22:55] I assume these instructions are still ok? http://scie.nti.st/2009/10/4/running-openbsd-4-5-in-kvm-on-ubuntu-linux-9-04 [22:57] does kvm give you vnc/console access? [22:57] anything that involves 'disable mpbios' sounds great [22:57] it's actually a bios bug in the bios rev used by kvm [22:57] vapor: yes [22:57] probides a bogus mpbios table for single cpu setups [22:57] yes I do have vnc access [22:58] (and you're right it's not a openbsd bug :) [22:58] just wanted to make sure since that webpage refers to 4.5 [23:04] yeah, still affected by it, still fixable by that. [23:04] cool. worked :) [23:06] I forgot about that myself. [23:07] Then I rebooted it didn't start. :-\ [23:07] yeah, that's what happened to me [23:15] wow sysmerge completed smoothly