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[02:00] <up_the_irons> it's weird, how despite consistent growth of my customer base within the last 18 months, _this channel_ topped out at about 50 users
[02:01] <up_the_irons> has something to do with communities and size.. someone has a theory on that
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[02:09] <up_the_irons> cd $bed
[02:11] <bob^^> irc seems to be less popular than in the past
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[03:58] <toddf> up_the_irons: definately interesting wrt the 50 users on irc vs consistent growth of customer base; I see new faces here all the time *grin* .. perhaps some arrive and stay only long enough to get setup and/or a simple question or two answered, some of us enjoy the banter?? ;-)
[04:29] <bob^^> yeah :)
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[05:50] <RandalSchwartz> up_the_irons - do you have an outbound email proxy that I can use so I can send to google apps?
[05:50] <RandalSchwartz> I could also just proxy stonehenge mail through mabel... I tested, and mabel isn't tainted.
[05:51] <RandalSchwartz> oh, he's probably not awake yet. :)
[05:51] <RandalSchwartz> I have to be because I'm enroute to LAX
[05:52] <nesta> mh hm
[05:53] <RandalSchwartz> "mh hm"?
[05:53] <nesta> yep, mh hm
[05:53] <RandalSchwartz> what does that translate to?
[05:53] <nesta> say it out loud
[05:53] <nesta> and put it in context
[05:54] <RandalSchwartz> doesn't map
[05:54] <nesta> ah well then
[05:54] <nesta> parse error I guess
[05:54] <RandalSchwartz> uh huh would
[05:54] <RandalSchwartz> as in, agreee
[05:54] <RandalSchwartz> but I've never used "mh hm" as sounds
[05:54] <RandalSchwartz> are you not native english?
[05:54] <nesta> 'uh huh' is quite an American colloquialism imo
[05:54] <RandalSchwartz> so where do they say "mh hm"?
[05:55] <nesta> where I live :)
[05:55] <RandalSchwartz> not here
[05:55] <RandalSchwartz> yeah. so if you want to communicate, best not to use it.
[05:55] <RandalSchwartz> since it is regional
[05:55] <nesta> as is 'uh huh'
[05:55] <RandalSchwartz> indeed, which is why I don't use that
[05:55] <nesta> I use what makes sense to me
[05:55] <nesta> okey
[05:55] <nesta> well I don't much mind as you can see
[05:55] <RandalSchwartz> communication is about making sense to the *other person* though
[05:55] <RandalSchwartz> not just to yourself
[05:56] <nesta> sure
[05:56] <nesta> we are communicating now
[05:56] <RandalSchwartz> only after 11 clarification statements. :)
[05:56] <RandalSchwartz> if you'd just said "yes", this could have been avoided.
[05:56] <nesta> it gave us something to chat about
[05:56] <nesta> :P
[05:56] <sheath> lol
[05:56] <sheath> hi nerdd
[05:57] <sheath> er
[05:57] <sheath> hi nesta
[05:57] <nesta> hi
[05:57] <RandalSchwartz> it's like I finally figured out what "jaja" was.
[05:57] <RandalSchwartz> or even "ta"
[05:58] <RandalSchwartz> lots of regional english used
[05:58] <RandalSchwartz> makes it a bit hard to presume you'll be understood unless you use full versions
[05:58] <sheath> dunno what ta is
[05:58] <RandalSchwartz> it's british/oz
[05:58] <RandalSchwartz> short of "ta ta"
[05:58] <bob^^> no, it's not 'ta ta'
[05:58] <RandalSchwartz> as in "thanks, and good bye"
[05:58] <bob^^> it's 'thanks'
[05:58] <bob^^> no one says ta ta over here ;)
[05:58] <RandalSchwartz> oh - well that's how it was explained
[05:59] <RandalSchwartz> and I've just barely woken up
[05:59] <bob^^> in aus they might though, lots of rough similarities
[05:59] <bob^^> tbh, it depends where in the UK
[05:59] <RandalSchwartz> but ta is used in uk and oz
[05:59] <RandalSchwartz> but not in the us
[05:59] <nesta> its just ta
[05:59] <sheath> so confusing
[05:59] <bob^^> for a tiny country we have a lot of very regional language use
[05:59] <nesta> only posh idiots would say ta ta
[05:59] <RandalSchwartz> so when someone says it on IRC, I can peg them
[05:59] <bob^^> a bread roll has about six different names, depending on which part of the country you're in :)
[05:59] <nesta> amirite bob^^
[05:59] <nesta> :)
[05:59] <bob^^> nesta: +1 ;)
[05:59] <nesta> ;)
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[06:00] <bob^^> tbh, i'd *hate* to have to learn english
[06:01] <RandalSchwartz> tbh?
[06:01] <sheath> you're speaking it right now?
[06:01] <bob^^> well yes, i'm from the UK so it's my native language
[06:01] <bob^^> i mean, if you were not a native english speaker it must be a very complex language to learn
[06:02] <RandalSchwartz> yeah - I'm having fun learning both ES and PT_BR
[06:02] <RandalSchwartz> and yet they seem far simpler than the exception rules for english
[06:02] <ziyourenxiang> they're all turing complete... oh wait.
[06:02] <bob^^> even spanish changes depending on where you are in the world :(
[06:02] <RandalSchwartz> letters with only one pronunciation!  how the hell does *that* work? :)
[06:02] <bob^^> ;D
[06:02] <RandalSchwartz> no "through cough bough"
[06:02] <bob^^> to, two and too
[06:03] <bob^^> is my favourite :)
[06:03] <bob^^> or leak and leek
[06:03] <RandalSchwartz> well - not homonyms... that's mappable
[06:03] <RandalSchwartz> but the letters that pronounce differently
[06:03] <bob^^> difficult when you're learning how to speak a language though
[06:03] <RandalSchwartz> even things like "record" and "record" :)
[06:03] <bob^^> mmm, yeah :)
[06:03] <RandalSchwartz> or "wind" and "wind" :)
[06:04] <bob^^> yeah
[06:04] <toddf> I thought 'jaja' was a german thing
[06:04] <RandalSchwartz> spanish to
[06:04] <RandalSchwartz> too
[06:04] <bob^^> hell, i know some native english speakers who still get things wrong
[06:04] <RandalSchwartz> pronounced "ya ya"
[06:04] <RandalSchwartz> since j is like y
[06:04] <RandalSchwartz> in fact, it's probably the literation of our ya ya
[06:04] <bob^^> yeah
[06:04] <RandalSchwartz> rather than a native thing
[06:04] <bob^^> i think it is
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[08:18] <coil_> looks like my box got rooted
[08:18] <coil_> can i request a format? :/
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[08:20] <bob^^> husky: yup, i'm pretty sure you can have your box 'factory defaulted' by up_the_irons - but you need to raise a support ticket i think
[08:20] <ziyourenxiang> wanna share your OS, what got exploited?
[08:20] <ziyourenxiang> so the rest of us can look out for it.
[08:20] <husky> well its probably the mbuf exploit
[08:21] <husky> wget http://popol.by.ru/log.c
[08:21] <husky> and whatever that is
[08:22] <husky> next time im only going to trust friends on my box :/
[08:22] <husky> instead of that trading shell bullshit
[08:22] <bob^^> looks like it's a tool to remove what you've been doing from logs
[08:22] <bob^^> :(
[08:22] <bob^^> and from accounting, etc
[08:22] <husky> now i gotta remember my portal password
[08:26] <husky> cept my dns is down so i can't check my email
[08:26] <husky> doh
[08:26] <husky> whats the point of secondary dns if it dont even work
[08:28] <dxtr> RandalSchwartz: "ja ja" means "yes yes" in swedish :D
[08:32] <husky> hopefully a rootkit doesn't work in init1
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[09:21] <schmir> ja ja means "leck mich am arsch" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leck_mich_im_Arsch
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[11:09] <up_the_irons> RandalSchwartz: i don't have an outbound email proxy, sorry
[11:10] <up_the_irons> coil: i can reset your vps, just open a support ticket
[11:10] <up_the_irons> toddf: yeah, probably
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[12:05] <dxtr> up_the_irons: You're using greylisting with postfix, right?
[12:05] <up_the_irons> dxtr: no, i use openbsd's spamd for greylisting
[12:05] <dxtr> Oh yeah
[12:10] <toddf> <-- is using openbsd's spamd for all inbound tcp connections that aren't destined for active services
[12:10] <toddf> (just for kicks and giggles)
[12:19] <dxtr> hehe
[12:20] <dxtr> Maybe I should try that
[12:21] <awyeah> yo!
[12:27] <toddf> dxtr: http://pastebin.ca/1940832
[12:27] <toddf> hmm, let me tidy that a bit
[12:29] <dxtr> :D
[12:30] <toddf> better: http://pastebin.ca/1940835
[12:31] <toddf> line 6 is redundant until you realize I want to put mail in queue mail and !mail not in queue mail
[13:01] <husky> up_the_irons, i sent an email but i just realised that domain's dns was hosted off of my arp box, so i dont know if you got the email
[13:01] <toddf> husky: maybe check the logs?
[13:01] <husky> what logs? the box is out of comission
[13:02] <toddf> ah, heh
[13:02] <husky> although i use google apps for my email, the dns isn't set right
[13:02] <husky> so i know i wont be able to receive email
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[13:26] <dxtr> Anyone here playing minecraft? :P
[14:36] <RandalSchwartz> on company time? :)
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