heh, just found this again while arguing with co-workers about using vi instead of nano: http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~orlovm/code/emacs/viman.gif :)
lol :)
I just care enough to know the basics of vi/vim, you know, in case I'm installing a bsd/linux distro that doesn't come standard with nano ;)
I have found myself attempting vi commands in nano recently though :P
:D
it's worth spending the time to get to know vi :)
IMO, the command mode of vi is what gets some/most people, including myself; I grew up with windows and notepad, so "insert mode" by default and using Ctrl/Alt key sequences are what I'm most used to
You can set vim to start in insert mode. I'd have to look up how, but it's possible.
ahh
I didn't know that
set insertmode " this goes in your ~/.vimrc
hm.. you can do regex search and search/replace in vi right?
Yes.
I'll have to try this :)
also "vim -c start" or you could alias it in ~/.bashrc
feels weird though  ;)  but I'll tinker with it
Well the more comfortable you get with vim, the less time you'll spend in insert mode.
do you guys recommend vim over vi?
I do, yes.
It's all of vi, plus more features.
using vim over vi is like using svn instead of cvs... you didn't go far enough. :)
hehe
it appears that one side-effect of using 'set insertmode "' in ~/.vimrc is that you lose the escape key
http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Start_in_insert_mode_without_losing_your_escape_key
Oh ^L seems to be ESC when using insertmode.
ah, yep
mike-burns: thanks for the tips :)
Any time. Oh and let me plug my vim course on September 1st in Boston ...
(Just kidding.)
oh heh :P
"vim for dummies, because that's who uses it!" :)
get em! :D
RandalSchwartz: Are you an emacs guy?
of course.
I'm even IRC'ing from emacs :)
Ah. I can respect that.
Terminal.app -> ssh -> screen -> emacs -> irc.el :)
Well that's exausting, but whatever works!
the tough part was getting utf-8 all the way through
I'm shocked you got that!
and yet, it works
I had to get every piece of that to know "hey, not latin-1... this is utf-8"
wow :) good work
on the other hand, I assume you're using OSX?
I was just thinking, that if you were using something like Fedora for your desktop, you probably wouldn't attempt anything more complex than necessary ;)
yeah OSX
cool
gah.  svn is weird
I've accidentally been working in trunk/ when I should have been under branch/
now I have to figure out how to move my changes over
luckily I haven't committed yet
git is so much easier to understand :)
I suppose I could make a big patch, and try to apply it to the branch
just use git svn instead?
the most I've done with a VCS has been thru tortoisecvs on windows, but I'll be getting into using git soon though
aside from cvs/svn/git checkouts  hehe
well - git svn won't help at this point
since I already have this dirty tree that I need to publish as a branch
even though it's sitting under trunk/*
but also only *some* of the files, and I don't know how svn ci picks files
the docs aren't clear
darn it.  that wasn't helpful enough
maybe I'll go hop onto #svn :)