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fwiw, I have conserver running ssh with an rsa key to log the console of my vps from remote ***: LT has joined #arpnetworks
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LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) up_the_irons: toddf: roger that, glad to hear. that's also a pretty cool setup dxtr: Okay, now I'm mad
they've stopped selling my favorite chili sauce up_the_irons: :( dxtr: I'm gonna kill someone tooth: what one was that? up_the_irons: yeah, what was it called? -: up_the_irons starts getting ready to wander into the office dxtr: Uhm... I don't know really. "Sweet chili ketchup sauce" the bottle said :P toddf: up_the_irons: the `fwiw' was more for the other guys in here, I suspect you might remember my setup .. ;-) ***: wallshot has joined #arpnetworks
owda has joined #arpnetworks RandalSchwartz: weird... I can't reach red.stonehenge.com from miredo any more. only proper ipv6
but I can get to ipv6.google.com from miredo
and also from red.stonehenge.com :)
so there's some sort of weird split with regard to miredo gateways
s/miredo/teredo/g if that makes more sense to you
miredo is a specific implementation of teredo toddf: there's a reason comcast concluded native dual stack is better than tunneling varients RandalSchwartz: well - oddly, I can ping red from my he.net tunnel
but not from my laptop (teredo assigned)
so it's probably some discontinuity in the teredo overlap toddf: traceroute6 ? RandalSchwartz: one row of stars
one row of !A
from my addr 2001::4137:9e74:0:5331:33f2:5cdb
lemme traceroute the other direction toddf: !A = "access to the network is prohibited" RandalSchwartz: Yeah - weird.
so from red to my miredo node... fail
from my miredo node to red... fail
but red to anywhere else, or my miredo to anywhere else, no problem
and my he.net tunnel node can get to everything too
the only forbidden address is red. I suspect something is misconfigured near ARP then
Hmm. I remember up_the_irons mentioning something about running a teredo node "again"
maybe he started, but broke the config.
that would explain why arp <-> teredo is disconnected toddf: I will be glad when such head wrenching tunnel look alike stuff is gone ***: schmir has joined #arpnetworks wallshot: he.net needs ipv6 tests for mysql, pgsql, and sshd
i was noticing my mysql bound to 127.0.0.1 thinking it should be bound to ipv6 localhost too jpalmer: except, mysql and pgsql shouldn't be publically available in all but a few specific cases ;) wallshot: true
but they are used over lans all the time
appX connecting to sqlY
and i shouldn't have to setup an ipv4 lan just for a webapp to talk to a db across the lan
though making it available for he.net to connect to is asking a bit much probably ***: schmir has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: my 6to4 gateway was killed long ago; you shouldn't see issues b/c of that RandalSchwartz: I wonder what the problem could be then
miredo to everywhere except arp - ok
arp to everywhere except miredo - ok
miredo to arp - dead
although, maybe not *everywhere*
maybe it's even more local
anyone have a v6 at arp I could ping?
www.arpnetworks.com has no AAAA record
pshaw! wallshot: ping6 ipv6.google.com ? 6-for.me ? RandalSchwartz: oh weird. now it works fine. wallshot: oh at arp RandalSchwartz: maybe a temporary bad route? wallshot: 6-for.me is at arp
my fun hobby vps RandalSchwartz: yeah, that's working
even red works now again wallshot: magic! toddf: 0.v.freedaemon.com at arp ***: schmir has joined #arpnetworks
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tinono has joined #arpnetworks vcs: wow, for OpenBSD runnin on KVM, the I/O speed is not bad at all
not sure how you guys do it o.O tinono: I guess the hosts are not your ordinary laptop with a 5400rpm drive :-p vcs: haha mhoran: Nah, 7200 RPM. ;) toddf: vcs: you will find as we have that the thundering herd problems can occur, but due to strategic modification of crontabs this is mostly a non issue; if everybody access the disks then the io can get saturated for bits of time, but last i heard about that issue was 6 months ago; I kid you not the vps at arp is faster than my real hw laptop vcs: haha toddf: (and if you end up doing any kernel debugging, infinitely more useful) vcs: i tested out KVM on one of my colo boxes the other day with OpenBSD, of course I did not do much optimizations, etc, and ran the disk ontop of ext3, but i was getting 1M/S there
where i just tested and get 22M/S here toddf: filesystem is not going to matter as much as the underlying disk infrastructure
fast raid foo backs the vps's at arp vcs: yeah this was not on raid, running on an already overstressed hard disk
lol toddf: then what do you expect? vcs: maybe at least 5M/S? azmarco: ipv6'd afs? i mean magic. come on todd =)
toddf: fritzing is very nice toddf: fritzing? azmarco: /usr/ports/cad/fritzing remember from a few weeks ago? toddf: oh that thing
;-) mike-burns: I had no idea there was a /usr/ports/cad azmarco: yes. and fritzing makes up for all the other stuff in there
k.
err
http://fritzing.org/ ***: bharatak has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) -: mike-burns installs that, plays with it. toddf: http://sqlrelay.sourceforge.net/
seems interesting, one could access postgresql from a mysql client, and vica versa nesta: hmm ***: owda has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)
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nesta has joined #arpnetworks wallshot: tho i can't imagine why i'd ever want to except in some random 1-off my-system-is-too-jacked-to-have-the-correct-client-installed situation ***: schmir has joined #arpnetworks wallshot: and yet it still looks sexy when i read it RandalSchwartz: hmm. chris.insightcruises.com (kvr13) is hiccupping a lot
nagios already gave me one fail
about to give me another
it's not very busy jpalmer: RandalSchwartz: no opsview yet? RandalSchwartz: not until it's a port :) nesta: http://i.imgur.com/EpymO.jpg jpalmer: the more I'm setting it up, the more it's looking like I'll be replacing nagios. If I do, I'll contact them, and see if they'll let me work at porting. ***: schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: i was doing a large file copy; probably spiked the load a bit RandalSchwartz: ahh, ok
yeah - nothing flapping since 3:42
so I guess we're safe now
but 3:25 to 3:32 it looked dicey there. :)
I did find a config error with my web conf, so it was a good thing anyway.
geekcruises.com redirects to insightcruises.com using a named virtual
but I had forgotten to put the access and error log definitions in for it, so they were ending up in the base logs. :)
I couldn't figure out why my base logs were so big, and growing. they should have only one entry in them, at apache restart time ***: fink has joined #arpnetworks Lefty: is geekcruises.com what I think it is? RandalSchwartz: How do I know what you *think* it is? :)
I know what it *is*. Lefty: oh, right... google brainscan is still in alpha RandalSchwartz: Hard to compare without the other datapoint. Lefty: ;) RandalSchwartz: so what do you *think* it is?
or even better, go hit the website
then you'll *know* what it is, and you can compare yourself. :)
so was it? fink: i think geekcruises has something to do with ruises? like intreeg or conspeerasees RandalSchwartz: Lefty? fink: i just asked my bud and he says it's like boating in the med or something
or is that greekcruises
tough crowd tooth: *golf clap* ***: nerdd_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
nerdd has joined #arpnetworks Lefty: RandalSchwartz: if I'm reading right, it's conferences, but on a cruise ship RandalSchwartz: indeed
is that what you thought it was? wallshot: sounds like a terrible way to spend vacation
but a great place to have work send you for "research" Lefty: RandalSchwartz: Not exactly, no :) I thought it was a cruise tailored to the socially awkward :) RandalSchwartz: oh, you want nerdcruises.com
geek = cool
nerd = pocket protector fink: RandalSchwartz: so who goes on dorkcruises.com ?
people who are really, really into segways or pogo sticks? Lefty: fink: and Pokemon fink: Lefty: POGS
magicthegatheringcruises.com Lefty: heh, nerdcruises.com is available RandalSchwartz: harrypottertours.com fink: larpingatsea.com Lefty: HA RandalSchwartz: I've wanted to register "insidecruises.com" and put up a parody site, but I think neil would be upset :) Lefty: fink wins fink: Lefty: there must be a pirate joke in there, somewhere wallshot: geeks don't need pocket protectors cuz they type notes on their phones or pda's fink: you can dress up and pretend to be jack sparrow for 3 weeks
wallshot: then they need pocket armor
have you seen a LiOn battery explode?// wallshot: i just spent 3 days with bunch of people pretending to be jack sparrow
someone flickr'd photos of it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cwrazydog/5055896001/in/photostream/ fink: wallshot: did you get a vps with arpnetworks? wallshot: yup, it's been fun
an excuse to figure out ipv6 was nice -: wallshot is appreciative for the big fat /48 wallshot: i have to say, quitting linode was -awefully- easy fink: welcome to the club wallshot: in the interface, i was all "delete this linode"
and it went away so now ther'es nothing left for them to charge me for tinono: what's crazy is how many providers actualy now think they can sell me ONE ipv6 address for 1$/month wallshot: lol @ one ipv6
they didn't read that RFC tinono: man, they have that great offer where you get ONE free ipv6 address with every ipv4 address you buy!
how considerate :-p wallshot: i like how he.net will offer me a free /64 for tunneling, and let me bump it to a /48 if i want fink: wallshot: what's the story behind these photos? wallshot: fink: hundreds of drunken idiots sail out to catalina island for the weekend, and all day saturday is a big drunken pirate fest of wench clevage and some disturbingly real looking pirate costumes fink: catalina island? wallshot: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=catalina+island pacific island not far off the coast of southern california fink: cool wallshot: i saw mention of pretending to be jack sparrow for 3 weeks and had pirates fresh on my brain from last weekend fink: wallshot: were you a pirate too? wallshot: my costume was shit fink: wallshot: you went as the poop deck? wallshot: some of the people who i went with had crazy costumes they'd spent the past few years adding to
lolz fink: wow wallshot: the idea of 3 weeks on the same boat with those drunk idiots kills me though
we barely survived 3 days on overcrowded 46 foot sailboat without killing each other fink: wallshot: we should do it wallshot: haha
bsd pirate adventure fink: wallshot: thanks to #arpnetworks and RandalSchwartz, we just came up with a kickass biz plan and now we need some funding wallshot: sounds like it's time to set sail and plunder the necessary funding
sure was a damn fun trip
like 60 hours in, 3rd day, out of fresh water except for partially emptied wounded soldiers people left around boat for previous 2 days, our captain is shouting at other boats we sail past that we'll trade our wenches for fresh water fink: wallshot: wounded soldiers? what? wallshot: oh it's what we call the half beer that some drunk leaves unfinished
tho on that trip most of the wounded soldiers were water bottles ***: wallshot has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)
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tinono has joined #arpnetworks RandalSchwartz: I have enough free ipv6 addresses to enumerate the molecules of the earth. :) tooth: Better get started. They aren't going get assigned themselves. ***: tinono has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) toddf: yes, but is there enough resources in an arp VPS to enumerate them and actually respond without swapping to death? ;-)
I fail to comprehend why any business plan must necessarily include going into debt; if the idea works, sell it to potential customers who then get early bird discounts and pave the way for the real business model
harder yes, but, you don't owe your coat to the bank then ***: vmmello has joined #arpnetworks
heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) RandalSchwartz: there has to be some debt somewhere
either your personal time put in ahead of getting money
or money received ahead of finishing the value for the money
always debt
the product does not arrive instantaneous with the money, so therefore there is always debt on one side or the other
pay up front = cash debt
pay at finish = time debt ***: heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks
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mike-burns_ has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1) vcs: with no credit, its hard to even get started
most people dont have enough money in the bank to make an idea into something useable
its all about who you know, and the money in the bank
otherwise you are stuck going into debt ***: fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) vcs: Anyone know if the arpnetworks account can use a public key? I want to disable password login on my VM, but still want that account to work for a clean shutdown RandalSchwartz: your OS doesn't respect ACPI?
or maybe it's APCI
the VM sends a "power down" signal first to your OS
if your OS does the right thing, no need for them to log in
I don't have their login on any of my boxes. :)
vcs? vcs: oh no it should
haha
im using stock OpenBSD kernel, which has ACPI
yah so I guess I should not worry about that RandalSchwartz: so there ya go
just delete that account vcs: sweet. ssh crack zombies are now useless :) IPv6Free1y: Woot, passed JNCIS-ENT today :D ***: CRowen has joined #arpnetworks jpalmer: is kvr13 down?
3 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2019ms
I think I'm going to ask to be moved off kvr13. I've only been a paying customer for like a week and a half, and this is the 3rd outage I've seen ***: vmmello has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) mattx86: fwiw, I've been logged into my vnc console on kvr13 since earlier in the week (hadn't switched on networking yet though)
uptime is 4 days and 17h, 36m
this is since we wiped away routeros and reinstalled with alpine linux
on my vps vcs: alpine linux looks nice, never heard of it before
i have always wondered why so many distros resist PaX by default
sure RHEL/Cent have exec shield, but everyone else? mattx86: yeah vcs: selinux / apparmour is nice... but that is not fixing the root of most problems
also selinux / apparmour cause alot of problems when not configured perfectly or using 3rd party software mattx86: btw, alpine is reminiscent of arch, but in my view, alpine is more server-oriented than arch, what with all the server packages that are available vcs: seems they should just grab PaX and not look back
I love archlinux
its my desktop distro mattx86: :) vcs: for servers though, im an OpenBSD guy haha mattx86: ah vcs: no worse feeling than having to wait for linux vendors to patch a 0day root exploit
and then rushing it at odd hours of the night mattx86: I've considered getting back into freebsd on and off recently, but alpine seems so simple to use vcs: seems like alpine also has better security stack wise ***: sentabi has quit IRC (Changing host)
sentabi has joined #arpnetworks mattx86: yeah vcs: FreeBSD is a great OS also, just wish they would be more proactive security wise besides propolice
alot of my friends FreeBSD boxes recently have been mysteriously rooted >_> mattx86: seriously? wow vcs: i think theres a 0day going around, but i wont speculate
could have been password / key stealing
who knows mattx86: yeah
interesting though vcs: I just sleep better at night with OpenBSD :P mattx86: yeah, sounds reasonable
my problem with openbsd is that there's only a handful of packages available
but then again, I haven't tried openbsd in like 6 years probably
basically took one look and said wtf ;) vcs: well, all the important stuff for me (postgres, mysql, postfix, apache, bind) have packages in the repos available
and most of them are chrooted by default
also alot of other misc packages I have found in there as well mattx86: then moved onto freebsd and finally netbsd, before going with debian and then ubuntu server edition
I may have to check it out again vcs: if you also look at OpenBSD security advisories, they have very few nowdays.
because they fixed almost everything already :P mattx86: nice :) vcs: but yeah, I was pleasently supprised to find packages like znc, irssi, xchat, fluxbox, etc
I am planning on loading it on my netbook
it was like Archlinux, love at first sight :P mattx86: haha
cool vcs: archlinux + grsecurity is a force to be reckoned with though
any distro with grsecurity really mattx86: I'll clear out some old/test virtual machines and give openbsd a go vcs: hell even microsoft has most of PaX features these days haha
time for linux distros to stop slacking :P mattx86: orly :P -: vcs glares at ubuntu mattx86: from what I hear, debian and ubuntu are falling apart vcs: i dont know about debian but ubuntu from what i have seen has had alot of issues lately
pulseaudio, upstart, and the noveua driver have caused alot of problems
of course noveau is not ubuntu exclusive
but pulseaudio and upstart have had alot of problems for many users mattx86: same for opensuse.. some issues anyways vcs: its funny how stable archlinux is, considering the rolling release system and new package versions mattx86: I remember the time pulseaudio allowed me to turn the volume up to like 3000% or some crap
boy was that loud vcs: haha mattx86: wonder it didn't wake the household
(at night) vcs: I wrote a projectM plugin for exaile music player to bypass having to use pulseaudio
the thing ticked me off so much
hardware mixing and dmix work fine, thanks :) mattx86: wait, archlinux is 'stable' ?
oh man, the package updates breaking stuff is what drove me away from arch
but that's been 4-5 years ago vcs: hmm well i have several arch systems i have been running 2-3 years with little to no problems
seems to me like they have some real talent making / maintaining packages these days
maybe all the old tallnt from gentoo jumped ship ;) mattx86: like, you would constantly have to update files in /etc in order to maintain a bootable system..
sometimes you'd have to watch the website and/or forums for workarounds o_O vcs: i think that has maybe happened to me once with /etc/shadow mattx86: while in the mean time, you mostly had to wait it out vcs: arch has grown alot it seems mattx86: but if you're not experiencing update hell with arch, then I'll give it another go as well
I absolutely hate updating the same 5 files in /etc for every update that comes out for it
or what not vcs: heh, i have not really noticed much of that at all with these 3 boxs mattx86: the move to udev I think it was, was a nightmare vcs: haha
yeah... mattx86: on top of the issues that had cropped up prior to that vcs: well linux was still maturing alot in those past years mattx86: I'm hoping things will kinda level off for a bit, but before you know it, we'll be at kernel 2.8 lol vcs: haha yeah
2.6 is shaping up pretty nicely mattx86: yeah vcs: still wish more hardware vendors would play nicer mattx86: I'm sitting happy currently with nvidia and the recent support of my creative x-fi sound card
well, x-fi support has been around for the past year or two actually vcs: nvidia makes a nice blob mattx86: heh that they do :P vcs: their drivers are top notch imo, i just wish they would merge it into the kernel tree :X
so i would not have to recompile for custom kernels all the time mattx86: I do for every kernel update on opensuse
but I should see about going back to nvidia repo updates and what not
cant remember what issue i had with it
I recently made out a checklist for kernel updates heh vcs: the only driver besides nvidia that works on my 7800gt is vesa
nv and noveau crash my system
i suppose thats because poor hardware documentation
well, no hardware documentation
nvidia should at least open source 2d acceleration mattx86: had nvidia not opened up at all? vcs: nope
ATI/AMD did, but the results are not useable yet mattx86: well, as long as linux remains strong and nvidia continues to develop drivers for it, I'm happy vcs: yeah mattx86: yeah, that's what I'd heard - it was ATI/AMD that opened up vcs: still though, writing drivers for those cards are no joke mattx86: maybe nvidia will follow suit, but that may be years from now vcs: nvidia cant because of NDA's they signed with their contractors
or something like that mattx86: ah vcs: some sort of agreements and IP liscenseing mattx86: doesn't that sort of thing expire after a while? or would they likely have to rewrite it all from scratch if they were going to
wouldn't that be something if nvidia supported one of the open source drivers, in favor of their own proprietary drivers vcs: if its anything like US patent law
will expire in 10 trillion years mattx86: heh wow vcs: well im off to bed, got work early in the AM, was good talking to you ***: fink has joined #arpnetworks mattx86: alrighty
same
later man ***: fink has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) mattx86: someone posted this in another channel earlier tonight and I thought you guys might like it:
http://hivelogic.com/articles/top-10-programming-fonts
fwiw, I'm currently enjoying the Liberation Mono font ***: sentabi has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)