RandalSchwartz: Will I experience much performance loss if I have a 4GB and a 2GB memory stick in my macbook?
Both are DDR3 1066MHz ofcourse
Or doesn't it matter?
I could only afford one memory stick right now (Yes, I'm on a very tight budget :D)
I'm asking you because, well, you seem to know much :D
If any, ofcourse
I just buy whatever works in my mac. :)
and I'd only be googling for an answer.
I'm not your googlebot :)
might depend on which macbook too
I remember early ones had problems with "imbalanced" memory
but I don't recall that for modern ones
I didn't ask you to google it, I just thought if you knew about any issues performance-wise on top of your head :)
upgrading to openbsd 4.8
without vnc i wouldn't have this option
and if openbsd didn't write itself so i could get the bsd.rd from 4.8 through the 4.7 install cd and boot it and install over ftp i wouldn't be able to do it.
hehe
im waiting for gary to attatch the 4.8 cd to my VM :)
that is a good idea
i already loaded up 4.8 at the office
triple nic firewall/gateway with OpenVPN
its running great
one of the reasons i run openbsd is that i went to school with a bunch of the maintainers - in Edmonton,AB - bob beck taught me c
I run OpenBSD because its free, functional, and secure :)
i like that they review the code very actively.
yes
I run FreeBSD because it has ZFS on /, a huge ports collection, the PF firewall, and is *not* linux. :)
hehe
fair enough
I run the OS's I run, because they got the job done. ;)
I run the OSes I run because I know them.
I run OSes i run because i would like to know them.
I run OSes because it's good for my cardio.
lol
RandalSchwartz: does freebsd have the concept of boot-image like opensolaris does, so you can run a different snapshot of root on boot?
i've got a home server running opensolaris, but worry about the future
Shit damn it's cold
And.. Wtf is up with the routing to arp today? :(
dxtr its not just arp
my office also
lol
seems to be all kind of routing problems today for me
bharatak: you can do this with osx, kind of ;)
vcs: Weird
vcs: Where are you located?
houston texas
Norrköping, Sweden here. So can I safely blame the tates or should I blame North Korea?
states*
north korea
:)
Mkay
or china, sometimes their BGP servers get messed up
Let's nuke the fuckers
and reroute alot of subnets through them
"messed up"
he he
Gah
This is unberable :(
unberaraböe
GAH!
unbearable
Uhm, my v4 routing to arpnetworks looks awesome
2 hops. Wtf?
lol
how is that possible
Something is weird. I blame my firewall :P
Anyway, v4 works much better
vcs: Apparently I don't even pass my ISPs gateway
Straight from my router to arp :D
haha
6 to 4
A really long cable, because it's 184ms delay
i imagine hops are not shows when it is in 6 to 4
thats why its only 2 hops
It isn't 6 to 4
between you and arp?
i seriously doubt it does not go 6 to 4
I did a regular ipv4 traceroute
there is not much native ipv6 routers
ohhh
ipv4 2 hops also?
lol
traceroute6 shows the regular hops
From here in the UK, traceroutes to arp on v4 and v6 both look fine
plett: Well, I'm close to North Korea :P
closer*
Anything is possible then :)
Yeah
fink: how can you do it with osx? it doesnt have real snapshots
bharatak: zfs works on osx
fink: yeah - too bad apple killed it. I always thought apple/sun would be a nice combo
sun + apple = snapple :)
sounds like a fizzy soda drink :)
100% geek refreshment
snapple has a nice ring to it
sun + oracle = snorkle. :)
actually, sun + oracle = oracle :)
therefore, sun = 0. :)
ah the proof
RandalSchwartz: more like, snor-acle
snore-acle
sun + mysql = sun.  therefore mysql = 0 :)
we're in trouble
RandalSchwartz: or oracle = ∞
There's always postgresql, and it supports IPv6.
wacker: but not bz2…
ugh.  I didn't read that utf8 properly
what was it?
or that one
RandalSchwartz: infinity
ahh
Any staff around..?
I send support a ticket about my VPS being down around 2200 CST
yesterday, that is
Still no response :(
Nope. support@ is your best resource.
Should get back within 48 hours.
sent, rather
That's how I submitted the ticket
You could use the support console to boot/reboot/VNC your VM.
I can't get into the control panel, because I don't know the user name and password (I've never had to use it)
Ah.
I can't reset the password because the e-mail on file is on the VPS that's dead
Ha!
Bad situation feels bad :(
Sorry, can't help you there ... :/
told you to email from a gmail account
I did
and hope you have enough ways to prove it's you
But I haven't gotten any sort of response
that was only 18 hours ago, right?
Roughly
you're probably also getting slapped for not already being self-responsible
as in, why the heck didn't you have your console info?
I never had to use it, as stated previously.
no excuse
phlux: :(
things break
Sure it is.
you need to know
I've minr
it's a BAD excuse
phlux: console is important, in case something bad happens
I assumed that if there was any type of maintenance/planned downtime, I'd have received some sort of e-mail discussing the matter.
for which you deserve to get at the back of the line
tattoo'd to my inner thigh.
it's probably not a planned downtime
it's probably something broken with your VPS
as in, your side of the fault
I doubt it.
there was downtime?
i didn't notice
Nothing was being done on the server when it fell.
mine are up
as are mine
some flappage yesterday
It has been running the same services/processes since the day I got it.
but in general, things are running
still no excuse for you not to know how to console in
phlux: vnc/console are for situations like this
Still no excuse for you blaming me.
that's the first thing to learn
Bad day today, Schwartz?
phlux - I'm not blaming you.  I'm saying your behavior is ineffective and inconsistent with being reponsible here.
That's correct, and I'm not arguing that point.
so please fix your behavior
Not once did I say "No, it's ARP's fault that I don't know my console login information"
yes - but ARP will likely put you at the back of the queue to fix
You're absolutely correct that I should have that information handy.
since you're asking them for something that they already gave you
I also read that part.
typical queue is 48 hours
easy requests less
your request, probably more. :)
Hey now, we're all friends here!
Heh
mhoran: just for the record, i've never like you.
friend ... or fink? :)
;)
+d
up_the_irons is a busy guy but he'll get back to you ASAP.
Aye, I'm sure he will.
fink: Noted. ;)
it's kind of stupid when you try to playfully insult people and you can't even spell the insult properly
I just hope no one takes Schwartz's attitude as a representation of the company's.
which company?
I had also assumed that my login information was the same as the rest of my VPS providers - but I suppose I was incorrect.
Stonehenge?
phlux: he's cerberus the gatekeeper
bark is worse than his bite, etc
I'd imagine so.
bah, I have an e-mail with the sales receipt >_<
phlux: check your junk?
phlux: did your VPS ever start working?
amdprophet: It's been down since around 1800 yesterday
fink: yeah, and my deleted folders
:(
you were on kvr10 right/
To be entirely honest, I'm not sure.
should shown in your control panel
Never logged in to it, heh
you could try restarting your VPS through it
he can't access his control panel
ohhhh
he forgot to write down his credentials
great :P
and now he needs garry to do extra work to fix that.
amdprophet: yea, he's "that guy" ;)
Yes
hence - back of the line
Please don't strain yourself clicking the "Reset Password," button.
phlux: while you're waiting, we're going to tease you a bit
rofl
That's fine.
who was the guy I was talking to yesterday who was on kvr10?
Schwartz has some personal vendetta against me that I'm trying to figure out.
Nope.
I'm not even sure I've had the pleasure, if one can call it that, of meeting him before this encounter.
it's not personal
it's your behavior
It's pretty personal.
if another guy came in here tomorrow having done the same thing, I'd be ribbing them EXACTLY the same way
so it's not personal in the slightest
Because you have nothing better to do?
phlux: i think he has something against the "ph" digraph
no - because I'm hoping that people are *smarter* than that who use ARP's services
because when they aren't, *my* cost goes up
Ah, I see.
so indirectly, people like you take money out of my pocket.
Nevermind the fact that I have a career and a family to take care of - my ARP credentials should be my top priority.
I apologize.
so you see, it's very much not personal.
Actually, if you're in the US, I take a lot of money out of your pocket. Your paycheck, to be clear.
it's about not appreciating the behavior.
phlux: how do you do that??
I'm in the military. We all pay taxes, so essentially, I pay myself as well ;)
I think he robs banks
Ahh, a jarhead, wishing to kill people for a living.
Figures. :)
RandalSchwartz: he'd forget his keys at home
Yes, because I carry around weapons.
now it *is* personal. :)
rofl
I'm in the Coast Guard, you goon.
I'm no "jarhead."
you carry a gun.  you defend the coast borders.
Actually, I don't.
I'm a Pollution Investigator.
phlux: do boats have keys? i've always wondered this
you're trained to carry a gun.
My rate is Marine Science Technician.
I am not.
I'm not qualified on the pistol or the shotgun.
I have no need to be.
Because again, I don't kill people.
phlux: harpoon?
Stop there pollution! *BAM*
that's a horrible way to run a branch of the military
I respond to oil spills and chemical releases.
What am I going to need a gun for?
harpoon!
We have other people in the CG trained for that.
a spear at least?
a pointy stick?
A pocket knife, perhaps.
I want a pointy stick :<
maybe phlux's expertise is in losing important emails ;)
this ^
LOL
phlux: out of curiosity, what's on your vps?
webserver?
An e-mail server, a web server, and a private IRCd.
Mine is filled with lots of por.... websites
"oh my gawd, it's full of stars!"
LOL
phlux: OS?
mine's turtles all the way down...
I'm running 5 VPS's all with Windows, being paid by Microsoft to boost their numbers :)
my VPS should be running VMWare Server. :)
then I can resell my machine to others. :)
rofl
a VM in a VM
open up rarpnetworks.com :)
ROFL
"yes - we have reliable machines"
"just look at our provider's uptimes!"
amdprophet: now that is funny
I'd set up my own VNC-within-VNC
"we need to go deeper"
"your area is the upper left corner of this other vnc"
Inception, the server provider
V I R T U A L I Z A T I O N
arpception.com
nice
I like
"everybody gets 256MB of memory"
"and 4G of disk"
"and half an IP"
hahha
fink: I think we've actually got 4 VPS right now, FreeBSD on 3 of them, Ubuntu on the other, we mainly run websites and the ubuntu box is running LDAP & Kerberos
"we don't oversell our machines"
"(we're overselling our provider)" :)
amdprophet: interesting, why ubuntu for kerberos?
kerberos on freebsd is a scary thing atm
the ports are older than RandalSchwartz
daaaaaamn
why not just run the linux binaries on freebsd?
could
but it was easy to set up with ubuntu
we had to set it up on a separate VM anyways due to lack of memory
http://www.aelatis.com is our main site
interesting that kerberos hasn't been supplanted by something newer
amdprophet: cool site
thanks
I've been with a few server providers, ARP is the best for the money by a long shot
VPSLink blows
The Planet was great for a dedicated server but much too expensive for us
yeah
costs kept down because most people can manage their own console :)
haha
yeah ARP is great
the only thing they could improve are the ipv6 routes outside of their control :P
and that would be magical
indeed
mmmm ive been building java all day on my OpenBSD vm
java is a pain on OpenBSD
haha
s/ on OpenBSD//
true :)
Im setting up some software where i can stream all of my music from my OpenBSD vm
hook that up to my droid
all my music available from one place
vcs: did I miss the option where unlimited bandwidth was a checkbox?
:P
toddf: I have 200 gigs of transfer a month
and unlimited on verizon
I'm pushing 9G of transfer a month with only serving dns
i only have 25 gigs of music
on my vps
toddf: my VM is more for personal stuff
up_the_irons: you should release an API so we can control our VMs from our phones :p
than hard serving
amdprohet: haven't you heard? the API is called HTML
pssh
the control panel is cleanly written, if it doesn't work on your phone I'd be surprised
HTML is a lot bulkier than a native app + JSON
not to be picky... ;)
HTML runs on everything
are you sure you've looked at the control panel web page source vs a native app time + size?
i would rather have it run no matter what
than have it just here and there
from experience, native apps are a lot faster
assuming the API isn't sending much data
may be true
the phone has to render the page as well, takes time
but then you gota pick favorites
do you support all 200 phone platforms
:P
if garry wrote an API then he wouldn't have to worry about writing the mobile apps, that would be up to us
I'd make one for iOS / Android, for sure
release it as OSS too
iOS development makes me cringe
why
? *
objective C is ugly, i takes way to much code to do simple things
and development is too restricted
one time i was demoing an app to a potential customer
and my code signing certificate just expired
and it would not load up :X
yea, the code signing is complete BS
I agree with you there
:|
im not saying i like android or blackberry or winmo dev more
im just saying that it needs serious improvement
but as far as takes too much to do simple things, I find it easier to work with than java on Android, and that's saying a lot because I'm a big android fan
Palm has got it right
WebOS?
yes, android dev is nice in my opinion
especially since there is no code signing mumbo jumbo
can't stand the ADTs though
very buggy
haha, yeah
would be nice to be able to develop in languages like python
would be really nice :)
you can
oh really?
yea they just released some python packaging system
for android
amdprophet: really???
http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/
think that's it
sweet
thanks!
ahhh mobile pythong development would make me so happy
python
dammit! lol
:p
python - that's another WTF.
right there with Java
nah, python is great
i use it everyday at work\
maks my life so much easier
NASA and google use it
too bad it was designed by someone who doesn't grok objects
or closures, apparently
or scoping. :)
python is great for small projects
and data processesing
I've been looking at playing with python a bit, I'm mainly a Ruby, ObjC, and Java guy atm
too bad python doesn't have anything like the CPAN
does it have native regex yet?
ahhh you're a perl guy :p
or are those still strings with a flag?
i can write a native parser
faster than a regex
lol
regex is overrated
regex + nodejs = very fast
perl6 grammars will put regex to shame
perl6 is vaporware
:P
not at all
go download rakudo
useable already
just doesn't have the CPAN yet
i do like perl dont get me wrong
but i can code small things in python far faster
Luckily, Perl's CPAN makes things that would be bigger than small in Python just small in Perl. :)
well there are plenty of extensions for python
hunting thm down is not very hard
not as many as Perl though
and Perl's CPAN upload rate increases year over year
true, i have never not been able to find what i needd tho
more people are using Perl today than in 1999
what type of mobile phones do people carry here?
carry? *scoff* mine clips very nicely on my belt
:p
mine is in my scottevest pocket
oh man that's awesome
I need to buy me one of those now
I have about 15 items of scottevest
currently wearing a shirt, pants, and coat from SeV
sadly, the underware is out of stock :)
gahhh so expensive
expense is relative
as a frequent traveller, SeV is unmatched
just like my tombihn.com bags
nothing comes close
I've been unemployed for 2 years, I can barely afford the VPS atm :p
well - then, not for you
not that I've been looking for a job... *cough*
trying to get my own business off the ground still
hah, that's a coincidence
an ad on a site that just happens to be for SeV
yeah, they're pimping heavy now
especially with the delta controversy
ROFL
that's ridiculous
so pretty much, don't use Delta airlines
no, that's not what it's about
in fact, scott just tweeted he's flying for a week somewhere, using delta :)
but also using the new "carryon coat" that made delta mad at him :)
they won't let passengers wear SeV because it reduces baggage costs
that's balls :)
my inbox is getting filled with fanmail
feels awesome
fans?
yea
we released an iPhone app for halo players last week
hit 3,000 users today, pretty stoked
congrats
I've been getting email after email saying, "Thanks for releasing this app! It's awesome! Can't believe it's free!"
etc..
halo players have iphones and not windows phones?
thankfully :p
We've had requests for a windows phone version but more for an Android version
almost done the Android verison
windows becoming irrelevent. I likes.
all but one of my buddies are using macs or linux boxen now
I've got windows on one box for gaming / android dev, my main machines are macs though
windows for android dev. what are you smoking?
or does google smoke windows to develop for android? seems rather ludicrous considering android is linux.
i can honestly say, i've never smoked a window
LOL
I'm using windows because eclipse died on my mac
and my windows box is the beefiest machine I have
Xeon X3360 @ around 3.0 GHz, 8 GB of DDR2 1066, runs the Android emulator great :)
amdprophet: what happened to eclipse/
it's just a gray screen when I open it up now
everything disappeared
stupid java
yea :p
amdprophet: have you heard about a python OS?
I haven't, no
... I remember the days when my VM was pulling the most traffic on ARP. :)
old time customer?
Indeed.
mhoran: how can we tell?
do you have a low uid?
he's faking it, it's a conspiracy!
I'm on kvr02. I'm also an op, from the days when all the ops in this channel were also the only arp subscribers. Hence why we're ops.
mhoran: ah ok, so a low kvr # = seniority
what kvr am i on?
Well, I think unused slots get reused.
You can find out on the customer portal.
we've got a box that we're retiring on kvr04
er VM *
mhoran: cool, thanks
i guess my only claim to fame is that i got here before RandalSchwartz
kvr02 is one of the oldest KVM hosts. up_the_irons used to host on Xen, but has migrated most, if not everything, to KVM, hence kvrNN.
I've been trying to finish that sentence since two T stops before getting home, thanks T-mobile, America's least reliable 3G network.
is tmobile going to merge w/att?
Hey now, let's not start any rumors.