Hello...no one here...
maybe everyone is sleeping ;)
wakey wakey from northern europe :)
hello
ww: hello
ww: good day
i'm awake :)
10am uk time :D
Hello
hello bob^^
My IRC server just got attacked by someone hosted on your servers
irc.slashnet.org
IP resolved to 1.4ghz.org
174.136.105.85
Where can I report abuse?
zok: support@arpnetworks.com
what's the usual turnaround on a support request?
based on the signup process i'm guessing to be patient and expect 24-48 hours for a response
depending on the support request, maintenance style ones tend to happen in the evenings so it depends on when you place it
reverse dns request
of the "plz make this ptr record" variety
i threw the request in in the middle of the night, so already it was destined to go unobserved for hours. =) i'm just twitchy and suspecting i'm being a bit too obsessive by refreshing the ticket details repeatedly
wallshot: i get to that tonight
cool!
hey, any you guys happen to know Juniper stuff?
not i
nor i
no probs
hey wallshot.
Hitting "refresh" doesn't make it happen any faster. :)
if only
wallshot:  are you trying to get delegation of ipv4 or ipv6, or both?
wallshot: have you tried f5?
:P
alt+f4?
whatever works
I don't have bind setup for it yet, so didn't request delegation.  Just a ptr for ipv4 and ipv6
alt+f4 gives me System Preferences
:)
wallshot: hehe  you wouldn't happen to be working towards he.net's ipv6 certification would ya?
i saw you caught up to me early early this morning
yeah i'm wondering how many requests they get from peopel eager to get to the next step
it's a fun challenge
i had no luck at all with he.net tunnel broker
ended up using freenet6.net's gw6c
I'd say,  ask for the delegation.  I think the point is that *you* can do it,  not get your provider to do it ;p
yeh i was up past 3am playing with the crap, and realized after i put in the request that it felt like cheatingf
speaking of which,  I guess I should ask for delegation too.
brb.
I setup my AAAA, and MX records, clearly i'm supposed to setup my reverse
up_the_irons: on that routeros install, I think I figured it out; I believe routeros does not support virtio for running as a kvm guest.. I've gone ahead and sent an e-mail to the company and asked for support for it (because as I understand, virtio is faster)
but he.net didn't have a step "verify we can make ipv6 dns requests" to get me to setup bind, so that hurdle's still sitting there
i suppose i could request the delegation and setup bind later
yeah
i'll update my ticket
up_the_irons: if that's the case, would it be too much trouble to switch me over to regular IDE+NIC emulation?  TIA
wallshot: keep in mind,  the next level, is to make sure your authoratative NS's for that domain, have AAAA records, and answer on ipv6.
haha
this game is awesome
it's cool how competing for a meaningless title of Sage has gotten people to get smart about ipv6
meaningless?
HONOR AND GLORY!
RandalSchwartz: I think it's ingenious.  I've played with ipv6 on and off for a couple of years..  but until the he.net certification thing..  ever had anything "practical" to do with it since it's not overly common.
i've seen it as kernel option for a decade
and not once assigned myself an ipv6 address
until arp networks said "o hai have this /48"
and he.net said "oh hai, learn something u tard"
and i was like "o what fun!"
never did get he.net's tunnel broker working, had to go with freenet6.net
could be the fault of the NAT and routers i was behind
guru level =,  each authoratative NS has a AAAA record, and responds to DNS requests via ipv6.   sage level =  your registrar has glue records for those DNS servers on ipv6
after sage,  there is something about points.  not quite sure what that is yet.
hmmm i wonder if my registrar will cut it
i saw 1 of 100 ping daily points
i'm guessing it's a challenge to keep 100 days uptime, or close enough that it fools the daily ping test?
just a wild guess
ahh,  I thought it was about finding 1500 other ipv6 enabled machines..  or something.  dunno.
we'll find out at some point.
that sounds like a script kiddy's dream come true
heh.
yup!
it's a fun level grind, way less repetitive than world of warcraft
back for a moment
wallshot - does your registar allow you to add AAAA records for your nameservers?
for example, hover.net *doesn't*
RandalSchwartz: yeah i expected to have to point the domain at like he.net's free dns service
but godaddy had AAAA option in there under their "total dns" control tool
you can also setup v6 (AAAA) glue records for your own nameservers at godaddy if you don't use them to host the dns too
toddf: really?   where is that?
wait, nevermind.  the domain I'm using doesn't have godaddy as the registrar.  so it doesn't matter.
.net and .com only, but when editing dns host glue on godaddy you can paste in v4 or v6 addresses, up to like 16 or so
hrm.
mmm glue
dont sniff it!
so, I've setup my reverse zones.  I've added the AAAA records for both my NS's,  and I've added the glue records at my registrar.   I'll be a Sage this evening or tomorrow.
nice!
i've hit refresh a lot :)
and still don't know how to glue ipv6 stuff together heh
wallshot: same way you eat an elephant, one nibble at a time
lol
as sad as it is,  the he.net cert thing is the most fun (and really,  education) I've gotten with ipv6 in a long time.
by the 2nd or 3rd test i was like "oooooooooh i c wut u did there"
but it's still fun enough for me to keep going
wallshot: btw:  being that we have a /46 through ARP..  I'm thinking it's be cake to alias a ton of IP's to the interface.  then from your he.net tunnel,  access each one to get to the 1500 points.
err /48
yeah our /48 certainly does give us some options
Hello. Just a quick question about upgrading. If I buy a small package, and then learn it's not enough diskspace, what's involved in upgrading? Will I need to reboot / rebuild? Or can I just do a growfs?
up_the_irons: actually, virtio appears to work for the NIC, so then I'll just need an IDE disk I believe
tooth: they'll have to shut down your instance, to add disk space.  then you can use your OS's tools to expand.
ah, thanks! I presume obsd can handle that fine
tooth: yes it can, might need to twiddle 'fdisk' or 'disklabel' but that's par for the course if you dd one disk to a bigger disk in real life ;-)
tooth: I've suggested having a 2nd disk as additional storage for arpnetworks, but as all good suggestions go, it takes time to implement ;-)
hi
I pay a new VPS , what time I need to wait for get it?
I hear it takes about 24h or so
i found it hard to be so patient
are you using VPS?
but then i saw that ipv6 block and was like "ooooh"
Heheh yeah. When I got mine I was pretty excited.  But it's worth the wait :)
i think it took them about 20 hours or so to get mine setup
oh yeah, how big is that ipv6 block?
they assign a /64
thanks I wait it
but they allocate an entire /48
say to just put in support request when we're ready to use it and they'll setup the local link for the rest of the /48
wallshot: the idea is, /64 is std for `link local' and `route the rest' so you get to decide what IPv6 IP you want the rest routed to on your vps
that's sexy
yeah, you can use pf to rdr for entire /64's incase you're not wanting to do aliases or setup your own tunnels to remote stuff etc
you guys know of any way to make firefox choose ipv6 over ipv4 when it has a choice?
seems opera prefers ipv6 but ff always goes ipv4
that would have to do with both your os and your browser's source
some retarded browsers use the first af returned by the os's resolver library
ooh.   i half expected about:config to have an option on which to prefer, but the only relevant option was to disable ipv6 entirely
in OpenBSD you can say 'family inet6 inet4' to prefer v6 first, or 'family inet4 inet6' to prefer the reverse or even 'family inet6' to ignore v4 when resolving things with the system resolver lib, the 'family' keyword goes into /etc/resolv.conf
hmmm if something like that is affecting it in fbsd, then oen of the browsers is ignoring it
either you have v6 connectivity or you don't, if you don't, any amount of v6 attempts will fail and quickly fall back to v4 anyway, why again would you want to disable v6 ? ;-)
the 'family' keyword is an OpenBSD thing
i can't imagine wanting to actually disable it
that's a rather silly option
but i guess if you're troubleshooting...
some people find that some insanely idiotic cheap NAT boxes actually stop resolving or have issues in general with AAAA requests
for MX records.  lets say I have an A record and AAAA record.  can I put them both as MX's with the same priority? or will that potentially cause issues for hosts that only have ipv4?
i used the same name
typically what I do is have MX hosts with both A and AAAA records
you're harming yourself if your highst priority MX is AAAA only, but that should be obvious
mail.domain is a cname to gotbsd.domain.  Which is defined as both A and AAAA.  which seemed to work great in my testing
toddf: ok, so the resolver library doesn't differentiate based on record type,  only priority?
I'll occasionally use a MX host that's v6 only but not the highest priority
a properly written application should take all addresses returned by getaddrinfo(3) and iterate over them until it gets a connection
the system resolver is system dependent of course but traditionally it's given v6 first v4 wnd in the lists
right, thats the assumption I'm working on.
ok, thanks for the info.
be ware that there are some improperly written apps that need a hammer taken to them, but that's another topic ;-)
welp! I bought a VPS
congratz!
now we can all stare at up_the_irons and wait patiently
like a cat staring u in the face waiting for you to wake up and feed it
I'm going home.  have fun.
cya!
hi
shansa - either enter or leave.  stop slamming the door. :)
might be a good idea to say that when ve's in here.
ve?
gender neutral pronoun
in what langauge?
english.
nope.
not quite official
never heard of it
so it certainly hasn't gotten widespread announcement
That's fine, it's not exactly in the Oxford
or even in the press
or blogs
where did *you* hear about it?
There's a few. That's one that I like
"you know... me and my five buddies made it up one night over beer!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ve_%28pronoun%29#Invented_pronouns
Yeah - just reading that
new zealand writer.
no wonder I don't know about it
nothing makes it off that island :)
Heh, I read his stuff.
it's because the island isn't done with them yet
....no, I am not in NZ
;-)
middle earth then? :)  I hear that's close by
anyway, my joke is not to be directed *at* the person.  I was saying it because they in fact weren't here.
only the white north
jpalmer, you caught up to me @Admin
and now you're gonna skyrocket ahead with your whole reverse figured out already :P