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[FBI] has joined #arpnetworks dxtr: RandalSchwartz: Will I experience much performance loss if I have a 4GB and a 2GB memory stick in my macbook?
Both are DDR3 1066MHz ofcourse
Or doesn't it matter?
I could only afford one memory stick right now (Yes, I'm on a very tight budget :D)
I'm asking you because, well, you seem to know much :D ***: schmir has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
robotarm_ has joined #arpnetworks dxtr: If any, ofcourse RandalSchwartz: I just buy whatever works in my mac. :)
and I'd only be googling for an answer.
I'm not your googlebot :)
might depend on which macbook too
I remember early ones had problems with "imbalanced" memory
but I don't recall that for modern ones dxtr: I didn't ask you to google it, I just thought if you knew about any issues performance-wise on top of your head :) robotarm_: upgrading to openbsd 4.8
without vnc i wouldn't have this option
and if openbsd didn't write itself so i could get the bsd.rd from 4.8 through the 4.7 install cd and boot it and install over ftp i wouldn't be able to do it. vcs: hehe
im waiting for gary to attatch the 4.8 cd to my VM :) robotarm_: that is a good idea vcs: i already loaded up 4.8 at the office
triple nic firewall/gateway with OpenVPN
its running great robotarm_: one of the reasons i run openbsd is that i went to school with a bunch of the maintainers - in Edmonton,AB - bob beck taught me c vcs: I run OpenBSD because its free, functional, and secure :) robotarm_: i like that they review the code very actively. vcs: yes RandalSchwartz: I run FreeBSD because it has ZFS on /, a huge ports collection, the PF firewall, and is *not* linux. :) vcs: hehe
fair enough jpalmer: I run the OS's I run, because they got the job done. ;) mike-burns: I run the OSes I run because I know them. robotarm_: I run OSes i run because i would like to know them. fink: I run OSes because it's good for my cardio. robotarm_: lol bharatak: RandalSchwartz: does freebsd have the concept of boot-image like opensolaris does, so you can run a different snapshot of root on boot?
i've got a home server running opensolaris, but worry about the future ***: LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)
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And.. Wtf is up with the routing to arp today? :( ***: robotarm_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) vcs: dxtr its not just arp
my office also
lol
seems to be all kind of routing problems today for me fink: bharatak: you can do this with osx, kind of ;) dxtr: vcs: Weird
vcs: Where are you located? vcs: houston texas dxtr: Norrköping, Sweden here. So can I safely blame the tates or should I blame North Korea?
states* vcs: north korea
:) dxtr: Mkay vcs: or china, sometimes their BGP servers get messed up dxtr: Let's nuke the fuckers vcs: and reroute alot of subnets through them
"messed up"
he he dxtr: Gah
This is unberable :(
unberaraböe
GAH!
unbearable -: vcs is waiting for JDK 1.6 to build on OpenBSD dxtr: Uhm, my v4 routing to arpnetworks looks awesome
2 hops. Wtf? vcs: lol
how is that possible dxtr: Something is weird. I blame my firewall :P
Anyway, v4 works much better
vcs: Apparently I don't even pass my ISPs gateway
Straight from my router to arp :D vcs: haha
6 to 4 dxtr: A really long cable, because it's 184ms delay vcs: i imagine hops are not shows when it is in 6 to 4
thats why its only 2 hops dxtr: It isn't 6 to 4 vcs: between you and arp?
i seriously doubt it does not go 6 to 4 dxtr: I did a regular ipv4 traceroute vcs: there is not much native ipv6 routers
ohhh
ipv4 2 hops also?
lol dxtr: traceroute6 shows the regular hops plett: From here in the UK, traceroutes to arp on v4 and v6 both look fine dxtr: plett: Well, I'm close to North Korea :P
closer* plett: Anything is possible then :) dxtr: Yeah bharatak: fink: how can you do it with osx? it doesnt have real snapshots fink: bharatak: zfs works on osx bharatak: fink: yeah - too bad apple killed it. I always thought apple/sun would be a nice combo ***: genaro has joined #arpnetworks
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genaro is now known as nesta RandalSchwartz: sun + apple = snapple :) BarberRonny: sounds like a fizzy soda drink :) fink: 100% geek refreshment ***: schmir has joined #arpnetworks
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nakano_ is now known as nakano bharatak: snapple has a nice ring to it RandalSchwartz: sun + oracle = snorkle. :) ***: wacker has joined #arpnetworks RandalSchwartz: actually, sun + oracle = oracle :)
therefore, sun = 0. :) bharatak: ah the proof fink: RandalSchwartz: more like, snor-acle
snore-acle RandalSchwartz: sun + mysql = sun. therefore mysql = 0 :) bharatak: we're in trouble fink: RandalSchwartz: or oracle = ∞ -: fink wins wacker: There's always postgresql, and it supports IPv6. fink: wacker: but not bz2… RandalSchwartz: ugh. I didn't read that utf8 properly
what was it?
or that one fink: RandalSchwartz: infinity RandalSchwartz: ahh ***: schmir has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
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schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) phlux: Any staff around..?
I send support a ticket about my VPS being down around 2200 CST
yesterday, that is
Still no response :( mhoran: Nope. support@ is your best resource.
Should get back within 48 hours. phlux: sent, rather
That's how I submitted the ticket mhoran: You could use the support console to boot/reboot/VNC your VM. phlux: I can't get into the control panel, because I don't know the user name and password (I've never had to use it) mhoran: Ah. phlux: I can't reset the password because the e-mail on file is on the VPS that's dead mhoran: Ha! phlux: Bad situation feels bad :( mhoran: Sorry, can't help you there ... :/ RandalSchwartz: told you to email from a gmail account phlux: I did RandalSchwartz: and hope you have enough ways to prove it's you phlux: But I haven't gotten any sort of response RandalSchwartz: that was only 18 hours ago, right? phlux: Roughly RandalSchwartz: you're probably also getting slapped for not already being self-responsible
as in, why the heck didn't you have your console info? phlux: I never had to use it, as stated previously. RandalSchwartz: no excuse fink: phlux: :( RandalSchwartz: things break phlux: Sure it is. RandalSchwartz: you need to know mhoran: I've minr RandalSchwartz: it's a BAD excuse fink: phlux: console is important, in case something bad happens phlux: I assumed that if there was any type of maintenance/planned downtime, I'd have received some sort of e-mail discussing the matter. RandalSchwartz: for which you deserve to get at the back of the line mhoran: tattoo'd to my inner thigh. RandalSchwartz: it's probably not a planned downtime
it's probably something broken with your VPS
as in, your side of the fault phlux: I doubt it. fink: there was downtime?
i didn't notice phlux: Nothing was being done on the server when it fell. fink: mine are up RandalSchwartz: as are mine
some flappage yesterday phlux: It has been running the same services/processes since the day I got it. RandalSchwartz: but in general, things are running
still no excuse for you not to know how to console in fink: phlux: vnc/console are for situations like this phlux: Still no excuse for you blaming me. RandalSchwartz: that's the first thing to learn phlux: Bad day today, Schwartz? RandalSchwartz: phlux - I'm not blaming you. I'm saying your behavior is ineffective and inconsistent with being reponsible here. phlux: That's correct, and I'm not arguing that point. RandalSchwartz: so please fix your behavior phlux: Not once did I say "No, it's ARP's fault that I don't know my console login information" RandalSchwartz: yes - but ARP will likely put you at the back of the queue to fix phlux: You're absolutely correct that I should have that information handy. RandalSchwartz: since you're asking them for something that they already gave you phlux: I also read that part. RandalSchwartz: typical queue is 48 hours
easy requests less
your request, probably more. :) mhoran: Hey now, we're all friends here! phlux: Heh fink: mhoran: just for the record, i've never like you. RandalSchwartz: friend ... or fink? :) fink: ;)
+d mhoran: up_the_irons is a busy guy but he'll get back to you ASAP. phlux: Aye, I'm sure he will. mhoran: fink: Noted. ;) fink: it's kind of stupid when you try to playfully insult people and you can't even spell the insult properly phlux: I just hope no one takes Schwartz's attitude as a representation of the company's. RandalSchwartz: which company? phlux: I had also assumed that my login information was the same as the rest of my VPS providers - but I suppose I was incorrect. RandalSchwartz: Stonehenge? fink: phlux: he's cerberus the gatekeeper
bark is worse than his bite, etc phlux: I'd imagine so.
bah, I have an e-mail with the sales receipt >_< fink: phlux: check your junk? amdprophet: phlux: did your VPS ever start working? phlux: amdprophet: It's been down since around 1800 yesterday
fink: yeah, and my deleted folders amdprophet: :(
you were on kvr10 right/ phlux: To be entirely honest, I'm not sure. amdprophet: should shown in your control panel phlux: Never logged in to it, heh amdprophet: you could try restarting your VPS through it RandalSchwartz: he can't access his control panel amdprophet: ohhhh RandalSchwartz: he forgot to write down his credentials amdprophet: great :P RandalSchwartz: and now he needs garry to do extra work to fix that. fink: amdprophet: yea, he's "that guy" ;) phlux: Yes RandalSchwartz: hence - back of the line phlux: Please don't strain yourself clicking the "Reset Password," button. fink: phlux: while you're waiting, we're going to tease you a bit amdprophet: rofl phlux: That's fine. amdprophet: who was the guy I was talking to yesterday who was on kvr10? phlux: Schwartz has some personal vendetta against me that I'm trying to figure out. RandalSchwartz: Nope. phlux: I'm not even sure I've had the pleasure, if one can call it that, of meeting him before this encounter. RandalSchwartz: it's not personal
it's your behavior phlux: It's pretty personal. RandalSchwartz: if another guy came in here tomorrow having done the same thing, I'd be ribbing them EXACTLY the same way
so it's not personal in the slightest phlux: Because you have nothing better to do? fink: phlux: i think he has something against the "ph" digraph RandalSchwartz: no - because I'm hoping that people are *smarter* than that who use ARP's services
because when they aren't, *my* cost goes up phlux: Ah, I see. RandalSchwartz: so indirectly, people like you take money out of my pocket. phlux: Nevermind the fact that I have a career and a family to take care of - my ARP credentials should be my top priority.
I apologize. RandalSchwartz: so you see, it's very much not personal. phlux: Actually, if you're in the US, I take a lot of money out of your pocket. Your paycheck, to be clear. RandalSchwartz: it's about not appreciating the behavior. fink: phlux: how do you do that?? phlux: I'm in the military. We all pay taxes, so essentially, I pay myself as well ;) RandalSchwartz: I think he robs banks
Ahh, a jarhead, wishing to kill people for a living.
Figures. :) fink: RandalSchwartz: he'd forget his keys at home phlux: Yes, because I carry around weapons. RandalSchwartz: now it *is* personal. :) amdprophet: rofl phlux: I'm in the Coast Guard, you goon.
I'm no "jarhead." RandalSchwartz: you carry a gun. you defend the coast borders. phlux: Actually, I don't.
I'm a Pollution Investigator. fink: phlux: do boats have keys? i've always wondered this RandalSchwartz: you're trained to carry a gun. phlux: My rate is Marine Science Technician.
I am not.
I'm not qualified on the pistol or the shotgun.
I have no need to be.
Because again, I don't kill people. fink: phlux: harpoon? amdprophet: Stop there pollution! *BAM* RandalSchwartz: that's a horrible way to run a branch of the military phlux: I respond to oil spills and chemical releases.
What am I going to need a gun for? fink: harpoon! phlux: We have other people in the CG trained for that. fink: a spear at least? RandalSchwartz: a pointy stick? phlux: A pocket knife, perhaps. amdprophet: I want a pointy stick :< fink: maybe phlux's expertise is in losing important emails ;) phlux: this ^ amdprophet: LOL fink: phlux: out of curiosity, what's on your vps?
webserver? phlux: An e-mail server, a web server, and a private IRCd. amdprophet: Mine is filled with lots of por.... websites RandalSchwartz: "oh my gawd, it's full of stars!" fink: LOL
phlux: OS? jdoe: mine's turtles all the way down... amdprophet: I'm running 5 VPS's all with Windows, being paid by Microsoft to boost their numbers :) RandalSchwartz: my VPS should be running VMWare Server. :)
then I can resell my machine to others. :) amdprophet: rofl
a VM in a VM RandalSchwartz: open up rarpnetworks.com :) amdprophet: ROFL RandalSchwartz: "yes - we have reliable machines"
"just look at our provider's uptimes!" fink: amdprophet: now that is funny RandalSchwartz: I'd set up my own VNC-within-VNC fink: "we need to go deeper" RandalSchwartz: "your area is the upper left corner of this other vnc" amdprophet: Inception, the server provider fink: V I R T U A L I Z A T I O N RandalSchwartz: arpception.com fink: nice amdprophet: I like RandalSchwartz: "everybody gets 256MB of memory"
"and 4G of disk"
"and half an IP" fink: hahha amdprophet: fink: I think we've actually got 4 VPS right now, FreeBSD on 3 of them, Ubuntu on the other, we mainly run websites and the ubuntu box is running LDAP & Kerberos RandalSchwartz: "we don't oversell our machines"
"(we're overselling our provider)" :) fink: amdprophet: interesting, why ubuntu for kerberos? amdprophet: kerberos on freebsd is a scary thing atm
the ports are older than RandalSchwartz fink: daaaaaamn RandalSchwartz: why not just run the linux binaries on freebsd? amdprophet: could
but it was easy to set up with ubuntu
we had to set it up on a separate VM anyways due to lack of memory
http://www.aelatis.com is our main site fink: interesting that kerberos hasn't been supplanted by something newer
amdprophet: cool site amdprophet: thanks
I've been with a few server providers, ARP is the best for the money by a long shot
VPSLink blows
The Planet was great for a dedicated server but much too expensive for us RandalSchwartz: yeah
costs kept down because most people can manage their own console :) amdprophet: haha ***: fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) vcs: yeah ARP is great
the only thing they could improve are the ipv6 routes outside of their control :P RandalSchwartz: and that would be magical vcs: indeed
mmmm ive been building java all day on my OpenBSD vm
java is a pain on OpenBSD
haha RandalSchwartz: s/ on OpenBSD// vcs: true :)
Im setting up some software where i can stream all of my music from my OpenBSD vm
hook that up to my droid
all my music available from one place toddf: vcs: did I miss the option where unlimited bandwidth was a checkbox? vcs: :P
toddf: I have 200 gigs of transfer a month
and unlimited on verizon toddf: I'm pushing 9G of transfer a month with only serving dns vcs: i only have 25 gigs of music toddf: on my vps vcs: toddf: my VM is more for personal stuff amdprophet: up_the_irons: you should release an API so we can control our VMs from our phones :p vcs: than hard serving toddf: amdprohet: haven't you heard? the API is called HTML amdprophet: pssh toddf: the control panel is cleanly written, if it doesn't work on your phone I'd be surprised amdprophet: HTML is a lot bulkier than a native app + JSON
not to be picky... ;) vcs: HTML runs on everything toddf: are you sure you've looked at the control panel web page source vs a native app time + size? vcs: i would rather have it run no matter what
than have it just here and there amdprophet: from experience, native apps are a lot faster
assuming the API isn't sending much data vcs: may be true amdprophet: the phone has to render the page as well, takes time vcs: but then you gota pick favorites
do you support all 200 phone platforms
:P amdprophet: if garry wrote an API then he wouldn't have to worry about writing the mobile apps, that would be up to us
I'd make one for iOS / Android, for sure
release it as OSS too ***: fink has joined #arpnetworks vcs: iOS development makes me cringe amdprophet: why
? * vcs: objective C is ugly, i takes way to much code to do simple things
and development is too restricted
one time i was demoing an app to a potential customer
and my code signing certificate just expired
and it would not load up :X amdprophet: yea, the code signing is complete BS
I agree with you there vcs: :|
im not saying i like android or blackberry or winmo dev more
im just saying that it needs serious improvement amdprophet: but as far as takes too much to do simple things, I find it easier to work with than java on Android, and that's saying a lot because I'm a big android fan vcs: Palm has got it right amdprophet: WebOS? vcs: yes, android dev is nice in my opinion
especially since there is no code signing mumbo jumbo amdprophet: can't stand the ADTs though
very buggy vcs: haha, yeah
would be nice to be able to develop in languages like python
would be really nice :) amdprophet: you can vcs: oh really? amdprophet: yea they just released some python packaging system
for android fink: amdprophet: really??? amdprophet: http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/
think that's it vcs: sweet
thanks!
ahhh mobile pythong development would make me so happy
python
dammit! lol amdprophet: :p RandalSchwartz: python - that's another WTF.
right there with Java vcs: nah, python is great
i use it everyday at work[18:17] <vcs> maks my life so much easier
NASA and google use it RandalSchwartz: too bad it was designed by someone who doesn't grok objects
or closures, apparently
or scoping. :) vcs: python is great for small projects
and data processesing amdprophet: I've been looking at playing with python a bit, I'm mainly a Ruby, ObjC, and Java guy atm RandalSchwartz: too bad python doesn't have anything like the CPAN
does it have native regex yet? amdprophet: ahhh you're a perl guy :p RandalSchwartz: or are those still strings with a flag? vcs: i can write a native parser
faster than a regex
lol
regex is overrated amdprophet: regex + nodejs = very fast RandalSchwartz: perl6 grammars will put regex to shame vcs: perl6 is vaporware
:P RandalSchwartz: not at all
go download rakudo
useable already
just doesn't have the CPAN yet vcs: i do like perl dont get me wrong
but i can code small things in python far faster RandalSchwartz: Luckily, Perl's CPAN makes things that would be bigger than small in Python just small in Perl. :) vcs: well there are plenty of extensions for python
hunting thm down is not very hard RandalSchwartz: not as many as Perl though
and Perl's CPAN upload rate increases year over year vcs: true, i have never not been able to find what i needd tho RandalSchwartz: more people are using Perl today than in 1999 ***: robotarm_ has joined #arpnetworks amdprophet: what type of mobile phones do people carry here? mjp: carry? *scoff* mine clips very nicely on my belt amdprophet: :p RandalSchwartz: mine is in my scottevest pocket amdprophet: oh man that's awesome
I need to buy me one of those now RandalSchwartz: I have about 15 items of scottevest
currently wearing a shirt, pants, and coat from SeV
sadly, the underware is out of stock :) amdprophet: gahhh so expensive RandalSchwartz: expense is relative
as a frequent traveller, SeV is unmatched
just like my tombihn.com bags
nothing comes close amdprophet: I've been unemployed for 2 years, I can barely afford the VPS atm :p RandalSchwartz: well - then, not for you amdprophet: not that I've been looking for a job... *cough*
trying to get my own business off the ground still
hah, that's a coincidence
an ad on a site that just happens to be for SeV RandalSchwartz: yeah, they're pimping heavy now
especially with the delta controversy amdprophet: ROFL
that's ridiculous
so pretty much, don't use Delta airlines RandalSchwartz: no, that's not what it's about
in fact, scott just tweeted he's flying for a week somewhere, using delta :)
but also using the new "carryon coat" that made delta mad at him :) amdprophet: they won't let passengers wear SeV because it reduces baggage costs RandalSchwartz: that's balls :) amdprophet: my inbox is getting filled with fanmail
feels awesome RandalSchwartz: fans? -: fink wishes he had fans amdprophet: yea
we released an iPhone app for halo players last week
hit 3,000 users today, pretty stoked fink: congrats amdprophet: I've been getting email after email saying, "Thanks for releasing this app! It's awesome! Can't believe it's free!"
etc.. RandalSchwartz: halo players have iphones and not windows phones? amdprophet: thankfully :p
We've had requests for a windows phone version but more for an Android version
almost done the Android verison ***: cubelogic has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) toddf: windows becoming irrelevent. I likes. amdprophet: all but one of my buddies are using macs or linux boxen now
I've got windows on one box for gaming / android dev, my main machines are macs though toddf: windows for android dev. what are you smoking?
or does google smoke windows to develop for android? seems rather ludicrous considering android is linux. ***: robotarm_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
robotarm_ has joined #arpnetworks fink: i can honestly say, i've never smoked a window amdprophet: LOL
I'm using windows because eclipse died on my mac ***: robotarm_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) amdprophet: and my windows box is the beefiest machine I have
Xeon X3360 @ around 3.0 GHz, 8 GB of DDR2 1066, runs the Android emulator great :) fink: amdprophet: what happened to eclipse/ amdprophet: it's just a gray screen when I open it up now
everything disappeared fink: stupid java amdprophet: yea :p fink: amdprophet: have you heard about a python OS? amdprophet: I haven't, no mhoran: ... I remember the days when my VM was pulling the most traffic on ARP. :) amdprophet: old time customer? mhoran: Indeed. fink: mhoran: how can we tell?
do you have a low uid? amdprophet: he's faking it, it's a conspiracy! mhoran: I'm on kvr02. I'm also an op, from the days when all the ops in this channel were also the only arp subscribers. Hence why we're ops. fink: mhoran: ah ok, so a low kvr # = seniority
what kvr am i on? ***: o_o has joined #arpnetworks mhoran: Well, I think unused slots get reused. ***: o_o is now known as Guest84908
Guest84908 is now known as robotarmy_ mhoran: You can find out on the customer portal. amdprophet: we've got a box that we're retiring on kvr04
er VM * fink: mhoran: cool, thanks
i guess my only claim to fame is that i got here before RandalSchwartz mhoran: kvr02 is one of the oldest KVM hosts. up_the_irons used to host on Xen, but has migrated most, if not everything, to KVM, hence kvrNN.
I've been trying to finish that sentence since two T stops before getting home, thanks T-mobile, America's least reliable 3G network. fink: is tmobile going to merge w/att? mhoran: Hey now, let's not start any rumors. ***: fink has quit IRC (Quit: Obviously vomiting.)
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