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[00:37] <Hien> hello
[00:37] <Hien> anyone
[00:45] <bob^^> hi
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[00:48] <nesta> haha
[00:49] <bob^^> i scared him off :(
[00:49] <nesta> indeed
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[08:57] <ww> hello! just made an order for a freebsd host... looking for a new home for styx.org
[09:00] <jpalmer> ww: nice.  I just did the same.  suprisingly,  it's pleasantly more performant than I would have expected after dealing with certain other VPS's
[09:02] <ww> good to hear! we'll see how it goes, hasn't been set up yet (I just ordered it a few minutes ago)
[09:04] <ww> i'll just be happy not to be forced to use linux on it anymore - styx.org has been through sunos, hp-ux, irix, netbsd and linux, so this won't be the first os migration :)
[09:08] <jpalmer> cool.
[09:09] <jpalmer> btw:  they are a bit slow on provisioning (they do batch provisioning, rather than on-demand)  but after it's up..   it's pretty nice.
[09:09] <jpalmer> being able to reinstall the OS in any custom setup you want is incredibly nice too (I don't care for the "one big root" layout)
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[09:21] <bsd_man> I have just passed IPv6 cert http://ipv6.he.net/certification/scoresheet.php?pass_name=phanquochien
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[09:30] <RandalSchwartz> I just installed my 4th arp vps yesteray
[09:31] <ww> are they 32 or 64 bit?
[09:31] <RandalSchwartz> amd64, says my uname
[09:32] <ww> brilliant!
[09:32] <RandalSchwartz> all four of my boxes have zfs for /
[09:33] <ww> some software that i use for testing and experiments (4store, mongodb) doesn't play well with 32 bit addressing
[09:33] <RandalSchwartz> I did a FLOSS Weekly interview with one of the guys from 10gen about mongo
[09:34] <ww> RandalSchwartz: I'm new to zfs on freebsd. last i used it was with 5.X. may as well give it a try though
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[09:35] <ww> we (http://okfn.org/) did some experiments with storing rdf (json-serialised) in mongo
[09:36] <ww> unfortunately had to abandon it as most of our infrastructure is in aws... and 64 bit hosts are *expensive* there
[09:36] <RandalSchwartz> Yeah - I had insightcruises.com at EC2 for about 10 months
[09:36] <RandalSchwartz> now they're at ARP
[09:37] <jpalmer> my employer is looking for a decent VPS, but they use CentOS (which isn't mentioned on the supported platforms page)  so I think I'm going to email support, and see if they'll download a CentOS .iso,  and let me install it.  if all works well,  I may recommend them to my employer.
[09:37] <RandalSchwartz> as is stonehenge.com
[09:40] <ww> nice!
[09:41] <ww> i must admit i've never been much for perl though
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[09:43] <ww> i was frightened off of it by having to maintain really badly written network management scripts at e>Connect/Metronet/ATT Canada
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[09:44] <ww> some of my best friends have all sorts of wonderful stories about the london (uk) perlmongers through
[09:44] <ww> s/through/though/
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[09:52] <Hien> Hello
[09:58] <Hien> Hello RadalSchwartz
[10:00] <RandalSchwartz> hey
[10:04] <Hien> hi
[10:04] <Hien> :D
[10:04] <Hien> You have got new vps?
[10:15] <RandalSchwartz> which "you"?
[10:15] <RandalSchwartz> me?
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[10:20] <Hien> you
[10:20] <Hien> :D
[10:20] <Hien> Radal
[10:21] <RandalSchwartz> The one yesterday?  yes.
[10:21] <RandalSchwartz> already active
[10:24] <RandalSchwartz> took about three hours to configure the machine, and clone the web pages
[10:24] <RandalSchwartz> but now I have to wait to get a new secure certificate before I can make it go live.
[10:24] <RandalSchwartz> that'll have to wait until this evening
[10:29] <Hien> uhm,
[10:29] <Hien> How long you have got vps after make order?
[10:30] <RandalSchwartz> about a day
[10:30] <Hien> uhm.
[10:30] <ww> I'm expecting 24-48 hours - that's what it says on the website
[10:30] <Hien> I'm planning buy vps at arpnetworks in Oct
[10:31] <ww> Something to watch while you wait? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7190175107515525470#
[10:32] <Hien> cool
[10:32] <Hien> I go to bed now..because it's 12:35 AM in my country....good bye all...Good day to everyone ;)
[10:33] <ww> good evening!
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[16:16] <jpalmer> just curious,   I saw on the FAQ that there are a few supported OS's,  and that if we provide a link in wget format,  we can do custom OS installs..  is there a reason ubuntu and debian are the only linux distros offered?
[16:17] <mike-burns> So far as I know, no reason, just personal preference and experience. But up_the_irons might know more.
[16:20] <jpalmer> gotcha.  I'm a FreeBSD guy myself,  but..  I'm going to ask for CentOS so I can evaluate that combo (ARP/CentOS) for a client.  I'll revert back to FreeBSD in a few weeks.
[16:20] <jpalmer> thanks for the info
[16:28] <toddf> jpalmer: popular demand in general is the reasoning in general from what I understand, consider `supported' to mean `pre-installed image provided' and `unsupported' to mean `provide url to iso and install your own image' with misc details glossed over
[16:31] <jpalmer> that works for me.  with the console access,  I don't need to worry about support.  thanks for the explanations.
[16:52] <RandalSchwartz> in fact, I haven't used an ARP box yet where I left the orignal disk alone
[16:52] <RandalSchwartz> it'd be simpler for me if he'd just provision it bare. :)
[16:52] <RandalSchwartz> that way it'd come up on the cd install, and I could skip the F12 fretting around
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[16:59] <jdoe> the what?
[17:00] <jpalmer> I've never been a fan of a single / partition,  so even with the freebsd cd,  the first thing I did was reinstall ;)
[17:18] <RandalSchwartz> you know, hitting F12 to ask it to boot the cdrom instead of the disk
[17:18] <RandalSchwartz> if the disk was wiped, I could avoid that
[17:18] <RandalSchwartz> the nice thing about zfs is you can decide later
[17:19] <RandalSchwartz> one big zfs partition, and you can subvolume it as you wish
[17:19] <jpalmer> having never used xen,  is the virtual VNC /ipkvm setup a normal part of Xen?  or something ARP has done custom?
[17:19] <RandalSchwartz> it's probably off the shelf
[17:19] <RandalSchwartz> you have serial console access, and vnc access
[17:19] <RandalSchwartz> and a reboot interface to come at it from above
[17:20] <jpalmer> serial console I'm familiar with.  the custom vnc/ipkvm deal, I'm not familiar with.  It's pretty nice.
[17:50] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: the reason is, i simply haven't made template images for other Linux OS's; having focused on freebsd and openbsd, it is daunting to add even more linux distros
[17:55] <jpalmer> up_the_irons: when you say template images,  are you referring to kickstart scripts,  or are you doing something like remastering ISO's?
[17:56] <jpalmer> up_the_irons: and I want to be clear.  certainly not complaining or "faulting" anyone.  was more curious than anything.  it makes little difference to me, if I have to wait an extra day to install the intended OS.
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[21:10] <Hien> Hello
[21:10] <jpalmer> hola
[21:10] <Hien> Hola jpalmer
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[22:34] <Hien> Hello
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[22:58] <zhujiale> hello!
[22:58] <zhujiale> anyone sees that many ports install their configuration file read-only?
[22:58] <zhujiale> why would they do that?
[23:10] <up_the_irons> jpalmer: the template images are the ones I make to provision to customers
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