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ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer bob^^: heh, just found this again while arguing with co-workers about using vi instead of nano: http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~orlovm/code/emacs/viman.gif :) mattx86: lol :)
I just care enough to know the basics of vi/vim, you know, in case I'm installing a bsd/linux distro that doesn't come standard with nano ;) ***: schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) mattx86: I have found myself attempting vi commands in nano recently though :P bob^^: :D
it's worth spending the time to get to know vi :) mattx86: IMO, the command mode of vi is what gets some/most people, including myself; I grew up with windows and notepad, so "insert mode" by default and using Ctrl/Alt key sequences are what I'm most used to mike-burns: You can set vim to start in insert mode. I'd have to look up how, but it's possible. mattx86: ahh
I didn't know that mike-burns: set insertmode " this goes in your ~/.vimrc mattx86: hm.. you can do regex search and search/replace in vi right? mike-burns: Yes. mattx86: I'll have to try this :)
also "vim -c start" or you could alias it in ~/.bashrc
feels weird though ;) but I'll tinker with it mike-burns: Well the more comfortable you get with vim, the less time you'll spend in insert mode. mattx86: do you guys recommend vim over vi? mike-burns: I do, yes.
It's all of vi, plus more features. RandalSchwartz: using vim over vi is like using svn instead of cvs... you didn't go far enough. :) mattx86: hehe
it appears that one side-effect of using 'set insertmode "' in ~/.vimrc is that you lose the escape key
http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Start_in_insert_mode_without_losing_your_escape_key mike-burns: Oh ^L seems to be ESC when using insertmode. mattx86: ah, yep
mike-burns: thanks for the tips :) mike-burns: Any time. Oh and let me plug my vim course on September 1st in Boston ...
(Just kidding.) mattx86: oh heh :P RandalSchwartz: "vim for dummies, because that's who uses it!" :) -: RandalSchwartz ducks mattx86: get em! :D mike-burns: RandalSchwartz: Are you an emacs guy? RandalSchwartz: of course.
I'm even IRC'ing from emacs :) mike-burns: Ah. I can respect that. RandalSchwartz: Terminal.app -> ssh -> screen -> emacs -> irc.el :) mike-burns: Well that's exausting, but whatever works! RandalSchwartz: the tough part was getting utf-8 all the way through mike-burns: I'm shocked you got that! RandalSchwartz: and yet, it works
I had to get every piece of that to know "hey, not latin-1... this is utf-8" mattx86: wow :) good work
on the other hand, I assume you're using OSX?
I was just thinking, that if you were using something like Fedora for your desktop, you probably wouldn't attempt anything more complex than necessary ;) RandalSchwartz: yeah OSX mattx86: cool RandalSchwartz: gah. svn is weird
I've accidentally been working in trunk/ when I should have been under branch/
now I have to figure out how to move my changes over
luckily I haven't committed yet
git is so much easier to understand :)
I suppose I could make a big patch, and try to apply it to the branch LT: just use git svn instead? mattx86: the most I've done with a VCS has been thru tortoisecvs on windows, but I'll be getting into using git soon though
aside from cvs/svn/git checkouts hehe RandalSchwartz: well - git svn won't help at this point
since I already have this dirty tree that I need to publish as a branch
even though it's sitting under trunk/*
but also only *some* of the files, and I don't know how svn ci picks files
the docs aren't clear -: RandalSchwartz starts reading the red-bean tutorial RandalSchwartz: darn it. that wasn't helpful enough
maybe I'll go hop onto #svn :) ***: LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)
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