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anynone here? nesta: hey sup ***: Hien has quit IRC (Changing host)
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heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) awyeah: Wow. Touch typing the right way is hard. I can't believe I've gotten do bad at it.
er, so bad at it. ***: schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) lamper_: If I were to get a vps, how would I go about upgrading it? nesta: upgrading to what lamper_: a higher plan if i ended up needing it mike-burns: Email support@. lamper_: How long would that process take? mike-burns: I do not know this answer. I suspect it's related to how many resources he has left to upgrade your VPS.
If he has no RAM left, it could take a few days for him to buy new hardware. If he has RAM left, probably 48hr. ***: fink_ has joined #arpnetworks
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ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer_ toddf: lamper_: new orders and upgrades are typically `processed' late late evenings, if it is more ram or disk space it would obviously require a shutdown of your vps for a short spell before upgrading it.. I said above a nice blurb up_the_irons (staff of arpnetworks) liked, so I'll repeat it again
'round here its not EC2 .. you get true KVM with amazingly low rates, that comes to us via not a large staff that does batches of things instead of instant responses.. things will get more automated over time I suspect, the reboots of the system for example used to be a support request and serial console didn't exist when I first showed up mhoran: toddf: Do you have that answer scripted? 'cause it comes out almost the same way every time. :) fink_: toddf: it's like you're some kind of robitman
woop woop! toddf: mhoran: cut and paste and scrollback do wonders to that effect mhoran: Heh.
Indeed. ***: ballen has quit IRC (Quit: ballen) toddf: fink_: robitman hah, when I'm around I tend to shair what I know liberally; its just that newbies to arpnetworks tend to think of things in an ec2 auto provisioning cloud like concept, hence the comparison and clear guidance to `it is cheaper here for a reason' ;-)
if anybody can't wait 24-48hrs for provisioning of a quality long term vps, maybe they're not going to stick around anyway ;-) fink_: toddf: agreed ***: fink_ has quit IRC (Quit: fink_)
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bsd_man has joined #arpnetworks bsd_man: Hello RandalSchwartz: hello bsd_man: hello :)
No staff is here RandalSchwartz: up_the_irons is on
maybe not paying attention
email to support@ bsd_man: I mailed to Arpnetwork but not reply RandalSchwartz: how long ago?
generally 48-ish hour turnaround bsd_man: 2 days RandalSchwartz: well, you're coming up on it then. :) bsd_man: Randal ? You're customer of Arpnetworks? RandalSchwartz: indeed
for about 10 months now
three VPS. soon to be 4 bsd_man: uhm
good support Randal? RandalSchwartz: good if you're an expert, yes
or you are good at googling
but not if you need handholding
prices stay low because staff can concentrate on working the boxes, not helping people
but that's what #arpnetworks is for :)
we help each other bsd_man: uhm.
When you order..VPS provide fast? RandalSchwartz: 1 to 3 days, *if* there's a box available
sometimes a bit longer if the host box isn't available bsd_man: uhm...too long... RandalSchwartz: there are plenty of other solutions if you need something fater
faster
but you pay more
EC2 will provision a box in seconds bsd_man: uhm. RandalSchwartz: but you'll pay more per month for it bsd_man: uhm. RandalSchwartz: and you don't get ipv6 etc
please stop saying "uhm"
talk, or be quiet :) bsd_man: :D fink_: UHM RandalSchwartz: so do you have a question, bsd_man? zhujiale: uhm bsd_man: No..I guess from your name, Radal..I have read book of you written
:) RandalSchwartz: perhaps! mike-burns: "Song Buch", the famous German sheet music compilation by Randal L. Schwartz? RandalSchwartz: heh bsd_man: @RandalSchwartz: Book of you have written is very cool. :) I love perl :) fink_: @bsd_man: you can join the randalschwartz fan club ***: bsd_man has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) lucky: hm, if I want to do a fresh reinstall with FBSD 8.1, but currently have the 8.0 CD in the drive, do i just fire an email off to support ? fink_: lucky: use the console and reinstall it yourself lucky: fink_: but it's 8.0
I want 8.1 mike-burns: For an ISO change I'm pretty sure you email support@. RandalSchwartz: which perl book
I've written many fink_: lucky: install and use freebsd-update? lucky: fink_: well, i'm doing a fresh install, so i don't see why i shouldn't install fresh from the latest version ***: zhujiale has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)
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schmir has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: ballen: to answer your question, i use ubuntu. the packages are newer than debian ***: ballen has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) jdoe: also pythonier :( up_the_irons: toddf: yeah, that's precisely the way i've always felt; if someone is looking for a long-term vps, which is the only kind that makes me any money, then they will not mind waiting 24-48 hours for it. those who want instant setups generally cancel about just as fast ;) fink_: i'm still waiting
…on my arpnetworks t-shirt
woop woop woop! jdoe: I should probably look into how to upgrade openbsd. -: fink_ scuttles jdoe: I haven't got a clue.
haha. ***: ballen has joined #arpnetworks
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ChanServ sets mode: +o ballen ballen: up_the_irons: yea thats what I thought I remembered you saying
ever have any stability issues? RandalSchwartz: in life? :) -: jdoe is unstable jdoe: ballen: ubuntu packages are generally okay. kubuntu, less so. Especially the backports, but that's not surprising. ballen: yea true
deciding if I should move to Ubuntu LTS or wait for RHEL6 jdoe: for a desktop?
or a server? ballen: many servers
~35 or so
production env RandalSchwartz: I'd go with freebsd then fink_: RandalSchwartz: he won't do it ballen: yes Randal, obviously FreeBSD is better, however theres a number of applications that are certified on BSD
aren't*
that I need to run RandalSchwartz: "certified"? ballen: vendor won't support them
on FreeBSD
nor will they likely run up_the_irons: ballen: no stability issues; as evidenced by high uptimes :) ballen: good good RandalSchwartz: the linux support on freebsd is pretty complete
and no performance cost ballen: up_the_irons: have you seen landscape.canonical.com up_the_irons: ballen: heard of it, but never used it ballen: Randal: its also not a fight I want to fight with my team and management
I just need newer libraries and language versions than RHEL5 up_the_irons: ballen: yeah, stay away from RH-based distros; that goes without saying ballen: its our lab wide standard linux OS
so going away from it takes some justification up_the_irons: sure ballen: saving the $8k / year will due up_the_irons: nice ballen: wonder how much Landscape is for the non-hosted version
would be nice for package management
up_the_irons: have you looked at Ubuntu's cloud setup
private cloud setup that is up_the_irons: ballen: only a bit; i have so little time for new stuff right now. trying to focus on some new features i'm planning, but even then i'm finding it hard to get anywhere; just so little time left over in the day. and i gotta stay sane :) RandalSchwartz: or look at the rackspace "openstack"
FLOSS Weekly interviewed the rackspace guy about that a month ago ballen: yea have you interviewed anyone from Canonical about their cloud stuff? RandalSchwartz: nope. jdoe: ballen: I'd go with RHEL6 (er, centos 6)
ballen: supported for longer. Also, it'll finally have XFS support :P ballen: LTS is 5 years
plenty of time
with a new LTS every 2 years jdoe: centos is 7 ballen: I don't want the same version of an OS for 7 years jdoe: we still have ancient machines supported, stuff never seems tp get upgraded when it should. ballen: yea true, I try to do a refresh once a year
right after the end of the FY jdoe: I'm restricted in what I can do by the prod env, because dev has to match.
... and prod stuff rarely gets upgraded because that's downtime etc.
so my hands are tied. Shrug. ballen: yea same deal here
our dev env is small though
so easy
to upgrade
Randal: get Jono to find someone to talk about the private cloud stuff, would be quite interesting jdoe: ballen: I don't have a problem doing it, I just can't until they do :P ballen: ahhh, yea most of our code actually runs in Sol10 which doesn't ever change so its not a big deal, its more our HPC nodes that need to get bumped jdoe: right on. ***: fink_ has quit IRC (Quit: fink_) ballen: anyone actually use a RHN Satellite? We have one, but I don't admin it nor do I even have a login, I just get to kickstart servers off of it ***: fink_ has joined #arpnetworks
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fink_ has quit IRC (Quit: fink_) Cr4zi3: so no one able to assist me w/ FreeBSD VPS and psyBNC ? RandalSchwartz: probably not
people told you to switch to a supported bouncer. not sure why that isn't "assistance" Cr4zi3: guess I won't be using arp networks anymore..
thought it would have been nice to give a local company money, but... RandalSchwartz: try not to let the screen door hit your backside on the way out
it's not a threat to a business to say "I won't be a customer" when you would have been a *bad* customer. :) ***: zhujiale has joined #arpnetworks
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nerdd has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) mike-burns: I don't see what's wrong with this Cr4zi3 guy.
Cr4zi3: Can you post some error messages and maybe a bit more about your setup? I know nothing and doubt I'll be able to help you but it's worth a shot. ***: heavysixer_ has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer_) RandalSchwartz: mike-burns glad to see you want to help
however..... ***: zhujiale has left awyeah: man, typing the right way sucks.
It takes me so long to do it.
I can type really fast the wrong way though! ***: fink_ has joined #arpnetworks
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