[00:43] <coil_> finally got mail domain forwarded to another ns
[00:43] <coil_> the emails are pouring in
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[05:43] <dxtr> Guys
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[08:16] <RandalSchwartz> hover.com has no immediate plans to be ipv6 ready.  sigh.
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[08:46] <dxtr> RandalSchwartz: I've heard name.com is
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[08:47] <dxtr> Or... uhm... Nevermind. That's IPv6 glue. I can't believe not all registrars can handle that
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[08:57] <Hien> hello
[08:57] <Hien> hello
[08:58] <Hien> Anyone is ARPNeroks staff is here
[08:58] <Hien> :)
[08:59] <dxtr> ARPNeroks
[08:59] <nesta> i lol'd
[09:00] <nesta> :p
[09:00] <Hien> Sorry Arpnetworks :D
[09:00] <Hien> hello nesta
[09:00] <nesta> much better :)
[09:00] <nesta> hey!
[09:00] <Hien> do you have uses VPS of arpnetworks?
[09:00] <coil> must be malaysian
[09:01] <nesta> hien i am a customer yes
[09:01] <nesta> they ttally rule
[09:01] <Hien> VPS of them is good ?
[09:01] <coil> yes its good
[09:01] <Hien> payment proccess day?
[09:01] <RandalSchwartz> Yes - I have 3 machines
[09:01] <Hien> fast or ?
[09:01] <RandalSchwartz> two fat ones and one $20 special
[09:02] <RandalSchwartz> happy customer for about 10 months
[09:02] <Hien> @RandalSchwartz: uhm
[09:02] <RandalSchwartz> but miserable since then.
[09:02] <RandalSchwartz> (just kidding) :)
[09:02] <RandalSchwartz> been happy since day 1
[09:02] <coil> damnit
[09:02] <coil> idk how to disable fish nesta lol
[09:03] <coil> or unset the key
[09:03] <RandalSchwartz> fish nesta?
[09:03] <Hien> what miserable ?
[09:03] <coil> blowfish
[09:03] <RandalSchwartz> not miserable
[09:03] <RandalSchwartz> that was a joke
[09:03] <Hien> lol
[09:03] <Hien> =))
[09:03] <RandalSchwartz> "happy for ten months, then miserable"
[09:03] <nesta> lolll coil
[09:03] <RandalSchwartz> but no.  always happy.  never miserable.
[09:04] <nesta> coil
[09:04] <dxtr> coil: /fish delkey
[09:04] <RandalSchwartz> oh - must be an IRC client thing
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[09:04] <RandalSchwartz> my irc client is irc.el inside gnu emacs
[09:04] <nesta>  /unload fish
[09:04] <RandalSchwartz> which is inside screen
[09:04] <RandalSchwartz> which is at the other end of ssh from Terminal.app
[09:04] <coil> oh, /delkey worked
[09:05] <dxtr> Oh yeah, that's probably it
[09:05] <dxtr> :P
[09:05] <Hien> ARPNetworks only payment via manual credit card not payment via paypal
[09:05] <RandalSchwartz> true
[09:05] <nesta> RandalSchwartz: yuck :p
[09:05] <dxtr> RandalSchwartz: I'm not impressed with IRC inside emacs eactually. Tried it and.. well.. I was disappointed
[09:06] <RandalSchwartz> ahh, but which client?
[09:06] <dxtr> Emacs is good for many things but IRC isn't it
[09:06] <Hien> @RandalSchwartz: it is secure ?
[09:06] <RandalSchwartz> there are several
[09:06] <dxtr> ERC
[09:06] <RandalSchwartz> Yeah - I don't use that one
[09:06] <RandalSchwartz> tried it once.  too confusing.
[09:06] <RandalSchwartz> Hien - yes, secure
[09:06] <RandalSchwartz> https to submit the form
[09:07] <RandalSchwartz> and then they process it carefully
[09:07] <Hien> uhm
[09:08] <dxtr> RandalSchwartz: They're kind of too limited for me.
[09:08] <Hien> @RandalSchwartz: Can you give me a website of you on Arpnetworks to test speed ?
[09:08] <dxtr> Sure, I could probably do some patches. But.. yeah
[09:08] <RandalSchwartz> insightcruises.com
[09:08] <coil> Hien, http://arpnetworks.com/100mb.bin
[09:08] <RandalSchwartz> but try not to beat it up too much
[09:09] <RandalSchwartz> if you can't provide a credit card, hien, you'll have a hard time finding *any* provider.
[09:09] <RandalSchwartz> like it or not, credit cards are becoming the universal cash
[09:09] <Hien> I can provide
[09:09] <Hien> :D
[09:09] <Hien> Site of you load too fast
[09:10] <coil> too fast
[09:10] <coil> lol
[09:10] <RandalSchwartz> *too* fast?
[09:10] <dxtr> Haha
[09:10] <RandalSchwartz> that's a bad problem, I guess. :)
[09:10] <coil> i never had a website load oto fast
[09:10] <dxtr> coil: It's clogging the tubes
[09:10] <RandalSchwartz> how will the poker chips get through?
[09:10] <dxtr> I have no idea
[09:11] <RandalSchwartz> ... http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-19-2006/net-neutrality-act
[09:11] <dxtr> RandalSchwartz: How would I get SSL in this irc.el`?
[09:11] <dxtr> I'll give it a try :)
[09:15] <RandalSchwartz> I don't connect to any irc with ssl. :)
[09:16] <RandalSchwartz> so I don't know how
[09:16] <dxtr> Damn you
[09:17] <dxtr> irc.el is rcirc right?
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[09:17] <RandalSchwartz> nope
[09:17] <RandalSchwartz> that's yet another one
[09:17] <dxtr> It has two default IRC clients´+
[09:17] <RandalSchwartz> if it doesn't say "rocker's client", it isn't
[09:17] <dxtr> "circ is an Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client written in Emacs Lisp.[3][4] It is the standard IRC client in GNU Emacs[3] and is part of GNU Emacs as of release 22.1"
[09:17] <dxtr> rcirc*
[09:17] <RandalSchwartz> yeah, that's not it
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[09:19] <dxtr> Yeah, I got that :)
[09:19] <RandalSchwartz> ... http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/irc.el
[09:20] <RandalSchwartz> that's not directly usable though
[09:20] <RandalSchwartz> wow... many clients - http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/InternetRelayChat
[09:43] <dxtr> AH MAN
[09:43] <dxtr> rcirc is bad
[09:43] <RandalSchwartz> that's why I don't use it either.
[09:43] <dxtr> It defaults to connecting to freenode and join #rcirc so I've been disconnecting, connecting, joining that channel a couple of times now
[09:44] <RandalSchwartz> I haven't seen any I liked as well as Rocker's client
[09:44] <dxtr> I can't see how to change the default server if it's passworded
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[17:24] <DDevine> gday
[17:25] <DDevine> Air conditioning in our server room died again after being fixed yesterday. Luckily everything shut down somewhat gracefully and nothing fried.
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[17:27] <up_the_irons> DDevine: nice
[17:27] <up_the_irons> (the shutdown part ;)
[17:32] <DDevine> Would be nice if we had AC and server monitoring
[17:32] <up_the_irons> yeah
[17:34] <RandalSchwartz> nagios!
[17:36] <DDevine> One of the business units uses Nagios (actually, its a fork of nagios that I can't remember the name) for their own project servers but the main organisational IT department doesn't. *sigh*
[17:37] <RandalSchwartz> I installed nagios recently
[17:37] <RandalSchwartz> it feels hacky, but useable
[17:37] <RandalSchwartz> and it does basic stuff out of the box
[17:37] <RandalSchwartz> moer complex stuff looks hard though
[17:38] <fink_> RandalSchwartz: i basically do whatever you do, so let me know how it goes
[17:38] <RandalSchwartz> heh
[17:38] <RandalSchwartz> I'm thinking of jumping off this bridge. :)
[17:38] <fink_> RandalSchwartz: have you heard  about puppet?
[17:38] <RandalSchwartz> yes - I interviewed fellow portlander Luke Kanies for FLOSS Weekly
[17:39] <RandalSchwartz> puppet would make sense if I had 10 systems
[17:39] <RandalSchwartz> I have only 3
[17:39] <DDevine> Oh hey I have heard of you Randal though Linux Outlaws.
[17:39] <RandalSchwartz> although capturing the install status might be useful
[17:39] <fink_> does nagios make sense for only 3?
[17:39] <RandalSchwartz> yes - Dan and Fab mention me there from time to time
[17:39] <RandalSchwartz> Nagios makes sense for 1
[17:39] <DDevine> And me
[17:39] <RandalSchwartz> Nagios isn't puppet
[17:39] <RandalSchwartz> Puppet - config management
[17:39] <RandalSchwartz> Nagios - monitoring
[17:39] <DDevine> Dan "not the cloud man" devine
[17:40] <fink_> DDevine: yea, he's kind of famous, he was in that 'hackers' movie
[17:40] <RandalSchwartz> nagios works for anything that you need to monitor
[17:40] <RandalSchwartz> especially when you want to have soft failures, hard failures, and escalation
[17:40] <RandalSchwartz> nagios has that all built in already
[17:40] <RandalSchwartz> which was nice
[17:40] <RandalSchwartz> for example, missing one ping, no biggy
[17:40] <zjl999> how long does it usualy take to receive your VPS? I just ordered a few minutes ago, and I'm all excited ~_~
[17:40] <RandalSchwartz> missing 4 in a row... send SMS
[17:40] <DDevine> I'll dig up teh name of the fork that is really nice.
[17:41] <RandalSchwartz> missing that for a half hour, send second-level SMS
[17:41] <RandalSchwartz> fink_ - I wasn't in Hackers. :)
[17:41] <RandalSchwartz> Angelina Jolie was
[17:41] <DDevine> http://www.icinga.org - very nice nagios fork.
[17:42] <DDevine> zjl999: Mine took about 1.5 days.
[17:42] <RandalSchwartz> no port for icinga in freebsd :(
[17:42] <RandalSchwartz> nagios has a port
[17:42] <RandalSchwartz> that's a big plus
[17:43] <fink_> i don't even consider software that doesn't have a port
[17:43] <RandalSchwartz> or a starboard? :)
[17:43] <RandalSchwartz> almost all my Perl modules that I've installed have ports
[17:44] <RandalSchwartz> the rest are in BSDPAN world, so at least I can track them
[17:44] <RandalSchwartz> that's pretty darn slick, actually
[17:44] <fink_> RandalSchwartz: u so funny
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[17:45] <RandalSchwartz> ok - gotta go relocate to Maria's, to get dinner and different bandwidth. :)
[17:45] <RandalSchwartz> back online in a few
[17:54] <RandalSchwartz> and we're back!
[17:55] <Cr4zi3> anyone runnin FBSD 8.0 and a bnc here ?
[17:56] <RandalSchwartz> I'm a block and a half closer to my hotel.
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[17:56] <RandalSchwartz> what's bnc?
[17:57] <RandalSchwartz> like a network cable?
[17:57] <Cr4zi3> no
[17:57] <Cr4zi3> bnc is an irc bouncer
[17:57] <RandalSchwartz> oh.
[17:58] <RandalSchwartz> it was probably named after the BNC cable though :)
[17:58] <RandalSchwartz> I'm running FBSD8.0 though
[17:59] <RandalSchwartz> soon to be 8.1
[17:59] <Cr4zi3> no it wasn't..
[17:59] <Cr4zi3> it was named bnc short for bouncer
[18:00] <RandalSchwartz> BNC looks long abandoned
[18:00] <RandalSchwartz> no updates in two years
[18:01] <Cr4zi3> psybnc to be specific
[18:01] <Cr4zi3> mine crashes on me regardless of what I do..
[18:01] <RandalSchwartz> crash how?
[18:03] <Cr4zi3> seg fault
[18:03] <RandalSchwartz> that's odd
[18:03] <RandalSchwartz> what language is it in?  C?
[18:03] <Cr4zi3> yup
[18:03] <RandalSchwartz> C.  How quaint.
[18:03] <Cr4zi3> or cpp
[18:03] <Cr4zi3> one of the 2
[18:03] <RandalSchwartz> can do that stuff in Perl so much easier. :)
[18:04] <RandalSchwartz> cpp is even more evil
[18:04] <RandalSchwartz> cpp is evil squared :)
[18:04] <RandalSchwartz> what OO *shouldn't* have been
[18:04] <RandalSchwartz> luckily, the JITting smalltalks have caught up, even surpassed in some ways
[18:04] <RandalSchwartz> then there's always Objective C
[18:05] <Cr4zi3> if I can't get the box workin by the 19th, I'll have to find another provider..
[18:08] <RandalSchwartz> maybe a different tool instead?
[18:08] <RandalSchwartz> there are a lot of IRC bouncers, right?
[18:09] <RandalSchwartz> looks like even psybnc is no longer supported
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[18:11] <RandalSchwartz> ... http://www.irc-junkie.org/2009-12-22/irc-bouncer-comparison/
[18:12] <RandalSchwartz> or do what I do... run screen on the server, and an irc client inside that
[18:12] <RandalSchwartz> that works just fine
[18:13] <RandalSchwartz> Cr4zi3 - how old were you when you picked your IRC nick?
[18:13] <RandalSchwartz> I'm guessing, 14.  close?
[18:14] <Cr4zi3> I didn't pick it, it was given to me..
[18:15] <RandalSchwartz> you accepted using it though
[18:15] <RandalSchwartz> and at what age?
[18:15] <Cr4zi3> no clue
[18:15] <RandalSchwartz> If someone said to me "you are now jeffrey", I'd still have a say in the matter
[18:16] <RandalSchwartz> uh - what do you mean no clue
[18:16] <RandalSchwartz> how old were you when you started using Cr4zi3?
[18:16] <Cr4zi3> exactly what it sounds like..
[18:16] <Cr4zi3> I have no clue
[18:16] <RandalSchwartz> how old are you now?
[18:16] <RandalSchwartz> and how long have you been using it?
[18:16] <Cr4zi3> not something on my have to keep as a high priority list..
[18:16] <RandalSchwartz> within a few years on each... I'm not picky
[18:17] <RandalSchwartz> at this point, you're not worth helping. {sigh}
[18:17] <Cr4zi3> HA
[18:17] <Cr4zi3> wtf ever
[18:17] <RandalSchwartz> hope that works out for you
[18:17] <Cr4zi3> just cuz I can't remeber how long its been since I started using my nick
[18:17] <RandalSchwartz> I'm guessing you're about 12 right now
[18:17] <Cr4zi3> give me a break
[18:17] <Cr4zi3> have a nice life
[18:17] <RandalSchwartz> why should I?  you're being non-responsive
[18:17] <Cr4zi3> so anyone able to give me some useful help ?
[18:18] <RandalSchwartz> if you were an adult, you'd at least have a bit more interaciton
[18:18] <RandalSchwartz> Definitely 12.  Maybe 14, already in that "I got my crap together" phase
[18:19] <RandalSchwartz> I remember that rather vividly. :)
[18:21] <RandalSchwartz> lots of updates to do on my servers sunday morning
[18:21] <RandalSchwartz> I hate it when apache updates... because that's often actual downtime
[18:24] <DDevine> Cr4zi3: I would suggest using a different (more maintained) bouncer software. There are many that do the same job.
[18:24] <Cr4zi3> DDevine; that's just it, it does the job, just not on this VPS..
[18:25] <DDevine> So you have it running on the same version of FreeBSD elsewhere?
[18:25] <Cr4zi3> I have 5 other servers runnin w/ psyBNC, from 7.2 to 8.1, and this is the only one that is giviing me problems..
[18:25] <Cr4zi3> yup
[18:25] <DDevine> Check that the libs are all the same version.
[18:25] <Cr4zi3> I've verify everything is as close to the same as possible..
[18:26] <DDevine> I have only been with this host for a day and I am new to FreeBSD, so I'm not much help.
[18:26] <Cr4zi3> thnx for the effort.. ;)
[18:27] <Cr4zi3> I even tried to lastest patches for psy that are suppose to fix most of the bugs, but this is something that no one has seen before..
[18:27] <Cr4zi3> its seg faulting on initilizing blowfish
[18:28] <DDevine> Does blowfish work in other programs?
[18:28] <Cr4zi3> irssi, and bitchx both work fine
[18:28] <Cr4zi3> and it only segs once a client has connected to it..
[18:29] <Cr4zi3> once the client connects, sends pass, it crashes
[18:34] <DDevine> If you think is a problem with the FreeBSD that the provider installed, you could probably request that they initialise the installer and you can complete it over VNC.
[18:34] <zjl999> I'm curious... what kind of speed does an arpnetworks VPS get? both downloading a file and sending one?
[18:34] <Cr4zi3> DDevine; Yea, I was thinkin bout that.. ;)
[18:35] <Cr4zi3> I just don't like unencrypted VNC.. ;P
[18:41] <DDevine> pfft.
[18:41] <zjl999> can anyone try downloading http://cachefly.cachefly.net/100mb.test from their arpnetworks vps and tell me what the speed is?
[18:42] <zjl999> i know it doesn't mean much, but still... :)
[18:42] <DDevine> I'll give it a go in a minute
[18:43] <zjl999> thanks
[18:44] <DDevine> 100%[======================================>] 104,857,600 10.3M/s   in 9.8s
[18:44] <DDevine> not too shabby.
[18:48] <DDevine> zjl999: In the FAQ they say each server has a 100mbit connection.
[18:49] <zjl999> yeah I just saw that
[18:49] <zjl999> anyway, I'm just waiting for mine then :-)
[18:54] <RandalSchwartz> it'll take a day or two
[18:54] <DDevine> We came up with a great way to get teh server room temps down while the AC is broken. One fan on top of the rack is pushing hot air out the top of the door way and one air pushing cold air at the bottom towards the server intake.
[18:54] <RandalSchwartz> whenever up_the_irons gets around to it :)
[18:54] <DDevine> Temps dropped by 60% easily.
[18:54] <DDevine> Ghetto hacks.
[18:55] <RandalSchwartz> unless you can make a tight seal, fans are not very good at sucking
[18:55] <RandalSchwartz> how do you have it sealed?
[18:55] * RandalSchwartz is the son of a 30-year veteran of heating and air conditioning
[18:56] <RandalSchwartz> as in, I get the blowing at the bottom
[18:57] <RandalSchwartz> but not the sucking
[18:58] <DDevine> pedestal fans I mean
[18:59] <RandalSchwartz> yeah, that's not very useful then
[18:59] <RandalSchwartz> it will more easily just suck the air to the sides of it than behind it
[18:59] <DDevine> It moves the hot air out of the room and gets cool air in to the servers
[18:59] <DDevine> It seems to be the most effective set up we have tried so far.
[19:00] <RandalSchwartz> if it was a flat fan, sticking it directly on top of the cabinet would have been better
[19:00] <RandalSchwartz> as long as you could gt a good seal
[19:00] <Cr4zi3> DDevine; Yea, it will work.. we have had to do that many times in the data centers
[19:00] <RandalSchwartz> how would Cr4zi3 know at age 14?
[19:01] <RandalSchwartz> there are two reasons to use a l33t nick on IRC:
[19:01] <RandalSchwartz> (1) you *are* 14
[19:01] <RandalSchwartz> (2) you picked the nick at 14 and now everyone knows you by that name
[19:01] <RandalSchwartz> that's it
[19:01] <DDevine> There was a lot of hot air behind the cabs, so getting rid of that has helped the ambient temps hugely.
[19:01] <RandalSchwartz> DDevine - but in that case, blowing as well as sucking helps, and is easier to calculate
[19:02] <RandalSchwartz> dont' ever think of a fan as "sucking"
[19:02] <DDevine> I don't think I said sucking.
[19:02] <DDevine> They are both blowing hot and cold air in the right directions.
[19:02] <RandalSchwartz> well, you can't really "blow hot air"
[19:02] <Cr4zi3> sucking ?
[19:02] <RandalSchwartz> that implies "suck" to me
[19:02] <DDevine> I guess so.
[19:03] <RandalSchwartz> since the hot air originates at one point
[19:03] <Cr4zi3> much be talkin to someone else..
[19:03] <RandalSchwartz> Yes, someone more sane than you. :)
[19:03] <RandalSchwartz> if you put me on ignore, you can expect this channel to make no sense. :)
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[19:45] <RandalSchwartz> my Learning Perl course is now out on video
[20:05] <DDevine> The whacky defaults for vi and vim are driving me nuts.
[20:05] <DDevine> Is this a FreeBSD thing?
[20:07] <RandalSchwartz> vi and vim? :)
[20:07] * RandalSchwartz has not seen vi or vim in years
[20:09] <DDevine> It automatically exists out of insert mode all the time and it won't let me use backspace or delete lines without "dd".
[20:10] <RandalSchwartz> eww.
[20:11] <RandalSchwartz> maybe just a bad mapping for backsapce
[20:11] <RandalSchwartz> or delete
[20:11] <RandalSchwartz> or maybe you have DEL for interrupt
[20:15] <mike-burns> I haven't seen those wacky defaults.
[20:17] <DDevine> I have never had this problem in Linux ever.
[20:17] <RandalSchwartz> but linux isn't unix
[20:17] <RandalSchwartz> it's a fiction of a finlandian
[20:18] <RandalSchwartz> whom I play pool with, so I should be careful here. :)
[20:18] <DDevine> I was simply saying that in my previous experience with Vim, I had never come across this.
[20:21] <mike-burns> I've almost exclusively used FreeBSD and vim and also never seen this.
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[20:31] <DDevine> So your backspace key behaves properly?
[20:41] <DDevine> I'm going to try coping across a vimrc from a Linux machine.
[20:45] <DDevine> Yay, works like a charm.
[20:46] <RandalSchwartz> "coping"?
[20:46] <RandalSchwartz> like "copying"?
[20:46] <RandalSchwartz> or something else?
[20:46] <RandalSchwartz> surely not cope - int?
[20:46] <RandalSchwartz> or cope - ing? :)
[20:47] <DDevine> Sorry for my typo.
[20:47] <RandalSchwartz> which direction?
[20:47] <RandalSchwartz> did you mean copying?
[20:47] <DDevine> I didn't notice or I would have immediately s/coping/copying
[20:47] <RandalSchwartz> ahh
[20:47] <RandalSchwartz> ok
[20:48] <DDevine> I switch keyboards constantly so it can be hard to type accurately at times.
[20:49] <RandalSchwartz> that *would* be complex
[21:43] <DDevine> I have decided I might need some extra IPv4 addresses - how do I order these?
[21:45] <DDevine> (if there is any left!)
[21:46] <DDevine> Eeek! only 2.1 million left! http://inetcore.com/project/ipv4ec/index_en.html
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