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[01:52] <mattx86> is anyone here good at reading smartctl output?
[01:53] <mattx86> I've never been sure about smartctl output.. always kinda fuzzy
[01:57] <mattx86> http://mattx86.org/pub/smartctl-all-sda.txt
[01:58] <mattx86> AFAICT, it's "ok", it's just not in the database, so the attribute values may not be correct
[02:25] <LT> if the drive thought there was a problem with some of the attributes it would usually write something in the error log
[02:25] <LT> as an extended test passed ok I would say it's fine
[02:35] <mattx86> ok
[02:42] <mattx86> I just spotted the SMART Error Log section that I'm sure you're referring to
[02:42] <mattx86> besides the SMART Self-test log structure section
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[02:49] <mattx86> one more question: would you guys say that KVM performs better than Xen?
[02:50] <mattx86> the reason I ask is that my linode (Xen) vps is always slow when typing recently
[02:51] <mattx86> I'm gonna disable my QoS and see it if helps
[03:04] <mattx86> looks like my adsl is what's (still) acting up  *sigh*
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[08:17] <mattx86> I just received an e-mail about this: http://www.realsoftware.com/web/
[08:18] <mattx86> sounds awesome from the bit I skimmed over
[08:18] <mattx86> for those of you into web development ^
[08:20] <mike-burns> Is that Visual Basic?
[08:21] <mattx86> the realstudio/realbasic stuff is like vb, but its cross platform
[08:21] <mike-burns> http://www.realsoftware.com/web/gallery/debugging_thumb.png
[08:21] <mike-burns> Oh that's not what I wanted.
[08:21] <mike-burns> http://www.realsoftware.com/web/gallery/debugging.png
[08:22] <mattx86> that's basically what realstudio looks like
[08:22] <mattx86> almost exactly in fact
[08:23] <mattx86> reminds me of Delphi for PHP
[08:23] <mattx86> except I didn't like that  heh
[08:23] <mike-burns> Yeah.
[08:23] <mattx86> in any case, this at least looks interesting
[08:23] <mike-burns> I don't think the Web is ready for WYSIWYG.
[08:24] <mike-burns> Which I think is what this is?
[08:24] <mattx86> btw, runrev, which is similar to realbasic/realstudio, has also had a web version for a little while
[08:24] <mattx86> but runrev is "out there" in terms of syntax
[08:25] <mattx86> yeah, looks like it, more or less
[08:25] <mattx86> I'd considered rolling my own wysiwig interface/framework in PHP and XML
[08:26] <mike-burns> runrev is an Algol syntax?
[08:26] <mattx86> I've got my own PHP framework (not yet released), but I'd basically dismissed the webgui idea as being overly complicated and too limiting
[08:26] <mike-burns> Yeah.
[08:26] <mattx86> hm.. not sure..  only tried the desktop version once
[08:27] <mattx86> I still get e-mails from them, but its nice to see what they're up to
[08:30] <mattx86> er, if you said anything after I mentioned the e-mails I still get, I accidentally did Ctrl+L on xchat and cleared the window's buffer
[08:30] <mattx86> I meant to do Ctrl+L in firefox for the address bar ;)
[08:30] <mike-burns> Ah I didn't, you lucked out.
[08:32] <mattx86> hey, do you guys know off hand if US-residents have to pay EU's VAT on services?
[08:33] <mattx86> I didn't think we did ... but this vps provider tells me otherwise
[08:33] <mattx86> (I'm signing up for ARP soon enough; I'm getting a US and UK provider for redundant service(s))
[08:35] <LT> VAT is different for products/services - I think you're exempt for products that are shipped out of the EU, but not services
[08:37] <mattx86> hrm
[08:39] <LT> out of interest what UK provider are you using? I have a vps in .nl that's a bit unreliable and could do with a new home
[08:40] <mattx86> it came down to a toss-up between goscomb.net and portfast.co.uk, because of the distro I plan to use, I need full hardware virtualization (HV)
[08:40] <mattx86> I strongly considered bytemark.co.uk, but they don't allow custom VPS's on their KVM setup (I'm assuming they use KVM in PV mode)
[08:41] <mattx86> so, with goscomb's lightning fast response times to e-mails (even on a sunday!), their hardware setup and routing peers, I decided to go with them
[08:42] <mattx86> basically, the only providers I considered were ones with IPv6 and HV mode
[08:44] <mattx86> I did run across 4 EU VPS providers that weren't listed at http://hosting.4or6.com/ and they're now the last 6 on there
[08:44] <mattx86> with portfast being one of them
[08:45] <mattx86> I can post the e-mails where I was asking those first three about their hardware/software if you want
[08:48] <mattx86> portfast tho, is basically identical to arp
[08:48] <LT> I'd never heard of portfast either... interesting. good work digging up those extra v6 providers
[08:48] <mattx86> although, you might have to request that you get placed on a newer node with a redundant PSU
[08:49] <mattx86> in fact, I would, if you decided to go with them.. but yeah, check it out
[08:49] <mattx86> yeah, np
[08:50] <mattx86> the thing with goscomb is that they don't use redundant PSUs, but they kinda compensate for that by have a RAID50 SAN
[08:50] <mattx86> having*
[08:51] <mattx86> thats my take though; not their words exactly
[08:52] <mattx86> portfast actually peers with goscomb, but looking at http://bgp.he.net/AS8916 seems to indicate that they don't pull all of goscomb's routes
[08:52] <mattx86> so that's kind of a turn off
[08:53] <LT> not having a redundant PSU isn't the end of the world anyway, so long as there's someone around to hot-swap it relatively quickly. I mainly need it for backup dns/mx so 100% uptime isn't paramount
[08:53] <mattx86> plus the fact that portfast kind of feels like a 2-man show or something along those lines
[08:54] <mattx86> however, the portfast guy did reply to me around noon saturday in the UK
[08:54] <mattx86> ah
[08:55] <mattx86> the second time, yesterday (monday), I sent an e-mail at what would have been around 2pm in the UK, but he replied around 11pm in the UK
[08:55] <mattx86> so, not sure about what happened there exactly
[08:56] <mattx86> relatively simple 2-question e-mail
[08:56] <mattx86> the first one on saturday, he replied to in about 2.5 hours or so - it was about 7 AM here when he replied, so I was happy
[08:58] <mattx86> it wouldn't have been a big deal really, except when I noticed how much faster goscomb was replying every time
[08:58] <mattx86> felt like the right choice
[08:59] <LT> quite a big difference in ram for the price though
[09:00] <mattx86> RAM, bandwidth, and disk!
[09:01] <mattx86> 128MB, 5GB, 50GB -> 512MB, 20GB, 100GB
[09:01] <LT> true... did you look at sovps? that's another one that's popped up since I last looked at the 4or6 list
[09:02] <mattx86> but I figured for the routes, the SAN, and fast service that goscomb seems to have, it was a better deal in the long run
[09:02] <mattx86> I did.. they also do blueroom whatcha-call-it
[09:03] <mattx86> yeah blueroomhosting.com
[09:03] <mattx86> RRD Labs
[09:04] <mattx86> there's a post on webhostingtalk, where they say sovps is the cheaper service they provide, with less/unmanaged support
[09:04] <mattx86> I can't remember what exactly I didn't like about them, except that their sovps site looked kinda funky
[09:04] <mattx86> (although it's basically the same layout as blueroom, but different colors, etc)
[09:05] <mattx86> I'd only e-mails those three providers though; goscomb, portfast, and bytemark
[09:06] <mattx86> I've only emailed*
[09:07] <mattx86> btw though, you might click the dedicated server link at the top of 4or6; you might find a provider that does both dedicated and vps that's not listed on the vps page
[09:09] <mattx86> but I better jump on this vps installation with goscomb before they close (that is, if they ever sleep)  heh
[09:09] <LT> thanks for the insight... you've obviously put quite a bit of thought into it, save me doing so
[09:09] <mattx86> I know I don't  hehe
[09:10] <mattx86> ah, you're welcome
[09:10] <LT> and can definitely recommend arp for your US VPS
[09:11] <mattx86> yeah, they seem like a good bunch
[09:11] <mattx86> that's why I scouted a nice UK VPS for so long
[09:17] <mattx86> btw, if you've never looked at webhostingtalk, check it out
[09:18] <mattx86> providers will often post coupon codes in the advertising -> vps subforums and what not
[09:19] <mattx86> no need to register..  i have an account I believe, but that's not the original intent I had when signing up years ago
[09:19] <mattx86> er, meant to say its free to view/search w/o an account
[09:20] <mattx86> people also post good/bad reviews of providers and ask questions and stuff
[09:20] <mattx86> ^ that was my original intent with the account
[09:21] <LT> yeah.. already know about that thanks, but reviews for the smaller providers seem to be quite rare
[09:21] <LT> anyhow, must be off
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[11:55] <gonzalo9> hi
[11:55] <gonzalo9> anyone here with a vps with openbsd?
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[11:55] <visinin> yep
[11:55] <visinin> what's up?
[11:56] <gonzalo9> works fine?
[11:56] <visinin> works beautifully.
[11:56] <gonzalo9> what service do you have?
[11:56] <gonzalo9> s/service/services
[11:57] <visinin> the 768mb of ram
[11:57] <gonzalo9> oh nice, I want that
[11:57] <gonzalo9> you have http/php/mysql ?
[11:59] <visinin> lighttpd/php/postgres
[12:00] <gonzalo9> sweet
[12:00] <gonzalo9> have arpnetworks any vm to test it?
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[16:34] <Dougy> shit its been a long time since i came here
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[16:40] <based> teach me how to dougy?
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[17:13] <Dougy> based: que?
[17:26] <fink_> do the dougywoogy
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[17:39] <RandalSchwartz> you put your left byte in, you take your left byte out...
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