[01:06] *** LT has joined #arpnetworks [01:15] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [01:25] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [03:40] for the sms discussion above, there's a wikipedia article listing all known carriers and email to sms gateways for each of them [03:48] toddf: how has your conserver sessions to me been holding up? I changed the 'restart' to 'reload' in my scripts, so you shouldn't get kicked off now [03:53] cd $sleep [04:17] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [04:44] *** vinit has joined #arpnetworks [04:52] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [04:58] *** vinit has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [05:05] *** mjp has joined #arpnetworks [05:21] *** cedwards_ is now known as cedwards [05:22] *** cedwards has quit IRC (Changing host) [05:22] *** cedwards has joined #arpnetworks [05:36] *** LT has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [05:43] up_the_irons: yayzorz! and yes they've been much more stable, thanks! [05:44] fwiw, I have conserver running ssh with an rsa key to log the console of my vps from remote [05:50] *** LT has joined #arpnetworks [05:54] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [05:55] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [05:58] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [07:07] *** vcs has joined #arpnetworks [07:34] *** bharatak has joined #arpnetworks [07:42] *** Section9 has joined #arpnetworks [07:43] *** Section9 has left "Heading out of ehre" [07:49] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [09:16] *** LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [09:23] toddf: roger that, glad to hear. that's also a pretty cool setup [09:25] Okay, now I'm mad [09:25] they've stopped selling my favorite chili sauce [09:25] :( [09:26] I'm gonna kill someone [09:26] what one was that? [09:26] yeah, what was it called? [09:26] * up_the_irons starts getting ready to wander into the office [09:27] Uhm... I don't know really. "Sweet chili ketchup sauce" the bottle said :P [09:40] up_the_irons: the `fwiw' was more for the other guys in here, I suspect you might remember my setup .. ;-) [09:42] *** wallshot has joined #arpnetworks [10:21] *** owda has joined #arpnetworks [10:30] weird... I can't reach red.stonehenge.com from miredo any more. only proper ipv6 [10:30] but I can get to ipv6.google.com from miredo [10:30] and also from red.stonehenge.com :) [10:31] so there's some sort of weird split with regard to miredo gateways [10:31] s/miredo/teredo/g if that makes more sense to you [10:31] miredo is a specific implementation of teredo [10:55] there's a reason comcast concluded native dual stack is better than tunneling varients [10:59] well - oddly, I can ping red from my he.net tunnel [10:59] but not from my laptop (teredo assigned) [10:59] so it's probably some discontinuity in the teredo overlap [11:02] traceroute6 ? [11:04] one row of stars [11:05] one row of !A [11:05] from my addr 2001::4137:9e74:0:5331:33f2:5cdb [11:05] lemme traceroute the other direction [11:06] !A = "access to the network is prohibited" [11:07] Yeah - weird. [11:07] so from red to my miredo node... fail [11:07] from my miredo node to red... fail [11:08] but red to anywhere else, or my miredo to anywhere else, no problem [11:08] and my he.net tunnel node can get to everything too [11:08] the only forbidden address is red. I suspect something is misconfigured near ARP then [11:11] Hmm. I remember up_the_irons mentioning something about running a teredo node "again" [11:11] maybe he started, but broke the config. [11:12] that would explain why arp <-> teredo is disconnected [11:14] I will be glad when such head wrenching tunnel look alike stuff is gone [11:15] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [11:30] he.net needs ipv6 tests for mysql, pgsql, and sshd [11:31] i was noticing my mysql bound to 127.0.0.1 thinking it should be bound to ipv6 localhost too [11:35] except, mysql and pgsql shouldn't be publically available in all but a few specific cases ;) [11:35] true [11:35] but they are used over lans all the time [11:35] appX connecting to sqlY [11:36] and i shouldn't have to setup an ipv4 lan just for a webapp to talk to a db across the lan [11:36] though making it available for he.net to connect to is asking a bit much probably [11:55] *** schmir has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [12:24] RandalSchwartz: my 6to4 gateway was killed long ago; you shouldn't see issues b/c of that [12:26] I wonder what the problem could be then [12:26] miredo to everywhere except arp - ok [12:26] arp to everywhere except miredo - ok [12:26] miredo to arp - dead [12:26] although, maybe not *everywhere* [12:27] maybe it's even more local [12:27] anyone have a v6 at arp I could ping? [12:27] www.arpnetworks.com has no AAAA record [12:27] pshaw! [12:30] ping6 ipv6.google.com ? 6-for.me ? [12:30] oh weird. now it works fine. [12:30] oh at arp [12:30] maybe a temporary bad route? [12:30] 6-for.me is at arp [12:31] my fun hobby vps [12:31] yeah, that's working [12:31] even red works now again [12:31] magic! [12:38] 0.v.freedaemon.com at arp [12:39] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [12:52] *** cmeiklejohn has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) [12:52] *** infrared_ has joined #arpnetworks [12:53] *** cmeiklejohn has joined #arpnetworks [12:59] *** shatt_ has joined #arpnetworks [13:01] *** shatt has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:03] *** infrared has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [13:03] *** sentabi has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [13:04] *** sentabi has joined #arpnetworks [13:18] *** mattx86 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [13:20] *** mattx86 has joined #arpnetworks [13:21] *** schmir has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [13:26] *** tinono has joined #arpnetworks [13:42] wow, for OpenBSD runnin on KVM, the I/O speed is not bad at all [13:42] not sure how you guys do it o.O [13:44] I guess the hosts are not your ordinary laptop with a 5400rpm drive :-p [13:47] haha [13:53] Nah, 7200 RPM. ;) [13:54] vcs: you will find as we have that the thundering herd problems can occur, but due to strategic modification of crontabs this is mostly a non issue; if everybody access the disks then the io can get saturated for bits of time, but last i heard about that issue was 6 months ago; I kid you not the vps at arp is faster than my real hw laptop [13:55] haha [13:56] (and if you end up doing any kernel debugging, infinitely more useful) [13:56] i tested out KVM on one of my colo boxes the other day with OpenBSD, of course I did not do much optimizations, etc, and ran the disk ontop of ext3, but i was getting 1M/S there [13:56] where i just tested and get 22M/S here [13:57] filesystem is not going to matter as much as the underlying disk infrastructure [13:57] fast raid foo backs the vps's at arp [13:57] yeah this was not on raid, running on an already overstressed hard disk [13:57] lol [13:58] then what do you expect? [13:58] maybe at least 5M/S? [13:59] ipv6'd afs? i mean magic. come on todd =) [13:59] toddf: fritzing is very nice [13:59] fritzing? [14:01] /usr/ports/cad/fritzing remember from a few weeks ago? [14:01] oh that thing [14:01] ;-) [14:01] I had no idea there was a /usr/ports/cad [14:02] yes. and fritzing makes up for all the other stuff in there [14:03] k. [14:03] err [14:03] http://fritzing.org/ [14:12] *** bharatak has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [14:21] * mike-burns installs that, plays with it. [14:24] http://sqlrelay.sourceforge.net/ [14:24] seems interesting, one could access postgresql from a mysql client, and vica versa [14:26] hmm [14:27] *** owda has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [14:29] *** nesta has quit IRC (Quit: later skater!) [14:32] *** nesta has joined #arpnetworks [14:57] tho i can't imagine why i'd ever want to except in some random 1-off my-system-is-too-jacked-to-have-the-correct-client-installed situation [14:57] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [14:58] and yet it still looks sexy when i read it [15:43] hmm. chris.insightcruises.com (kvr13) is hiccupping a lot [15:43] nagios already gave me one fail [15:43] about to give me another [15:44] it's not very busy [15:44] RandalSchwartz: no opsview yet? [15:44] not until it's a port :) [15:46] http://i.imgur.com/EpymO.jpg [15:46] the more I'm setting it up, the more it's looking like I'll be replacing nagios. If I do, I'll contact them, and see if they'll let me work at porting. [15:56] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [16:00] RandalSchwartz: i was doing a large file copy; probably spiked the load a bit [16:03] ahh, ok [16:03] yeah - nothing flapping since 3:42 [16:03] so I guess we're safe now [16:03] but 3:25 to 3:32 it looked dicey there. :) [16:04] I did find a config error with my web conf, so it was a good thing anyway. [16:04] geekcruises.com redirects to insightcruises.com using a named virtual [16:04] but I had forgotten to put the access and error log definitions in for it, so they were ending up in the base logs. :) [16:05] I couldn't figure out why my base logs were so big, and growing. they should have only one entry in them, at apache restart time [16:05] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [16:07] is geekcruises.com what I think it is? [16:08] How do I know what you *think* it is? :) [16:08] I know what it *is*. [16:08] oh, right... google brainscan is still in alpha [16:08] Hard to compare without the other datapoint. [16:09] ;) [16:09] so what do you *think* it is? [16:09] or even better, go hit the website [16:09] then you'll *know* what it is, and you can compare yourself. :) [16:12] so was it? [16:12] i think geekcruises has something to do with ruises? like intreeg or conspeerasees [16:12] Lefty? [16:13] i just asked my bud and he says it's like boating in the med or something [16:13] or is that greekcruises [16:16] tough crowd [16:17] *golf clap* [16:25] *** nerdd_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [16:27] *** nerdd has joined #arpnetworks [16:28] RandalSchwartz: if I'm reading right, it's conferences, but on a cruise ship [16:35] indeed [16:35] is that what you thought it was? [16:38] sounds like a terrible way to spend vacation [16:38] but a great place to have work send you for "research" [16:45] RandalSchwartz: Not exactly, no :) I thought it was a cruise tailored to the socially awkward :) [16:45] oh, you want nerdcruises.com [16:45] geek = cool [16:45] nerd = pocket protector [16:46] RandalSchwartz: so who goes on dorkcruises.com ? [16:47] people who are really, really into segways or pogo sticks? [16:48] fink: and Pokemon [16:48] Lefty: POGS [16:48] magicthegatheringcruises.com [16:48] heh, nerdcruises.com is available [16:48] harrypottertours.com [16:49] larpingatsea.com [16:49] HA [16:49] I've wanted to register "insidecruises.com" and put up a parody site, but I think neil would be upset :) [16:49] fink wins [16:49] Lefty: there must be a pirate joke in there, somewhere [16:50] geeks don't need pocket protectors cuz they type notes on their phones or pda's [16:50] you can dress up and pretend to be jack sparrow for 3 weeks [16:50] wallshot: then they need pocket armor [16:50] have you seen a LiOn battery explode?// [16:51] i just spent 3 days with bunch of people pretending to be jack sparrow [16:52] someone flickr'd photos of it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cwrazydog/5055896001/in/photostream/ [16:54] wallshot: did you get a vps with arpnetworks? [16:55] yup, it's been fun [16:55] an excuse to figure out ipv6 was nice [16:56] * wallshot is appreciative for the big fat /48 [16:56] i have to say, quitting linode was -awefully- easy [16:56] welcome to the club [16:57] in the interface, i was all "delete this linode" [16:57] and it went away so now ther'es nothing left for them to charge me for [16:57] what's crazy is how many providers actualy now think they can sell me ONE ipv6 address for 1$/month [16:57] lol @ one ipv6 [16:57] they didn't read that RFC [16:58] man, they have that great offer where you get ONE free ipv6 address with every ipv4 address you buy! [16:58] how considerate :-p [17:00] i like how he.net will offer me a free /64 for tunneling, and let me bump it to a /48 if i want [17:00] wallshot: what's the story behind these photos? [17:01] fink: hundreds of drunken idiots sail out to catalina island for the weekend, and all day saturday is a big drunken pirate fest of wench clevage and some disturbingly real looking pirate costumes [17:01] catalina island? [17:02] http://maps.google.com/maps?q=catalina+island pacific island not far off the coast of southern california [17:02] cool [17:03] i saw mention of pretending to be jack sparrow for 3 weeks and had pirates fresh on my brain from last weekend [17:03] wallshot: were you a pirate too? [17:03] my costume was shit [17:04] wallshot: you went as the poop deck? [17:04] some of the people who i went with had crazy costumes they'd spent the past few years adding to [17:04] lolz [17:04] wow [17:04] the idea of 3 weeks on the same boat with those drunk idiots kills me though [17:04] we barely survived 3 days on overcrowded 46 foot sailboat without killing each other [17:05] wallshot: we should do it [17:05] haha [17:05] bsd pirate adventure [17:05] wallshot: thanks to #arpnetworks and RandalSchwartz, we just came up with a kickass biz plan and now we need some funding [17:06] sounds like it's time to set sail and plunder the necessary funding [17:07] sure was a damn fun trip [17:08] like 60 hours in, 3rd day, out of fresh water except for partially emptied wounded soldiers people left around boat for previous 2 days, our captain is shouting at other boats we sail past that we'll trade our wenches for fresh water [17:12] wallshot: wounded soldiers? what? [17:13] oh it's what we call the half beer that some drunk leaves unfinished [17:13] tho on that trip most of the wounded soldiers were water bottles [17:32] *** wallshot has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [17:42] *** tinono has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [17:44] *** mattx86 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [17:45] *** mattx86 has joined #arpnetworks [18:13] *** tinono has joined #arpnetworks [18:42] I have enough free ipv6 addresses to enumerate the molecules of the earth. :) [18:47] Better get started. They aren't going get assigned themselves. [18:49] *** tinono has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [19:10] yes, but is there enough resources in an arp VPS to enumerate them and actually respond without swapping to death? ;-) [19:10] I fail to comprehend why any business plan must necessarily include going into debt; if the idea works, sell it to potential customers who then get early bird discounts and pave the way for the real business model [19:11] harder yes, but, you don't owe your coat to the bank then [19:12] *** vmmello has joined #arpnetworks [19:19] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [19:19] there has to be some debt somewhere [19:20] either your personal time put in ahead of getting money [19:20] or money received ahead of finishing the value for the money [19:20] always debt [19:20] the product does not arrive instantaneous with the money, so therefore there is always debt on one side or the other [19:20] pay up front = cash debt [19:20] pay at finish = time debt [19:21] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [19:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [19:26] *** mike-burns is now known as mike-burns_ [19:27] *** mike-burns has joined #arpnetworks [19:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mike-burns [19:30] *** mike-burns_ has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1) [19:50] with no credit, its hard to even get started [19:50] most people dont have enough money in the bank to make an idea into something useable [19:51] its all about who you know, and the money in the bank [19:51] otherwise you are stuck going into debt [20:09] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [20:31] Anyone know if the arpnetworks account can use a public key? I want to disable password login on my VM, but still want that account to work for a clean shutdown [20:38] your OS doesn't respect ACPI? [20:38] or maybe it's APCI [20:38] the VM sends a "power down" signal first to your OS [20:39] if your OS does the right thing, no need for them to log in [20:39] I don't have their login on any of my boxes. :) [20:39] vcs? [20:42] oh no it should [20:42] haha [20:42] im using stock OpenBSD kernel, which has ACPI [20:42] yah so I guess I should not worry about that [20:43] so there ya go [20:43] just delete that account [20:48] sweet. ssh crack zombies are now useless :) [20:51] Woot, passed JNCIS-ENT today :D [20:58] *** CRowen has joined #arpnetworks [21:07] is kvr13 down? [21:08] 3 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2019ms [21:09] I think I'm going to ask to be moved off kvr13. I've only been a paying customer for like a week and a half, and this is the 3rd outage I've seen [21:43] *** vmmello has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [21:45] fwiw, I've been logged into my vnc console on kvr13 since earlier in the week (hadn't switched on networking yet though) [21:45] uptime is 4 days and 17h, 36m [21:46] this is since we wiped away routeros and reinstalled with alpine linux [21:46] on my vps [21:52] alpine linux looks nice, never heard of it before [21:52] i have always wondered why so many distros resist PaX by default [21:52] sure RHEL/Cent have exec shield, but everyone else? [21:53] yeah [21:53] selinux / apparmour is nice... but that is not fixing the root of most problems [21:54] also selinux / apparmour cause alot of problems when not configured perfectly or using 3rd party software [21:54] btw, alpine is reminiscent of arch, but in my view, alpine is more server-oriented than arch, what with all the server packages that are available [21:54] seems they should just grab PaX and not look back [21:54] I love archlinux [21:54] its my desktop distro [21:54] :) [21:54] for servers though, im an OpenBSD guy haha [21:55] ah [21:55] no worse feeling than having to wait for linux vendors to patch a 0day root exploit [21:55] and then rushing it at odd hours of the night [21:56] I've considered getting back into freebsd on and off recently, but alpine seems so simple to use [21:56] seems like alpine also has better security stack wise [21:57] *** sentabi has quit IRC (Changing host) [21:57] *** sentabi has joined #arpnetworks [21:57] yeah [21:57] FreeBSD is a great OS also, just wish they would be more proactive security wise besides propolice [21:57] alot of my friends FreeBSD boxes recently have been mysteriously rooted >_> [21:58] seriously? wow [21:58] i think theres a 0day going around, but i wont speculate [21:58] could have been password / key stealing [21:58] who knows [21:58] yeah [21:58] interesting though [21:58] I just sleep better at night with OpenBSD :P [21:59] yeah, sounds reasonable [21:59] my problem with openbsd is that there's only a handful of packages available [22:00] but then again, I haven't tried openbsd in like 6 years probably [22:00] basically took one look and said wtf ;) [22:00] well, all the important stuff for me (postgres, mysql, postfix, apache, bind) have packages in the repos available [22:00] and most of them are chrooted by default [22:00] also alot of other misc packages I have found in there as well [22:01] then moved onto freebsd and finally netbsd, before going with debian and then ubuntu server edition [22:01] I may have to check it out again [22:02] if you also look at OpenBSD security advisories, they have very few nowdays. [22:02] because they fixed almost everything already :P [22:02] nice :) [22:02] but yeah, I was pleasently supprised to find packages like znc, irssi, xchat, fluxbox, etc [22:03] I am planning on loading it on my netbook [22:03] it was like Archlinux, love at first sight :P [22:03] haha [22:03] cool [22:05] archlinux + grsecurity is a force to be reckoned with though [22:05] any distro with grsecurity really [22:05] I'll clear out some old/test virtual machines and give openbsd a go [22:05] hell even microsoft has most of PaX features these days haha [22:05] time for linux distros to stop slacking :P [22:05] orly :P [22:06] * vcs glares at ubuntu [22:07] from what I hear, debian and ubuntu are falling apart [22:07] i dont know about debian but ubuntu from what i have seen has had alot of issues lately [22:07] pulseaudio, upstart, and the noveua driver have caused alot of problems [22:08] of course noveau is not ubuntu exclusive [22:08] but pulseaudio and upstart have had alot of problems for many users [22:08] same for opensuse.. some issues anyways [22:08] its funny how stable archlinux is, considering the rolling release system and new package versions [22:08] I remember the time pulseaudio allowed me to turn the volume up to like 3000% or some crap [22:09] boy was that loud [22:09] haha [22:09] wonder it didn't wake the household [22:09] (at night) [22:09] I wrote a projectM plugin for exaile music player to bypass having to use pulseaudio [22:09] the thing ticked me off so much [22:09] hardware mixing and dmix work fine, thanks :) [22:10] wait, archlinux is 'stable' ? [22:10] oh man, the package updates breaking stuff is what drove me away from arch [22:11] but that's been 4-5 years ago [22:11] hmm well i have several arch systems i have been running 2-3 years with little to no problems [22:11] seems to me like they have some real talent making / maintaining packages these days [22:12] maybe all the old tallnt from gentoo jumped ship ;) [22:12] like, you would constantly have to update files in /etc in order to maintain a bootable system.. [22:12] sometimes you'd have to watch the website and/or forums for workarounds o_O [22:12] i think that has maybe happened to me once with /etc/shadow [22:12] while in the mean time, you mostly had to wait it out [22:13] arch has grown alot it seems [22:13] but if you're not experiencing update hell with arch, then I'll give it another go as well [22:14] I absolutely hate updating the same 5 files in /etc for every update that comes out for it [22:14] or what not [22:14] heh, i have not really noticed much of that at all with these 3 boxs [22:15] the move to udev I think it was, was a nightmare [22:15] haha [22:15] yeah... [22:15] on top of the issues that had cropped up prior to that [22:16] well linux was still maturing alot in those past years [22:16] I'm hoping things will kinda level off for a bit, but before you know it, we'll be at kernel 2.8 lol [22:17] haha yeah [22:17] 2.6 is shaping up pretty nicely [22:17] yeah [22:17] still wish more hardware vendors would play nicer [22:18] I'm sitting happy currently with nvidia and the recent support of my creative x-fi sound card [22:18] well, x-fi support has been around for the past year or two actually [22:18] nvidia makes a nice blob [22:18] heh that they do :P [22:18] their drivers are top notch imo, i just wish they would merge it into the kernel tree :X [22:19] so i would not have to recompile for custom kernels all the time [22:19] I do for every kernel update on opensuse [22:19] but I should see about going back to nvidia repo updates and what not [22:19] cant remember what issue i had with it [22:20] I recently made out a checklist for kernel updates heh [22:20] the only driver besides nvidia that works on my 7800gt is vesa [22:20] nv and noveau crash my system [22:20] i suppose thats because poor hardware documentation [22:20] well, no hardware documentation [22:21] nvidia should at least open source 2d acceleration [22:21] had nvidia not opened up at all? [22:21] nope [22:21] ATI/AMD did, but the results are not useable yet [22:21] well, as long as linux remains strong and nvidia continues to develop drivers for it, I'm happy [22:22] yeah [22:22] yeah, that's what I'd heard - it was ATI/AMD that opened up [22:22] still though, writing drivers for those cards are no joke [22:22] maybe nvidia will follow suit, but that may be years from now [22:22] nvidia cant because of NDA's they signed with their contractors [22:23] or something like that [22:23] ah [22:23] some sort of agreements and IP liscenseing [22:23] doesn't that sort of thing expire after a while? or would they likely have to rewrite it all from scratch if they were going to [22:24] wouldn't that be something if nvidia supported one of the open source drivers, in favor of their own proprietary drivers [22:25] if its anything like US patent law [22:25] will expire in 10 trillion years [22:25] heh wow [22:27] well im off to bed, got work early in the AM, was good talking to you [22:28] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [22:29] alrighty [22:29] same [22:29] later man [22:40] *** fink has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [23:42] someone posted this in another channel earlier tonight and I thought you guys might like it: [23:42] http://hivelogic.com/articles/top-10-programming-fonts [23:43] fwiw, I'm currently enjoying the Liberation Mono font [23:59] *** sentabi has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)