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LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) cedwards: I've got a server with two drives (different sizes, unfortunately). Would this be a good reference for toying with RAIDZ http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/RAIDZ1 ***: kitkatbar has joined #arpnetworks kitkatbar: hi ***: schmir has joined #arpnetworks
schmir has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) ww: cedwards: don't know about that reference... (no opinion)
... but in general you can safely raid the drives (to the capacity of the smaller)
... you might experience some (probably minimal) degradation of performance
... if the drives are of much different size, you might be able to use the excess space as non-raid cedwards: ww: I've never RAIDed FreeBSD before, and I don't see a (clear) option in the installer.
ww: is that generally something done manually outside of sysinstall? jpalmer: cedwards: there is no way via sysinstall to setup RAID. you have to do a manual install.
(as in, not using the freebsd installer) fink: cedwards: i've done zfs on root, but not raidz as well cedwards: do either of you have a link/reference for that offhand? (other than a RTFH) ww: the last time i made a bsd host with raid was before zfs (and was actually netbsd so even now no zfs i think) fink: cedwards: i also used this: http://anonsvn.h3q.com/projects/freebsd-patches/browser/manageBE/create-zfsboot-gpt_livecd.sh jpalmer: not right off hand (I'm never messed with zfs yet) but I'm pretty familiar with gmirror, and geli. both require manual install. fink: cedwards: i didn't see much of a difference between doing it manually and the scrpit
that script sure made typing all those commands easier… cedwards: I'd be interested in starting simple with gmirror before I get into RAIDZ ww: with zfs can't you add disks to the pool post hoc/
? cedwards: probably. as I understand it, zfs is all powerful and will be the filesystem of SkyNet ;)
(was that Terminator reference a stretch? ;) ) fink: no, it was apt cedwards: actually, on the topic of skynet...
yesterday a co-worker and I were discussing the Oracle/Sun buyout. I determined that if any company had smart enough engineers to create sentient robots it would have been Sun.. and if any company was evil enough to destroy mankind it would be Oracle.
Oracle now has the pieces needed to start skynet and destroy us all! fink: is java on its way out? -: ww takes everyone's world about skynet... /me figures it must have something to do with skytv... fink: ww: it's from the terminator movies ww: skytv probably shows terminator movies now and then... -: ww *shrug* ;) cedwards: ww: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_%28Terminator%29 RandalSchwartz: raidz rules
you can build a nice raid box with cheap fast disks now
and rely on raidz to catch the problems cedwards: well I think I'll tinker with raidz then kitkatbar: RandalSchwartz: i got a slave nameserver setup with ns1.he.net, so i pointed ns2.nullbnc.com to the ip of ns1.he.net and i still get no reverses :/ RandalSchwartz: does ns1.he.net have the right SOA and data? kitkatbar: it's just a slave RandalSchwartz: yes. has it refreshed?
it needs to have a copy of all of the data
host -t soa $YOURDOMAIN ns1.he.net
make sure it has that data there
and the right soa
the dnscheck would reveal that kitkatbar: i just checked, it refreshed a few minutes ago :) RandalSchwartz: ok - so, delegation is right, and the right data is in the DNS
what happens when you try to do the reverse? kitkatbar: is it dig @ns1.nullbnc.com 0.c.4.3.8.f.etc.ip6.arpa.
nslookup -type=AAAA six.nullbnc.com returns an answer :D RandalSchwartz: dig -x fb34:XXXX:XXXX::1
or whatever you have populated
for example, "dig -x 2607:f2f8:3080::
that gets my reverse for red.stonehenge.com kitkatbar: oops accidently dig'd yours lol
was just checking :D RandalSchwartz: hey I don't care. :) kitkatbar: hmm
says status: NXDOMAIN RandalSchwartz: use +trace
see where it stops kitkatbar: . 506278 IN NS j.root-servers.net.
;; Received 272 bytes from 174.136.101.162#53(174.136.101.162) in 0 ms
. 86400 IN SOA a.root-servers.net. nstld.verisign-grs.com. 2010111000 1800 900 604800 86400 RandalSchwartz: you're getting the right delegation
so it must be you have a broken named.conf file or a broken domain file
as in, that -x got to you, and then you said "NXDOMAIN"
can you pastebin both? kitkatbar: yea RandalSchwartz: maybe you don't have the right number of 0.0.0.0's :)
there should be 32 digits total, if I recall
yeah... 32 x 4 = 128 kitkatbar: haha
that was it
oddly enough, not enough 0's
wtf -: kitkatbar kicks himself in the butt kitkatbar: i guess i owe ya one
hehe jpalmer: didn't I mention yesterday (or the day before?) to pad the number of zero's in the PTR record? ;) kitkatbar: yah but i wasn't counting -: ww wonders about dnssec for reverse zones... kitkatbar: because the $origin had extra four 0's jpalmer: ahh. gotcha. yep, having the right number is definately going to help ;) kitkatbar: when he specified 32 digits
i counted, and i was short :P
thx jpalmer- you were of great help too
i can't believe it works now, i knew it was something stupid i overlooked jpalmer: np, sorry I had to run away the other day. work called. glad you got it figured out though.
speaking of work.. time for a conference call. kitkatbar: i might should write a guide for debian on how to setup ipv6 and bind with ipv6 & reverse zone
for the arp wiki RandalSchwartz: so this is the third time I've suggested something, and that was it. :)
nice
I have my $ORIGIN to be exactly what the entire file is about
in that sense, it's probably redundant. :)
Oh wait... no, I'm defining stuff in a /64
so I have $ORIGIN to push enough 0's behind my 48 Sabrii: re
hi, is there anyone from Arp networks here? toddf: seems rather a waste to describe bind with ipv6 and reverse zones and confine it to one os kitkatbar: yea but the current openbsd ipv6 guide is way different than what i did Sabrii:
PING 1289416958 433571
kitkatbar: so i guess i could write what works in debian and should work in any linux distro Sabrii: guess not ***: kitkatbar has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) toddf: $line =~ m/^([^ ])+[ ]+([0-9]+) /
guh, how many times did I stare at that before I realized the + was on the outside of the parenthesis? ***: kitkatbar has joined #arpnetworks RandalSchwartz: how many? :) toddf: too many ;-( RandalSchwartz: or not enough, until you saw it. :)
damn perl
just makes your life hard. :) toddf: "it works but it only shows one char in $1, wtf?" RandalSchwartz: yeah - that's the other odd thing...
(...)+ - you can't get all the times that matched
only the final one
until Perl6, that is toddf: oh joy RandalSchwartz: the match variable has an arrayref at that point
which collapses to the last item in a scalar context, so it's like old behavior toddf: sneaky RandalSchwartz: that means you can do things like ((...)+(..)+)+ and get all levels
tree return toddf: somewhere in there ENOMEM RandalSchwartz: heh
you can say "don't capture" too
like in Perl5 but more sane syntax
no more (?: .. ) ***: andrewnemeth has joined #arpnetworks andrewnemeth: hey guys
how can I resize freebsd root partition? toddf: grow or shrink? andrewnemeth: grow ***: schmir has joined #arpnetworks jpalmer: have you got unallocated disk space in your VPS? andrewnemeth: yes jpalmer: ok, you'll need to use the growfs command. there is a section in the freebsd handbook on doing this. let me see if I can find the url andrewnemeth: http://www.opusinteractive.com/blogs/Growing-the-Filesystem-in-a-FreeBSD-Server/637.html jpalmer: andrewnemeth: that looks like it'd work. make sure you have backups first. and keep in mind also.. you generally want your root FS to be as small as possible, so that after an improper shutdown, your machine can fsck / quickly, and boot. the root partition cannot do a background fsck.. the others can. andrewnemeth: that would be better to have the unallocated space to /usr? jpalmer: (meaning, the whole time it's doing the fsck on /, your machine is going to be "down" andrewnemeth: im absolutely beginner
dev/ad0s1a 243M 208M 16M 93% /
thats the only partition I have now
usr is not mounted seperatelly jpalmer: generally speaking, my / partion is either 256 or 512m. *never* anything more. andrewnemeth: I see
so
usr is the biggest? jpalmer: well, the default arpnetworks freebsd vps has one / partition. but I would strongly encourage you to reinstall, and do a standardized partion scheme andrewnemeth: so should I allocate the free space to /usr? jpalmer: keeping in mind, I cannot tell you what partition sizes you need, because I don't know your plans.. but generally yes; /usr is the largest partion.. by far. andrewnemeth: and if I want to allocate the free space to it and mount /usr as seperate partition should I follow this hwto?
or that can be done easier? jpalmer: if you're an absolute beginner, I'd follow the arpnetworks FAQ on reinstalling the OS. then choose the "default" partition scheme. it'll be a great start for the beginner. andrewnemeth: well I dont really want to reinstall
:) jpalmer: I'd strongly recommend it. but, it's your VPS ;) do whatever you think is best for you. andrewnemeth: any howto to mount /usr and add free space to it?
:) RandalSchwartz: my freebsd root is on ZFS
so I never have to worry about this. :) jpalmer: the same howto you just linked, give the essentials. just modify the commands for the appropriate partitions and sizes. andrewnemeth: hm
well
http://pastebin.com/Gy0nZ9dT
this is the current state now
I assume I need to remove partition 2,3,4
and create one big
then mount /usr to it
m I right? ***: kitkatbar has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)
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nakano_ is now known as nakano Sabrii: does anyone know where the arpnetwork admins are located? RandalSchwartz: "where"?
as in physical space? jpalmer: Sabrii: california Sabrii: ah ok thanks RandalSchwartz: Sabrii - how is that important? :) Sabrii: it would explain when they will answer to e-mail
if they are in another timezone, it will take a while RandalSchwartz: no - it explains nothing :)
support here is generally 24-48 hours Sabrii: I'm talking sales
that is usually faster ;) RandalSchwartz: ditto
no - not necessarily
since it's the same guys
frequently 24 hour response, sometimes 48. but don't expect faster. Sabrii: interesting business model RandalSchwartz: yes - keeping costs down by not giving you 15 minute responses
you're expected to be a relatively knowledgable and slightly patient customer
if you don't want to be that, there are other VPS offers Sabrii: I am knowledgable enough, trust me on that one jpalmer: I'll exchange fast support, with reasonable costs and rock solid performance any day. Sabrii: patient however... :) RandalSchwartz: again, if you're not patient, you'll be happier elsewhere. seriously. Sabrii: there are not a lot of businesses that offer FreeBSD vps RandalSchwartz: I'm all for ArpNetworks making money Sabrii: and I -hate- linux RandalSchwartz: but they don't need impatient customers
it's bad for everyone jpalmer: Sabrii: then I'd suggest patience ;) Sabrii: but I want it now now now now now now
and a pony
just kidding
I was just informing guys
I have time
just curious on the expected timerange jpalmer: Sabrii: I'll tell you right now.. once the vps is up, you won't NEED support. it really is that solid. but if you are one of the "now" types, it's probably not the right fit for you. Sabrii: oh mine is up
it's working great
I just need some additional features
by next week or so RandalSchwartz: what kind of features? Sabrii: IP space
and if possible, BGP RandalSchwartz: IP is easy
I don't think BGP is offered Sabrii: just but I want it a slightly different way than usual :) RandalSchwartz: presuming you need only a /29 Sabrii: yeah RandalSchwartz: how differently? Sabrii: I have a /22 and an AS number
oh the /29 I need routed towards my VPS
so I can stick it into a VPN RandalSchwartz: so you can get a a /29 from ARP
but that won't be part of your /22 Sabrii: that's exactly what I don't want, ARP. I would like to have it routed, if possible -: RandalSchwartz can't parse that sentence RandalSchwartz: you get a public /29
it routes via the retail networks Sabrii: aah ok sorry
let me explain
by ARP, you mean ARP networks. I read "route via proxy arping" RandalSchwartz: nope
I didn't mean RFC826 :) fink: heh Sabrii: that's what you get when you choose your company name after a protocol :) fink: i'm going to start a rival to arpnetworks, called pingnetworks! RandalSchwartz: but he didn't.. he just liked the name.
rarpnetworks! fink: RandalSchwartz: maybe ARP is an acronym? RandalSchwartz: maybe fink is an acronym? :) Sabrii: fink: Address Resolution Protocol sounds fine nesta: fink: you will beat my pongnetworks !!! RandalSchwartz: one-ping-only-networks
Sean Connery as the CEO fink: lol Sabrii: I prefer Clint Eastwood as the CEO nesta: woops
fink: you will never beat my pongnetworks !!!*
lol RandalSchwartz: anyway, what's your actual question? Sabrii: "Go ahead, Ping my day" RandalSchwartz: you want a /29, you can have it, generally
bigger is harder nesta: nice quote RandalSchwartz
lol Sabrii: so I would like a /29 routed towards my VPS, so not as part of a subnet with the .1 on their routers RandalSchwartz: still didn't grok that Sabrii: ok RandalSchwartz: you get a /29, and they steal the bottom address for the routeer Sabrii: yes, exactly what I don't want RandalSchwartz: so you get 14 usable Sabrii: count again RandalSchwartz: 13
yeay Sabrii: a /29 is 8 ips
a /28 is 16 ips RandalSchwartz: uh, what?
ok - right Sabrii: :) RandalSchwartz: so I have a /28
with 13 usable Sabrii: yes jpalmer: Sabrii: I suggest you cement the idea in your head (figure out exactly what you want to do) then find a very clear way to articulate that. because I'll be honest.. if you submit a support ticket stating what you've said so far.. I doubt they'll be able to figure out specifically what you need/want. RandalSchwartz: and what's wrong with that?
how many addresses do you need? Sabrii: jpalmer: anyone who understands networking (ie ccna level or higher) will understand it RandalSchwartz: Sabrii - I've been doing IP traffic since before it was called IP
and I don't get it Sabrii: ok RandalSchwartz: ccna be damned Sabrii: then you will understand this: jpalmer: I understand networking fine. I'm still 100% unclear as to what it is you want. RandalSchwartz: yeah, jpalmer is no slouch either Sabrii: ip route 1.1.1.0 255.255.255.248 myvps
does that help? :) RandalSchwartz: and you need to have an outbound route
and that's the first addr
so from 16 total addresses
you get 13
how hard is that to understand? Sabrii: *bangs head against wall*
you don't understand IP, clearly
so nevermind RandalSchwartz: jpalmer - Sabrii doesn't know who I am, clearly :) Sabrii: I'll wait patiently for someone who does
no I don't -: RandalSchwartz imagines what waiting for the heat death of the universe is like jpalmer: RandalSchwartz: you clearly don't understand networking. you need a ccna. duh Sabrii: ok
let me try it again RandalSchwartz: Sabrii - what is the OUTBOUND route on your VPS?
where are you sending traffic *TO* the internet
it has to be a valid IP Sabrii: the /30 that is inbetween right now RandalSchwartz: so the .1 is taken Sabrii: I want to keep the /30 that there is right now
so here is the deal
my vps has 174.136.109.210 RandalSchwartz: if you ask for a /28, it will *include* your /30 Sabrii: my default gw is 174.136.109.209 RandalSchwartz: I know, we've already done this Sabrii: ok
so that is there
now fink: RandalSchwartz: man, you just don't get IP Sabrii: 174.136.109.209 is a router
right? RandalSchwartz: well - it's a virtual interface to a virtual router table entry, sure Sabrii: aah ok
no that explains something
I'm not very familiar with virtualization RandalSchwartz: ignore me then fink: Sabrii: what is it exactly that you want to do? RandalSchwartz: pretend it's hardware
I was just being pedantic jpalmer: fink: we're still trying to figure that out. Sabrii: fink: I want to route a /29 into an openvpn tunnel RandalSchwartz: so you want to buy a /28
and route half of that into your tunnel Sabrii: if 174.136.109.209 would be a cisco router that would be very simple RandalSchwartz: makes sense
no problem Sabrii: uhm, but then I would have to proxy arp for the /29 fink: Sabrii: ok, why do you want to do that? RandalSchwartz: proxy arp?
the word is "routes"
routes don't need no stinking proxy arp Sabrii: RandalSchwartz: exactly my point RandalSchwartz: let's use 0-based
so in your /28, .0 is net, .15 is mask, .1 is router
you create .2
you route by hand .3, .4, up to .14 into your tunnel
via NAT
your tunnel endpoint on this end is .2
and you tell the other end to go to this end .2
seems straightforward to me Sabrii: hmm, I'm pretty speechless now
I'm sorry to have bothered you guys ***: Sabrii has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) RandalSchwartz: but the real thing is, why is he vpn'ing his public IPs
he should VPN private space jpalmer: RandalSchwartz: clearly, you don't know networking. but you fake it well. RandalSchwartz: indeed jpalmer: lol RandalSchwartz: enough to make him "speechless" :)
Oh - I get it... he wants his public IP on this side to go to private machines on the other end of the tunnel
yeah, that makes sense jpalmer: either he realized it, or he still didn't get it and felt he was wasting his time. either way.. he could have been a little less argumentative and dismissive, and a whole lot more clear on his goals. RandalSchwartz: indeed
as Garry has told me from time to time "those aren't the customers we need" :) nesta: he was just trying to get some help
and he got it
:) fink: yea, poor guy
heh RandalSchwartz: heavy polution in the air here in LA. very orange sunset fink: RandalSchwartz: you should charge for that, next time nesta: eeeeee RandalSchwartz jpalmer: there was an ISP a while back.. I want to say hawaii.. but they only accepted customers with a clue. if you called tech support, they asked for your account number. once you provided it, they didn't offer support. they cancelled your account. RandalSchwartz: why do you want to say hawaii?
is that like tourette's syndrom, but with states? nesta: sounds pretty lame jpalmer: I think they were based in hawaii RandalSchwartz: Oh - that's why you wanted to say that. :) jpalmer: damned pedants :P -: RandalSchwartz wanders off, looking for happier hour mjp: 'hey, stop saying hawaii in there' ***: boogeyman has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) RandalSchwartz: "hawaii!"
there. I said it. ***: cedwards has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)
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