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[07:34] Both are DDR3 1066MHz ofcourse [07:34] Or doesn't it matter? [07:34] I could only afford one memory stick right now (Yes, I'm on a very tight budget :D) [07:34] I'm asking you because, well, you seem to know much :D [07:39] *** schmir has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [07:44] *** robotarm_ has joined #arpnetworks [07:44] If any, ofcourse [07:54] I just buy whatever works in my mac. :) [07:54] and I'd only be googling for an answer. [07:54] I'm not your googlebot :) [07:54] might depend on which macbook too [07:54] I remember early ones had problems with "imbalanced" memory [07:55] but I don't recall that for modern ones [07:56] I didn't ask you to google it, I just thought if you knew about any issues performance-wise on top of your head :) [08:06] upgrading to openbsd 4.8 [08:06] without vnc i wouldn't have this option [08:07] and if openbsd didn't write itself so i could get the bsd.rd from 4.8 through the 4.7 install cd and boot it and install over ftp i wouldn't be able to do it. [08:10] hehe [08:10] im waiting for gary to attatch the 4.8 cd to my VM :) [08:15] that is a good idea [08:16] i already loaded up 4.8 at the office [08:16] triple nic firewall/gateway with OpenVPN [08:16] its running great [08:28] one of the reasons i run openbsd is that i went to school with a bunch of the maintainers - in Edmonton,AB - bob beck taught me c [08:29] I run OpenBSD because its free, functional, and secure :) [08:32] i like that they review the code very actively. [08:32] yes [08:33] I run FreeBSD because it has ZFS on /, a huge ports collection, the PF firewall, and is *not* linux. :) [08:33] hehe [08:33] fair enough [08:33] I run the OS's I run, because they got the job done. ;) [08:35] I run the OSes I run because I know them. [08:40] I run OSes i run because i would like to know them. [08:53] I run OSes because it's good for my cardio. [08:58] lol [09:13] RandalSchwartz: does freebsd have the concept of boot-image like opensolaris does, so you can run a different snapshot of root on boot? [09:14] i've got a home server running opensolaris, but worry about the future [09:20] *** LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [09:25] *** robotarm_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [09:27] *** robotarm_ has joined #arpnetworks [09:35] Shit damn it's cold [09:43] And.. Wtf is up with the routing to arp today? :( [09:44] *** robotarm_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [09:47] dxtr its not just arp [09:47] my office also [09:47] lol [09:47] seems to be all kind of routing problems today for me [09:51] bharatak: you can do this with osx, kind of ;) [09:53] vcs: Weird [09:53] vcs: Where are you located? [09:53] houston texas [09:56] Norrköping, Sweden here. So can I safely blame the tates or should I blame North Korea? [09:56] states* [09:57] north korea [09:57] :) [09:57] Mkay [09:58] or china, sometimes their BGP servers get messed up [09:58] Let's nuke the fuckers [09:58] and reroute alot of subnets through them [09:58] "messed up" [09:58] he he [09:58] Gah [09:58] This is unberable :( [09:58] unberaraböe [09:58] GAH! [09:59] unbearable [09:59] * vcs is waiting for JDK 1.6 to build on OpenBSD [10:00] Uhm, my v4 routing to arpnetworks looks awesome [10:00] 2 hops. Wtf? [10:01] lol [10:01] how is that possible [10:01] Something is weird. I blame my firewall :P [10:01] Anyway, v4 works much better [10:02] vcs: Apparently I don't even pass my ISPs gateway [10:02] Straight from my router to arp :D [10:02] haha [10:02] 6 to 4 [10:02] A really long cable, because it's 184ms delay [10:02] i imagine hops are not shows when it is in 6 to 4 [10:02] thats why its only 2 hops [10:02] It isn't 6 to 4 [10:03] between you and arp? [10:03] i seriously doubt it does not go 6 to 4 [10:03] I did a regular ipv4 traceroute [10:03] there is not much native ipv6 routers [10:03] ohhh [10:03] ipv4 2 hops also? [10:03] lol [10:03] traceroute6 shows the regular hops [10:07] From here in the UK, traceroutes to arp on v4 and v6 both look fine [10:07] plett: Well, I'm close to North Korea :P [10:07] closer* [10:08] Anything is possible then :) [10:08] Yeah [10:08] fink: how can you do it with osx? it doesnt have real snapshots [10:17] bharatak: zfs works on osx [10:43] fink: yeah - too bad apple killed it. I always thought apple/sun would be a nice combo [11:09] *** genaro has joined #arpnetworks [11:10] *** nesta has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [11:10] *** genaro is now known as nesta [11:13] sun + apple = snapple :) [11:44] sounds like a fizzy soda drink :) [11:48] 100% geek refreshment [12:24] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [12:52] *** baklava has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:44] *** nakano_ is now known as nakano [13:53] snapple has a nice ring to it [13:54] sun + oracle = snorkle. :) [13:54] *** wacker has joined #arpnetworks [13:54] actually, sun + oracle = oracle :) [13:54] therefore, sun = 0. :) [13:54] ah the proof [13:54] RandalSchwartz: more like, snor-acle [13:54] snore-acle [13:55] sun + mysql = sun. therefore mysql = 0 :) [13:55] we're in trouble [13:55] RandalSchwartz: or oracle = ∞ [13:56] * fink wins [13:56] There's always postgresql, and it supports IPv6. [13:56] wacker: but not bz2… [13:56] ugh. I didn't read that utf8 properly [13:56] what was it? [13:57] or that one [13:57] RandalSchwartz: infinity [13:57] ahh [14:06] *** schmir has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [14:20] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [14:51] *** baklava has joined #arpnetworks [14:51] *** baklava has quit IRC (Changing host) [14:51] *** baklava has joined #arpnetworks [15:00] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [17:10] Any staff around..? [17:11] I send support a ticket about my VPS being down around 2200 CST [17:11] yesterday, that is [17:11] Still no response :( [17:11] Nope. support@ is your best resource. [17:12] Should get back within 48 hours. [17:12] sent, rather [17:12] That's how I submitted the ticket [17:13] You could use the support console to boot/reboot/VNC your VM. [17:13] I can't get into the control panel, because I don't know the user name and password (I've never had to use it) [17:13] Ah. [17:13] I can't reset the password because the e-mail on file is on the VPS that's dead [17:13] Ha! [17:13] Bad situation feels bad :( [17:14] Sorry, can't help you there ... :/ [17:14] told you to email from a gmail account [17:14] I did [17:14] and hope you have enough ways to prove it's you [17:14] But I haven't gotten any sort of response [17:14] that was only 18 hours ago, right? [17:14] Roughly [17:15] you're probably also getting slapped for not already being self-responsible [17:15] as in, why the heck didn't you have your console info? [17:15] I never had to use it, as stated previously. [17:15] no excuse [17:15] phlux: :( [17:15] things break [17:15] Sure it is. [17:15] you need to know [17:15] I've minr [17:16] it's a BAD excuse [17:16] phlux: console is important, in case something bad happens [17:16] I assumed that if there was any type of maintenance/planned downtime, I'd have received some sort of e-mail discussing the matter. [17:16] for which you deserve to get at the back of the line [17:16] tattoo'd to my inner thigh. [17:16] it's probably not a planned downtime [17:16] it's probably something broken with your VPS [17:16] as in, your side of the fault [17:16] I doubt it. [17:16] there was downtime? [17:17] i didn't notice [17:17] Nothing was being done on the server when it fell. [17:17] mine are up [17:17] as are mine [17:17] some flappage yesterday [17:17] It has been running the same services/processes since the day I got it. [17:17] but in general, things are running [17:17] still no excuse for you not to know how to console in [17:17] phlux: vnc/console are for situations like this [17:17] Still no excuse for you blaming me. [17:17] that's the first thing to learn [17:18] Bad day today, Schwartz? [17:18] phlux - I'm not blaming you. I'm saying your behavior is ineffective and inconsistent with being reponsible here. [17:18] That's correct, and I'm not arguing that point. [17:18] so please fix your behavior [17:18] Not once did I say "No, it's ARP's fault that I don't know my console login information" [17:18] yes - but ARP will likely put you at the back of the queue to fix [17:18] You're absolutely correct that I should have that information handy. [17:18] since you're asking them for something that they already gave you [17:19] I also read that part. [17:19] typical queue is 48 hours [17:19] easy requests less [17:19] your request, probably more. :) [17:19] Hey now, we're all friends here! [17:19] Heh [17:19] mhoran: just for the record, i've never like you. [17:20] friend ... or fink? :) [17:20] ;) [17:20] +d [17:20] up_the_irons is a busy guy but he'll get back to you ASAP. [17:20] Aye, I'm sure he will. [17:20] fink: Noted. ;) [17:20] it's kind of stupid when you try to playfully insult people and you can't even spell the insult properly [17:20] I just hope no one takes Schwartz's attitude as a representation of the company's. [17:21] which company? [17:21] I had also assumed that my login information was the same as the rest of my VPS providers - but I suppose I was incorrect. [17:21] Stonehenge? [17:21] phlux: he's cerberus the gatekeeper [17:21] bark is worse than his bite, etc [17:21] I'd imagine so. [17:23] bah, I have an e-mail with the sales receipt >_< [17:24] phlux: check your junk? [17:24] phlux: did your VPS ever start working? [17:24] amdprophet: It's been down since around 1800 yesterday [17:24] fink: yeah, and my deleted folders [17:24] :( [17:25] you were on kvr10 right/ [17:25] To be entirely honest, I'm not sure. [17:25] should shown in your control panel [17:26] Never logged in to it, heh [17:26] you could try restarting your VPS through it [17:27] he can't access his control panel [17:27] ohhhh [17:27] he forgot to write down his credentials [17:27] great :P [17:27] and now he needs garry to do extra work to fix that. [17:27] amdprophet: yea, he's "that guy" ;) [17:27] Yes [17:27] hence - back of the line [17:27] Please don't strain yourself clicking the "Reset Password," button. [17:27] phlux: while you're waiting, we're going to tease you a bit [17:27] rofl [17:27] That's fine. [17:28] who was the guy I was talking to yesterday who was on kvr10? [17:28] Schwartz has some personal vendetta against me that I'm trying to figure out. [17:28] Nope. [17:28] I'm not even sure I've had the pleasure, if one can call it that, of meeting him before this encounter. [17:28] it's not personal [17:28] it's your behavior [17:28] It's pretty personal. [17:28] if another guy came in here tomorrow having done the same thing, I'd be ribbing them EXACTLY the same way [17:29] so it's not personal in the slightest [17:29] Because you have nothing better to do? [17:29] phlux: i think he has something against the "ph" digraph [17:29] no - because I'm hoping that people are *smarter* than that who use ARP's services [17:29] because when they aren't, *my* cost goes up [17:29] Ah, I see. [17:29] so indirectly, people like you take money out of my pocket. [17:29] Nevermind the fact that I have a career and a family to take care of - my ARP credentials should be my top priority. [17:30] I apologize. [17:30] so you see, it's very much not personal. [17:30] Actually, if you're in the US, I take a lot of money out of your pocket. Your paycheck, to be clear. [17:30] it's about not appreciating the behavior. [17:30] phlux: how do you do that?? [17:31] I'm in the military. We all pay taxes, so essentially, I pay myself as well ;) [17:31] I think he robs banks [17:31] Ahh, a jarhead, wishing to kill people for a living. [17:31] Figures. :) [17:31] RandalSchwartz: he'd forget his keys at home [17:31] Yes, because I carry around weapons. [17:31] now it *is* personal. :) [17:31] rofl [17:31] I'm in the Coast Guard, you goon. [17:31] I'm no "jarhead." [17:31] you carry a gun. you defend the coast borders. [17:31] Actually, I don't. [17:31] I'm a Pollution Investigator. [17:31] phlux: do boats have keys? i've always wondered this [17:32] you're trained to carry a gun. [17:32] My rate is Marine Science Technician. [17:32] I am not. [17:32] I'm not qualified on the pistol or the shotgun. [17:32] I have no need to be. [17:32] Because again, I don't kill people. [17:32] phlux: harpoon? [17:32] Stop there pollution! *BAM* [17:32] that's a horrible way to run a branch of the military [17:32] I respond to oil spills and chemical releases. [17:32] What am I going to need a gun for? [17:32] harpoon! [17:32] We have other people in the CG trained for that. [17:33] a spear at least? [17:33] a pointy stick? [17:33] A pocket knife, perhaps. [17:33] I want a pointy stick :< [17:33] maybe phlux's expertise is in losing important emails ;) [17:33] this ^ [17:34] LOL [17:34] phlux: out of curiosity, what's on your vps? [17:34] webserver? [17:34] An e-mail server, a web server, and a private IRCd. [17:34] Mine is filled with lots of por.... websites [17:35] "oh my gawd, it's full of stars!" [17:35] LOL [17:35] phlux: OS? [17:36] mine's turtles all the way down... [17:36] I'm running 5 VPS's all with Windows, being paid by Microsoft to boost their numbers :) [17:36] my VPS should be running VMWare Server. :) [17:36] then I can resell my machine to others. :) [17:36] rofl [17:36] a VM in a VM [17:37] open up rarpnetworks.com :) [17:37] ROFL [17:37] "yes - we have reliable machines" [17:37] "just look at our provider's uptimes!" [17:38] amdprophet: now that is funny [17:38] I'd set up my own VNC-within-VNC [17:38] "we need to go deeper" [17:38] "your area is the upper left corner of this other vnc" [17:38] Inception, the server provider [17:38] V I R T U A L I Z A T I O N [17:38] arpception.com [17:38] nice [17:38] I like [17:39] "everybody gets 256MB of memory" [17:39] "and 4G of disk" [17:39] "and half an IP" [17:39] hahha [17:39] fink: I think we've actually got 4 VPS right now, FreeBSD on 3 of them, Ubuntu on the other, we mainly run websites and the ubuntu box is running LDAP & Kerberos [17:39] "we don't oversell our machines" [17:39] "(we're overselling our provider)" :) [17:40] amdprophet: interesting, why ubuntu for kerberos? [17:40] kerberos on freebsd is a scary thing atm [17:40] the ports are older than RandalSchwartz [17:40] daaaaaamn [17:40] why not just run the linux binaries on freebsd? [17:41] could [17:41] but it was easy to set up with ubuntu [17:41] we had to set it up on a separate VM anyways due to lack of memory [17:41] http://www.aelatis.com is our main site [17:42] interesting that kerberos hasn't been supplanted by something newer [17:42] amdprophet: cool site [17:42] thanks [17:47] I've been with a few server providers, ARP is the best for the money by a long shot [17:47] VPSLink blows [17:48] The Planet was great for a dedicated server but much too expensive for us [17:48] yeah [17:48] costs kept down because most people can manage their own console :) [17:48] haha [17:49] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [17:51] yeah ARP is great [17:51] the only thing they could improve are the ipv6 routes outside of their control :P [17:51] and that would be magical [17:51] indeed [17:51] mmmm ive been building java all day on my OpenBSD vm [17:52] java is a pain on OpenBSD [17:52] haha [17:53] s/ on OpenBSD// [17:53] true :) [17:55] Im setting up some software where i can stream all of my music from my OpenBSD vm [17:56] hook that up to my droid [17:56] all my music available from one place [17:56] vcs: did I miss the option where unlimited bandwidth was a checkbox? [17:56] :P [17:56] toddf: I have 200 gigs of transfer a month [17:56] and unlimited on verizon [17:56] I'm pushing 9G of transfer a month with only serving dns [17:56] i only have 25 gigs of music [17:56] on my vps [17:56] toddf: my VM is more for personal stuff [17:56] up_the_irons: you should release an API so we can control our VMs from our phones :p [17:57] than hard serving [17:57] amdprohet: haven't you heard? the API is called HTML [17:57] pssh [17:57] the control panel is cleanly written, if it doesn't work on your phone I'd be surprised [17:58] HTML is a lot bulkier than a native app + JSON [17:58] not to be picky... ;) [17:58] HTML runs on everything [17:58] are you sure you've looked at the control panel web page source vs a native app time + size? [17:58] i would rather have it run no matter what [17:58] than have it just here and there [17:59] from experience, native apps are a lot faster [17:59] assuming the API isn't sending much data [17:59] may be true [17:59] the phone has to render the page as well, takes time [17:59] but then you gota pick favorites [17:59] do you support all 200 phone platforms [17:59] :P [18:00] if garry wrote an API then he wouldn't have to worry about writing the mobile apps, that would be up to us [18:00] I'd make one for iOS / Android, for sure [18:00] release it as OSS too [18:00] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [18:01] iOS development makes me cringe [18:01] why [18:01] ? * [18:02] objective C is ugly, i takes way to much code to do simple things [18:02] and development is too restricted [18:02] one time i was demoing an app to a potential customer [18:02] and my code signing certificate just expired [18:02] and it would not load up :X [18:02] yea, the code signing is complete BS [18:02] I agree with you there [18:03] :| [18:03] im not saying i like android or blackberry or winmo dev more [18:03] im just saying that it needs serious improvement [18:03] but as far as takes too much to do simple things, I find it easier to work with than java on Android, and that's saying a lot because I'm a big android fan [18:03] Palm has got it right [18:03] WebOS? [18:03] yes, android dev is nice in my opinion [18:04] especially since there is no code signing mumbo jumbo [18:05] can't stand the ADTs though [18:05] very buggy [18:06] haha, yeah [18:06] would be nice to be able to develop in languages like python [18:06] would be really nice :) [18:06] you can [18:06] oh really? [18:07] yea they just released some python packaging system [18:07] for android [18:07] amdprophet: really??? [18:07] http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/ [18:07] think that's it [18:09] sweet [18:09] thanks! [18:09] ahhh mobile pythong development would make me so happy [18:10] python [18:10] dammit! lol [18:10] :p [18:17] python - that's another WTF. [18:17] right there with Java [18:17] nah, python is great [18:17]