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[05:30] <Hien> Hello ;)
[05:31] <Hien> anynone here?
[05:35] <nesta> hey sup
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[06:25] <lamper_> hi
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[06:46] <nesta> hello
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[07:50] <awyeah> Wow.  Touch typing the right way is hard.  I can't believe I've gotten do bad at it.
[07:50] <awyeah> er, so bad at it.
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[08:09] <lamper_> If I were to get a vps, how would I go about upgrading it?
[08:14] <nesta> upgrading to what
[08:16] <lamper_> a higher plan if i ended up needing it
[08:16] <mike-burns> Email support@.
[08:17] <lamper_> How long would that process take?
[08:20] <mike-burns> I do not know this answer. I suspect it's related to how many resources he has left to upgrade your VPS.
[08:21] <mike-burns> If he has no RAM left, it could take a few days for him to buy new hardware. If he has RAM left, probably 48hr.
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[08:31] <toddf> lamper_: new orders and upgrades are typically `processed' late late evenings, if it is more ram or disk space it would obviously require a shutdown of your vps for a short spell before upgrading it.. I said above a nice blurb up_the_irons (staff of arpnetworks) liked, so I'll repeat it again
[08:32] <toddf> 'round here its not EC2 .. you get true KVM with amazingly low rates, that comes to us via not a large staff that does batches of things instead of instant responses.. things will get more automated over time I suspect, the reboots of the system for example used to be a support request and serial console didn't exist when I first showed up
[08:33] <mhoran> toddf: Do you have that answer scripted? 'cause it comes out almost the same way every time. :)
[08:33] <fink_> toddf: it's like you're some kind of robitman
[08:34] <fink_> woop woop!
[08:34] <toddf> mhoran: cut and paste and scrollback do wonders to that effect
[08:34] <mhoran> Heh.
[08:34] <mhoran> Indeed.
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[08:37] <toddf> fink_: robitman hah, when I'm around I tend to shair what I know liberally; its just that newbies to arpnetworks tend to think of things in an ec2 auto provisioning cloud like concept, hence the comparison and clear guidance to `it is cheaper here for a reason' ;-)
[08:38] <toddf> if anybody can't wait 24-48hrs for provisioning of a quality long term vps, maybe they're not going to stick around anyway ;-)
[08:38] <fink_> toddf: agreed
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[12:21] <bsd_man> Hello
[12:22] <RandalSchwartz> hello
[12:22] <bsd_man> hello :)
[12:22] <bsd_man> No staff is here
[12:22] <RandalSchwartz> up_the_irons is on
[12:22] <RandalSchwartz> maybe not paying attention
[12:22] <RandalSchwartz> email to support@
[12:22] <bsd_man> I mailed to Arpnetwork but not reply
[12:23] <RandalSchwartz> how long ago?
[12:23] <RandalSchwartz> generally 48-ish hour turnaround
[12:23] <bsd_man> 2 days
[12:23] <RandalSchwartz> well, you're coming up on it then. :)
[12:24] <bsd_man> Randal ? You're customer of Arpnetworks?
[12:26] <RandalSchwartz> indeed
[12:26] <RandalSchwartz> for about 10 months now
[12:26] <RandalSchwartz> three VPS.  soon to be 4
[12:26] <bsd_man> uhm
[12:27] <bsd_man> good support Randal?
[12:27] <RandalSchwartz> good if you're an expert, yes
[12:27] <RandalSchwartz> or you are good at googling
[12:27] <RandalSchwartz> but not if you need handholding
[12:27] <RandalSchwartz> prices stay low because staff can concentrate on working the boxes, not helping people
[12:28] <RandalSchwartz> but that's what #arpnetworks is for :)
[12:28] <RandalSchwartz> we help each other
[12:28] <bsd_man> uhm.
[12:29] <bsd_man> When you order..VPS provide fast?
[12:29] <RandalSchwartz> 1 to 3 days, *if* there's a box available
[12:29] <RandalSchwartz> sometimes a bit longer if the host box isn't available
[12:30] <bsd_man> uhm...too long...
[12:30] <RandalSchwartz> there are plenty of other solutions if you need something fater
[12:30] <RandalSchwartz> faster
[12:30] <RandalSchwartz> but you pay more
[12:30] <RandalSchwartz> EC2 will provision a box in seconds
[12:30] <bsd_man> uhm.
[12:31] <RandalSchwartz> but you'll pay more per month for it
[12:31] <bsd_man> uhm.
[12:31] <RandalSchwartz> and you don't get ipv6 etc
[12:31] <RandalSchwartz> please stop saying "uhm"
[12:31] <RandalSchwartz> talk, or be quiet :)
[12:31] <bsd_man> :D
[12:32] <fink_> UHM
[12:33] <RandalSchwartz> so do you have a question, bsd_man?
[12:34] <zhujiale> uhm
[12:34] <bsd_man> No..I guess from your name, Radal..I have read book of you written
[12:34] <bsd_man> :)
[12:35] <RandalSchwartz> perhaps!
[12:39] <mike-burns> "Song Buch", the famous German sheet music compilation by Randal L. Schwartz?
[12:39] <RandalSchwartz> heh
[12:41] <bsd_man> @RandalSchwartz: Book of you have written is very cool. :) I love perl :)
[12:43] <fink_> @bsd_man: you can join the randalschwartz fan club
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[12:48] <lucky> hm, if I want to do a fresh reinstall with FBSD 8.1, but currently have the 8.0 CD in the drive, do i just fire an email off to support ?
[12:49] <fink_> lucky: use the console and reinstall it yourself
[12:50] <lucky> fink_: but it's 8.0
[12:50] <lucky> I want 8.1
[12:50] <mike-burns> For an ISO change I'm pretty sure you email support@.
[12:50] <RandalSchwartz> which perl book
[12:51] <RandalSchwartz> I've written many
[12:55] <fink_> lucky: install and use freebsd-update?
[12:59] <lucky> fink_: well, i'm doing a fresh install, so i don't see why i shouldn't install fresh from the latest version
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[13:40] <up_the_irons> ballen: to answer your question, i use ubuntu. the packages are newer than debian
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[13:43] <jdoe> also pythonier :(
[13:43] <up_the_irons> toddf: yeah, that's precisely the way i've always felt; if someone is looking for a long-term vps, which is the only kind that makes me any money, then they will not mind waiting 24-48 hours for it.   those who want instant setups generally cancel about just as fast ;)
[13:44] <fink_> i'm still waiting
[13:44] <fink_> …on my arpnetworks t-shirt
[13:44] <fink_> woop woop woop!
[13:44] <jdoe> I should probably look into how to upgrade openbsd.
[13:44] * fink_ scuttles
[13:44] <jdoe> I haven't got a clue.
[13:44] <jdoe> haha.
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[13:45] <ballen> up_the_irons: yea thats what I thought I remembered you saying
[13:45] <ballen> ever have any stability issues?
[13:47] <RandalSchwartz> in life? :)
[13:48] * jdoe is unstable
[13:48] <jdoe> ballen: ubuntu packages are generally okay. kubuntu, less so. Especially the backports, but that's not surprising.
[13:49] <ballen> yea true
[13:50] <ballen> deciding if I should move to Ubuntu LTS or wait for RHEL6
[13:50] <jdoe> for a desktop?
[13:50] <jdoe> or a server?
[13:51] <ballen> many servers
[13:51] <ballen> ~35 or so
[13:51] <ballen> production env
[13:51] <RandalSchwartz> I'd go with freebsd then
[13:52] <fink_> RandalSchwartz: he won't do it
[13:53] <ballen> yes Randal, obviously FreeBSD is better, however theres a number of applications that are certified on BSD
[13:53] <ballen> aren't*
[13:53] <ballen> that I need to run
[13:53] <RandalSchwartz> "certified"?
[13:54] <ballen> vendor won't support them
[13:54] <ballen> on FreeBSD
[13:54] <ballen> nor will they likely run
[13:54] <up_the_irons> ballen: no stability issues; as evidenced by high uptimes :)
[13:54] <ballen> good good
[13:54] <RandalSchwartz> the linux support on freebsd is pretty complete
[13:54] <RandalSchwartz> and no performance cost
[13:54] <ballen> up_the_irons: have you seen landscape.canonical.com
[13:55] <up_the_irons> ballen: heard of it, but never used it
[13:55] <ballen> Randal: its also not a fight I want to fight with my team and management
[13:55] <ballen> I just need newer libraries and language versions than RHEL5
[13:59] <up_the_irons> ballen: yeah, stay away from RH-based distros; that goes without saying
[13:59] <ballen> its our lab wide standard linux OS
[13:59] <ballen> so going away from it takes some justification
[14:00] <up_the_irons> sure
[14:00] <ballen> saving the $8k / year will due
[14:02] <up_the_irons> nice
[14:03] <ballen> wonder how much Landscape is for the non-hosted version
[14:03] <ballen> would be nice for package management
[14:03] <ballen> up_the_irons: have you looked at Ubuntu's cloud setup
[14:04] <ballen> private cloud setup that is
[14:05] <up_the_irons> ballen: only a bit; i have so little time for new stuff right now.  trying to focus on some new features i'm planning, but even then i'm finding it hard to get anywhere; just so little time left over in the day.  and i gotta stay sane :)
[14:05] <RandalSchwartz> or look at the rackspace "openstack"
[14:06] <RandalSchwartz> FLOSS Weekly interviewed the rackspace guy about that a month ago
[14:06] <ballen> yea have you interviewed anyone from Canonical about their cloud stuff?
[14:06] <RandalSchwartz> nope.
[14:06] <jdoe> ballen: I'd go with RHEL6 (er, centos 6)
[14:06] <jdoe> ballen: supported for longer. Also, it'll finally have XFS support :P
[14:07] <ballen> LTS is 5 years
[14:07] <ballen> plenty of time
[14:07] <ballen> with a new LTS every 2 years
[14:07] <jdoe> centos is 7
[14:08] <ballen> I don't want the same version of an OS for 7 years
[14:08] <jdoe> we still have ancient machines supported, stuff never seems tp get upgraded when it should.
[14:08] <ballen> yea true, I try to do a refresh once a year
[14:08] <ballen> right after the end of the FY
[14:09] <jdoe> I'm restricted in what I can do by the prod env, because dev has to match.
[14:09] <jdoe> ... and prod stuff rarely gets upgraded because that's downtime etc.
[14:09] <jdoe> so my hands are tied. Shrug.
[14:10] <ballen> yea same deal here
[14:10] <ballen> our dev env is small though
[14:10] <ballen> so easy
[14:10] <ballen> to upgrade
[14:10] <ballen> Randal: get Jono to find someone to talk about the private cloud stuff, would be quite interesting
[14:11] <jdoe> ballen: I don't have a problem doing it, I just can't until they do :P
[14:12] <ballen> ahhh, yea most of our code actually runs in Sol10 which doesn't ever change so its not a big deal, its more our HPC nodes that need to get bumped
[14:16] <jdoe> right on.
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[14:17] <ballen> anyone actually use a RHN Satellite? We have one, but I don't admin it nor do I even have a login, I just get to kickstart servers off of it
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[17:33] <Cr4zi3> so no one able to assist me w/ FreeBSD VPS and psyBNC ?
[17:34] <RandalSchwartz> probably not
[17:35] <RandalSchwartz> people told you to switch to a supported bouncer.  not sure why that isn't "assistance"
[17:42] <Cr4zi3> guess I won't be using arp networks anymore..
[17:42] <Cr4zi3> thought it would have been nice to give a local company money, but...
[17:46] <RandalSchwartz> try not to let the screen door hit your backside on the way out
[17:49] <RandalSchwartz> it's not a threat to a business to say "I won't be a customer" when you would have been a *bad* customer. :)
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[19:22] <mike-burns> I don't see what's wrong with this Cr4zi3 guy.
[19:23] <mike-burns> Cr4zi3: Can you post some error messages and maybe a bit more about your setup? I know nothing and doubt I'll be able to help you but it's worth a shot.
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[19:41] <RandalSchwartz> mike-burns glad to see you want to help
[19:42] <RandalSchwartz> however.....
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[20:11] <awyeah> man, typing the right way sucks.
[20:11] <awyeah> It takes me so long to do it.
[20:11] <awyeah> I can type really fast the wrong way though!
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