for the sms discussion above, there's a wikipedia article listing all known carriers and email to sms gateways for each of them
toddf: how has your conserver sessions to me been holding up?  I changed the 'restart' to 'reload' in my scripts, so you shouldn't get kicked off now
cd $sleep
up_the_irons: yayzorz! and yes they've been much more stable, thanks!
fwiw, I have conserver running ssh with an rsa key to log the console of my vps from remote
toddf: roger that, glad to hear.  that's also a pretty cool setup
Okay, now I'm mad
they've stopped selling my favorite chili sauce
:(
I'm gonna kill someone
what one was that?
yeah, what was it called?
Uhm... I don't know really. "Sweet chili ketchup sauce" the bottle said :P
up_the_irons: the `fwiw' was more for the other guys in here, I suspect you might remember my setup .. ;-)
weird... I can't reach red.stonehenge.com from miredo any more.  only proper ipv6
but I can get to ipv6.google.com from miredo
and also from red.stonehenge.com :)
so there's some sort of weird split with regard to miredo gateways
s/miredo/teredo/g if that makes more sense to you
miredo is a specific implementation of teredo
there's a reason comcast concluded native dual stack is better than tunneling varients
well - oddly, I can ping red from my he.net tunnel
but not from my laptop (teredo assigned)
so it's probably some discontinuity in the teredo overlap
traceroute6 ?
one row of stars
one row of !A
from my addr 2001::4137:9e74:0:5331:33f2:5cdb
lemme traceroute the other direction
!A = "access to the network is prohibited"
Yeah - weird.
so from red to my miredo node... fail
from my miredo node to red... fail
but red to anywhere else, or my miredo to anywhere else, no problem
and my he.net tunnel node can get to everything too
the only forbidden address is red.  I suspect something is misconfigured near ARP then
Hmm.  I remember up_the_irons mentioning something about running a teredo node "again"
maybe he started, but broke the config.
that would explain why arp <-> teredo is disconnected
I will be glad when such head wrenching tunnel look alike stuff is gone
he.net needs ipv6 tests for mysql, pgsql, and sshd
i was noticing my mysql bound to 127.0.0.1 thinking it should be bound to ipv6 localhost too
except,  mysql and pgsql shouldn't be publically available in all but a few specific cases ;)
true
but they are used over lans all the time
appX connecting to sqlY
and i shouldn't have to setup an ipv4 lan just for a webapp to talk to a db across the lan
though making it available for he.net to connect to is asking a bit much probably
RandalSchwartz: my 6to4 gateway was killed long ago; you shouldn't see issues b/c of that
I wonder what the problem could be then
miredo to everywhere except arp - ok
arp to everywhere except miredo - ok
miredo to arp - dead
although, maybe not *everywhere*
maybe it's even more local
anyone have a v6 at arp I could ping?
www.arpnetworks.com has no AAAA record
pshaw!
ping6 ipv6.google.com ?    6-for.me ?
oh weird.  now it works fine.
oh at arp
maybe a temporary bad route?
6-for.me is at arp
my fun hobby vps
yeah, that's working
even red works now again
magic!
0.v.freedaemon.com at arp
wow, for OpenBSD runnin on KVM, the I/O speed is not bad at all
not sure how you guys do it o.O
I guess the hosts are not your ordinary laptop with a 5400rpm drive :-p
haha
Nah, 7200 RPM. ;)
vcs: you will find as we have that the thundering herd problems can occur, but due to strategic modification of crontabs this is mostly a non issue; if everybody access the disks then the io can get saturated for bits of time, but last i heard about that issue was 6 months ago; I kid you not the vps at arp is faster than my real hw laptop
haha
(and if you end up doing any kernel debugging, infinitely more useful)
i tested out KVM on one of my colo boxes the other day with OpenBSD, of course I did not do much optimizations, etc, and ran the disk ontop of ext3, but i was getting 1M/S there
where i just tested and get 22M/S here
filesystem is not going to matter as much as the underlying disk infrastructure
fast raid foo backs the vps's at arp
yeah this was not on raid, running on an already overstressed hard disk
lol
then what do you expect?
maybe at least 5M/S?
ipv6'd afs? i mean magic. come on todd  =)
toddf: fritzing is very nice
fritzing?
/usr/ports/cad/fritzing  remember from a few weeks ago?
oh that thing
;-)
I had no idea there was a /usr/ports/cad
yes. and fritzing makes up for all the other stuff in there
k.
err
http://fritzing.org/
http://sqlrelay.sourceforge.net/
seems interesting, one could access postgresql from a mysql client, and vica versa
hmm
tho i can't imagine why i'd ever want to except in some random 1-off my-system-is-too-jacked-to-have-the-correct-client-installed situation
and yet it still looks sexy when i read it
hmm.  chris.insightcruises.com (kvr13) is hiccupping a lot
nagios already gave me one fail
about to give me another
it's not very busy
RandalSchwartz: no opsview yet?
not until it's a port :)
http://i.imgur.com/EpymO.jpg
the more I'm setting it up,  the more it's looking like I'll be replacing nagios.   If I do,  I'll contact them, and see if they'll let me work at porting.
RandalSchwartz: i was doing a large file copy; probably spiked the load a bit
ahh, ok
yeah - nothing flapping since 3:42
so I guess we're safe now
but 3:25 to 3:32 it looked dicey there. :)
I did find a config error with my web conf, so it was a good thing anyway.
geekcruises.com redirects to insightcruises.com using a named virtual
but I had forgotten to put the access and error log definitions in for it, so they were ending up in the base logs. :)
I couldn't figure out why my base logs were so big, and growing. they should have only one entry in them, at apache restart time
is geekcruises.com what I think it is?
How do I know what you *think* it is? :)
I know what it *is*.
oh, right... google brainscan is still in alpha
Hard to compare without the other datapoint.
;)
so what do you *think* it is?
or even better, go hit the website
then you'll *know* what it is, and you can compare yourself. :)
so was it?
i think geekcruises has something to do with ruises? like intreeg or conspeerasees
Lefty?
i just asked my bud and he says it's like boating in the med or something
or is that greekcruises
tough crowd
*golf clap*
RandalSchwartz: if I'm reading right, it's conferences, but on a cruise ship
indeed
is that what you thought it was?
sounds like a terrible way to spend vacation
but a great place to have work send you for "research"
RandalSchwartz: Not exactly, no :)  I thought it was a cruise tailored to the socially awkward :)
oh, you want nerdcruises.com
geek = cool
nerd = pocket protector
RandalSchwartz: so who goes on dorkcruises.com ?
people who are really, really into segways or pogo sticks?
fink: and Pokemon
Lefty: POGS
magicthegatheringcruises.com
heh, nerdcruises.com is available
harrypottertours.com
larpingatsea.com
HA
I've wanted to register "insidecruises.com" and put up a parody site, but I think neil would be upset :)
fink wins
Lefty: there must be a pirate joke in there, somewhere
geeks don't need pocket protectors cuz they type notes on their phones or pda's
you can dress up and pretend to be jack sparrow for 3 weeks
wallshot: then they need pocket armor
have you seen a LiOn battery explode?//
i just spent 3 days with bunch of people pretending to be jack sparrow
someone flickr'd photos of it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cwrazydog/5055896001/in/photostream/
wallshot: did you get a vps with arpnetworks?
yup, it's been fun
an excuse to figure out ipv6 was nice
i have to say, quitting linode was -awefully- easy
welcome to the club
in the interface, i was all "delete this linode"
and it went away so now ther'es nothing left for them to charge me for
what's crazy is how many providers actualy now think they can sell me ONE ipv6 address for 1$/month
lol @ one ipv6
they didn't read that RFC
man, they have that great offer where you get ONE free ipv6 address with every ipv4 address you buy!
how considerate :-p
i like how he.net will offer me a free /64 for tunneling, and let me bump it to a /48 if i want
wallshot: what's the story behind these photos?
fink: hundreds of drunken idiots sail out to catalina island for the weekend, and all day saturday is a big drunken pirate fest of wench clevage and some disturbingly real looking pirate costumes
catalina island?
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=catalina+island  pacific island not far off the coast of southern california
cool
i saw mention of pretending to be jack sparrow for 3 weeks and had pirates fresh on my brain from last weekend
wallshot: were you a pirate too?
my costume was shit
wallshot: you went as the poop deck?
some of the people who i went with had crazy costumes they'd spent the past few years adding to
lolz
wow
the idea of 3 weeks on the same boat with those drunk idiots kills me though
we barely survived 3 days on overcrowded 46 foot sailboat without killing each other
wallshot: we should do it
haha
bsd pirate adventure
wallshot: thanks to #arpnetworks and RandalSchwartz, we just came up with a kickass biz plan and now we need some funding
sounds like it's time to set sail and plunder the necessary funding
sure was a damn fun trip
like 60 hours in, 3rd day, out of fresh water except for partially emptied wounded soldiers people left around boat for previous 2 days, our captain is shouting at other boats we sail past that we'll trade our wenches for fresh water
wallshot: wounded soldiers? what?
oh it's what we call the half beer that some drunk leaves unfinished
tho on that trip most of the wounded soldiers were water bottles
I have enough free ipv6 addresses to enumerate the molecules of the earth. :)
Better get started. They aren't going get assigned themselves.
yes, but is there enough resources in an arp VPS to enumerate them and actually respond without swapping to death? ;-)
I fail to comprehend why any business plan must necessarily include going into debt; if the idea works, sell it to potential customers who then get early bird discounts and pave the way for the real business model
harder yes, but, you don't owe your coat to the bank then
there has to be some debt somewhere
either your personal time put in ahead of getting money
or money received ahead of finishing the value for the money
always debt
the product does not arrive instantaneous with the money, so therefore there is always debt on one side or the other
pay up front = cash debt
pay at finish = time debt
with no credit, its hard to even get started
most people dont have enough money in the bank to make an idea into something useable
its all about who you know, and the money in the bank
otherwise you are stuck going into debt
Anyone know if the arpnetworks account can use a public key? I want to disable password login on my VM, but still want that account to work for a clean shutdown
your OS doesn't respect ACPI?
or maybe it's APCI
the VM sends a "power down" signal first to your OS
if your OS does the right thing, no need for them to log in
I don't have their login on any of my boxes. :)
vcs?
oh no it should
haha
im using stock OpenBSD kernel, which has ACPI
yah so I guess I should not worry about that
so there ya go
just delete that account
sweet. ssh crack zombies are now useless :)
Woot, passed JNCIS-ENT today :D
is kvr13 down?
3 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2019ms
I think I'm going to ask to be moved off kvr13.   I've only been a paying customer for like a week and a half,  and this is the 3rd outage I've seen
fwiw, I've been logged into my vnc console on kvr13 since earlier in the week  (hadn't switched on networking yet though)
uptime is 4 days and 17h, 36m
this is since we wiped away routeros and reinstalled with alpine linux
on my vps
alpine linux looks nice, never heard of it before
i have always wondered why so many distros resist PaX by default
sure RHEL/Cent have exec shield, but everyone else?
yeah
selinux / apparmour is nice... but that is not fixing the root of most problems
also selinux / apparmour cause alot of problems when not configured perfectly or using 3rd party software
btw, alpine is reminiscent of arch, but in my view, alpine is more server-oriented than arch, what with all the server packages that are available
seems they should just grab PaX and not look back
I love archlinux
its my desktop distro
:)
for servers though, im an OpenBSD guy haha
ah
no worse feeling than having to wait for linux vendors to patch a 0day root exploit
and then rushing it at odd hours of the night
I've considered getting back into freebsd on and off recently, but alpine seems so simple to use
seems like alpine also has better security stack wise
yeah
FreeBSD is a great OS also, just wish they would be more proactive security wise besides propolice
alot of my friends FreeBSD boxes recently have been mysteriously rooted >_>
seriously?  wow
i think theres a 0day going around, but i wont speculate
could have been password / key stealing
who knows
yeah
interesting though
I just sleep better at night with OpenBSD :P
yeah, sounds reasonable
my problem with openbsd is that there's only a handful of packages available
but then again, I haven't tried openbsd in like 6 years probably
basically took one look and said wtf  ;)
well, all the important stuff for me (postgres, mysql, postfix, apache, bind) have packages in the repos available
and most of them are chrooted by default
also alot of other misc packages I have found in there as well
then moved onto freebsd and finally netbsd, before going with debian and then ubuntu server edition
I may have to check it out again
if you also look at OpenBSD security advisories, they have very few nowdays.
because they fixed almost everything already :P
nice :)
but yeah, I was pleasently supprised to find packages like znc, irssi, xchat, fluxbox, etc
I am planning on loading it on my netbook
it was like Archlinux, love at first sight :P
haha
cool
archlinux + grsecurity is a force to be reckoned with though
any distro with grsecurity really
I'll clear out some old/test virtual machines and give openbsd a go
hell even microsoft has most of PaX features these days haha
time for linux distros to stop slacking :P
orly :P
from what I hear, debian and ubuntu are falling apart
i dont know about debian but ubuntu from what i have seen has had alot of issues lately
pulseaudio, upstart, and the noveua driver have caused alot of problems
of course noveau is not ubuntu exclusive
but pulseaudio and upstart have had alot of problems for many users
same for opensuse..  some issues anyways
its funny how stable archlinux is, considering the rolling release system and new package versions
I remember the time pulseaudio allowed me to turn the volume up to like 3000% or some crap
boy was that loud
haha
wonder it didn't wake the household
(at night)
I wrote a projectM plugin for exaile music player to bypass having to use pulseaudio
the thing ticked me off so much
hardware mixing and dmix work fine, thanks :)
wait, archlinux is 'stable' ?
oh man, the package updates breaking stuff is what drove me away from arch
but that's been 4-5 years ago
hmm well i have several arch systems i have been running 2-3 years with little to no problems
seems to me like they have some real talent making  / maintaining packages these days
maybe all the old tallnt from gentoo jumped ship ;)
like, you would constantly have to update files in /etc in order to maintain a bootable system..
sometimes you'd have to watch the website and/or forums for workarounds o_O
i think that has maybe happened to me once with /etc/shadow
while in the mean time, you mostly had to wait it out
arch has grown alot it seems
but if you're not experiencing update hell with arch, then I'll give it another go as well
I absolutely hate updating the same 5 files in /etc for every update that comes out for it
or what not
heh, i have not really noticed much of that at all with these 3 boxs
the move to udev I think it was, was a nightmare
haha
yeah...
on top of the issues that had cropped up prior to that
well linux was still maturing alot in those past years
I'm hoping things will kinda level off for a bit, but before you know it, we'll be at kernel 2.8  lol
haha yeah
2.6 is shaping up pretty nicely
yeah
still wish more hardware vendors would play nicer
I'm sitting happy currently with nvidia and the recent support of my creative x-fi sound card
well, x-fi support has been around for the past year or two actually
nvidia makes a nice blob
heh  that they do :P
their drivers are top notch imo, i just wish they would merge it into the kernel tree :X
so i would not have to recompile for custom kernels all the time
I do for every kernel update on opensuse
but I should see about going back to nvidia repo updates and what not
cant remember what issue i had with it
I recently made out a checklist for kernel updates  heh
the only driver besides nvidia that works on my 7800gt is vesa
nv and noveau crash my system
i suppose thats because poor hardware documentation
well, no hardware documentation
nvidia should at least open source 2d acceleration
had nvidia not opened up at all?
nope
ATI/AMD did, but the results are not useable yet
well, as long as linux remains strong and nvidia continues to develop drivers for it, I'm happy
yeah
yeah, that's what I'd heard - it was ATI/AMD that opened up
still though, writing drivers for those cards are no joke
maybe nvidia will follow suit, but that may be years from now
nvidia cant because of NDA's they signed with their contractors
or something like that
ah
some sort of agreements and IP liscenseing
doesn't that sort of thing expire after a while?  or would they likely have to rewrite it all from scratch if they were going to
wouldn't that be something if nvidia supported one of the open source drivers, in favor of their own proprietary drivers
if its anything like US patent law
will expire in 10 trillion years
heh wow
well im off to bed, got work early in the AM, was good talking to you
alrighty
same
later man
someone posted this in another channel earlier tonight and I thought you guys might like it:
http://hivelogic.com/articles/top-10-programming-fonts
fwiw, I'm currently enjoying the Liberation Mono font