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[07:31] <dxtr> Guys
[07:31] <dxtr> What standard says each subnet size should be /64?
[07:49] <RandalSchwartz> for v6?
[07:50] <RandalSchwartz> with a /64, you can use a mechanical MAC-address-to-IP-address scheme
[07:50] <RandalSchwartz> that's why a /64
[07:50] <RandalSchwartz> no need for DHCP that way
[07:58] <dxtr> RandalSchwartz: Right :)
[07:58] <dxtr> also, election today
[07:58] <dxtr> I'm considering voting for a white power-party or something like that for the lols
[07:59] <dxtr> Yes, I take this very seriously
[08:00] <mike-burns> You could vote for a candidate with principles you support, for the lulz.
[08:01] <mike-burns> They tend to have no chance of winning.
[08:01] <dxtr> :p
[08:01] <mike-burns> (They do for me, anyway.)
[08:02] <dxtr> I will vote for something for the lulz every election (If I even vote) until one can vote over the internet or something here
[08:02] <dxtr> We have cheap high-speed connections to almost every home here, yet we can't even vote electronically
[08:02] <dxtr> That sucks
[08:03] <mike-burns> Yes, this is the problem with the political system. Once this is fixed, the elections will have no issues.
[08:04] <dxtr> Exactly! The one of the issues being I have to actually go outside to vote
[08:04] <dxtr> And one*
[08:05] <dxtr> I wanna be able to sit/lie in my bed, click a button and think "I just saved the world"
[08:05] <RandalSchwartz> Arrrrgh.
[08:05] <RandalSchwartz> ... http://www.talklikeapirate.com/
[08:06] <dxtr> Vote like a pirate
[08:06] <dxtr> Hmm.. That wasn't even funny considering we have the Pirate Party
[08:07] <dxtr> No.. Now I'll go outside
[08:07] * dxtr shrugs
[08:07] <dxtr> Anyway.. So long and thanks for all the fish
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[09:17] <mike-burns> 12:20:16 < Hien> How long you have used arpnetworks vps?
[09:17] <mike-burns> Hien: About a year now.
[09:18] <mike-burns> 12:21:02 < Hien> Arpnetworks provide vps fast?
[09:18] <mike-burns> Hien: I have to go but someone else in here can help you.
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[09:43] <RandalSchwartz> provisionin' my new arrrrrrrrrpnetworks box, arrrrr
[09:43] <RandalSchwartz> box #4 now
[09:43] <RandalSchwartz> well, virtual box. :)
[09:44] <Hien> :d
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[09:47] <RandalSchwartz> now to wipe the disk, arrrrr.
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[09:48] <Hien> :D
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[09:48] <RandalSchwartz> booted the cdrom arrrrr
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[09:49] <Hien> :D
[09:49] <RandalSchwartz> now to follow the instructions for zfs-boot-on-root
[09:49] <Hien> @RandalSchwartz: You have got new box arp vps ?
[09:49] <Hien> :D
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[09:57] <RandalSchwartz> I do
[09:57] <RandalSchwartz> box # 4
[09:57] <RandalSchwartz> boxes 1, 2, 3 already humming along
[09:57] <RandalSchwartz> now installing freebsd 8.1 on a zfs-on-root
[09:57] <RandalSchwartz> from the cd
[09:58] <nesta> good luck!
[09:58] <RandalSchwartz> it's only the tenth time or so that I've done it :)
[09:59] <RandalSchwartz> I'm finally starting to understand the steps, actually :)
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[10:25] <RandalSchwartz> ssh key set up.  dns pointing at right place
[10:26] <RandalSchwartz> now "portsnap fetch extract" to get the freshest ports
[10:26] <RandalSchwartz> then install portmaster :)
[10:28] <RandalSchwartz> I know this drill well
[10:30] <RandalSchwartz> and then screen, zsh, and emacs
[10:30] <RandalSchwartz> which all take a while
[10:30] <RandalSchwartz> and finally, apache, which is the whole point of this
[10:40] <RandalSchwartz> wow - I have to install Perl to install zsh? :)
[10:41] <RandalSchwartz> these dependencies are always interesting :)
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[10:44] <zhujiale> hello!
[10:44] <RandalSchwartz> hi!
[10:45] <zhujiale> I was wondering if NetBSD actualy worked OK with arpnetwork's VPSes
[10:45] <RandalSchwartz> it should
[10:45] <RandalSchwartz> using qemu, so no virtualization support required
[10:46] <RandalSchwartz> you can boot practically anything
[10:46] <fink_> RandalSchwartz: dos?
[10:46] <RandalSchwartz> I suspect so
[10:46] <zhujiale> yeah, but I remember back then, they tried adding it as an option for new VPSes, but gave up due to strange kernel panics
[10:47] <zhujiale> anyway I'll try it ~_~
[10:47] <RandalSchwartz> virtual machine panics, or did it burn the outer host?
[10:47] <RandalSchwartz> why netbsd and not freebsd?
[10:47] <zhujiale> I think VM panics. (thank god)
[10:48] <zhujiale> I'm much more familiar with netbsd, it feels like home. right now using freebsd, and actualy have no complaints
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[10:49] <RandalSchwartz> I transitioned from openbsd to freebsd 9 months ago
[10:49] <RandalSchwartz> couldn't be happier :)
[10:50] <zhujiale> yeah, FreeBSD is very well made I find. I was surprised actualy, having never touched it. I might very well keep it.
[10:50] <RandalSchwartz> can you use zfs for / on netbsd?
[10:51] <RandalSchwartz> I'm finding that to be a great asset
[10:51] <RandalSchwartz> zfs + pf firewall + an up-to-date ports system in freebsd
[10:52] <zhujiale> yeah... and freebsd-update
[10:54] <zhujiale> FreeBSD is great, I'm loving it. I should get a second vps to play around then :)
[10:55] <zhujiale> can you get a second vps and have it use your current IP ranges?
[10:55] <RandalSchwartz> yup
[10:55] <fink_> zhujiale: you can also use jails
[10:55] <RandalSchwartz> insightcruises.com now has 3 boxes in the same range
[10:56] <RandalSchwartz> interbox traffic doesn't count against your bandwidth, either
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[13:33] <RandalSchwartz> yeay... webserver mostly configured
[13:37] <nesta> w00t
[13:39] <RandalSchwartz> so we have a $20 server for mail and DNS, a $30 server for basic web, and a $60 server for heavy mod_perl and postgres
[13:54] <up_the_irons> RandalSchwartz: for the record, we never tried netbsd; i think zhujiale is mixing me up with someone else
[13:54] <RandalSchwartz> ok
[13:55] <nesta> up_the_irons: you have never had a NetBSD request?
[13:56] <up_the_irons> nesta: no, i *have* had NetBSD requests; but not very many.  just not enough time to do everything i want to do
[13:57] <nesta> okay
[13:57] <nesta> so you had requests. has anyone actually used NetBSD with you guys?
[13:58] <up_the_irons> nesta: not that i know of
[13:58] <nesta> ah okay
[13:58] <up_the_irons> i'm more than happy to put a NetBSD ISO into the CD-ROM for anyone; but they are on their own after that
[14:05] <RandalSchwartz> up_the_irons - there are *two* cdroms on my new box... luckily, freebsd 8.1 was the first disk. :)
[14:05] <RandalSchwartz> what is the other one?
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[15:19] <infrared> mmm nachos
[15:21] <up_the_irons> RandalSchwartz: that's a kvm bug i think; all VMs show two CD-ROMs, but they are identical
[15:22] <infrared> up_the_irons: ever thought about vmware esxi?
[15:22] <up_the_irons> infrared: never
[15:22] <infrared> why not?
[15:22] <up_the_irons> why?
[15:22] <up_the_irons> bloat, proprietary, need i say more?
[15:22] <infrared> i guess
[15:44] <dxtr> I'd say avoid VMware at all costs
[15:44] <dxtr> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11360495 \o
[15:56] <bob^^> i agree, avoid vmware
[15:56] <bob^^> performance is Not Good (tm)
[16:08] <dxtr> Anyway, I'm off for the night now
[16:08] <dxtr> I'll have to get up at 05:00
[16:08] <dxtr> That's in 3h50m
[16:08] <dxtr> So... Yeah.. Good night :)
[16:23] <jdoe> bob^^: heh, it's hands down better than kvm.
[16:23] <bob^^> really?
[16:23] <bob^^> i've found it's disk performance to be horrible (and i'm not alone in that)
[16:24] <jdoe> virtualized disk is always going to be horrible (unless you give it direct access to something, I guess)
[16:24] <jdoe> ... but even there it benches better. Heh.
[16:24] <bob^^> true, but even with 'direct' access i've still be unimpressed
[16:25] <bob^^> i like vmware for the desktop, though virtualbox is pretty fine these days
[16:25] <jdoe> the problem with vmware, the real problem with it, is that you have to shell out a lot of money to make esx/esxi/vsphere/whatever not suck (the management/admin crap)
[16:26] <jdoe> ... but it's a bit of a moot point, kvm, vbox etc. don't even compete in that space.
[16:26] <jdoe> ... so, you know...
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[20:11] <zhujiale> hi there
[20:12] <RandalSchwartz> hi
[20:13] <RandalSchwartz> ##smalltalk
[20:13] <RandalSchwartz> oops
[20:13] <fink_> heehaw
[20:15] <zhujiale> a few hours ago, I barely knew what :: standed for in an IPv6 address
[20:15] <zhujiale> now, I'm going to bed as a Sage
[20:15] <RandalSchwartz> and now you have full v6 connectivity? :)
[20:15] <RandalSchwartz> oh cool
[20:15] <RandalSchwartz> I have my sage too
[20:15] <zhujiale> :-p
[20:15] <zhujiale> I did it for the tshirt!
[20:15] <RandalSchwartz> I stopped at 1024 points
[20:15] <RandalSchwartz> not aiming for 1500
[20:16] <RandalSchwartz> 1024 sounds more fun
[20:16] <zhujiale> indeed
[20:16] <RandalSchwartz> ... http://ipv6.he.net/certification/scoresheet.php?pass_name=merlyn
[20:16] <RandalSchwartz> and I *do* have my t-shirt, and have worn it :)
[20:17] <zhujiale> oh lucky you
[20:17] <zhujiale> my score is way low though
[20:17] <RandalSchwartz> you? - http://ipv6.he.net/certification/scoresheet.php?pass_name=zhujiale
[20:18] <zhujiale> yeah
[20:18] <RandalSchwartz> you didn't fill out your t-shirt!
[20:20] <zhujiale> silly me... the only part of it all I actualy care for :-p
[20:21] <zhujiale> now to google what US sizes actualy mean
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