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   awyeah: mornin.
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   cedwards: anyone around that uses tinydns?
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   mdmarco: does arp keep a local/private mirror of openbsd packages?
   nesta: I doubt that
   coil: never heard of one
   mdmarco: any trick to installing packages? pkg_add with $PKG_PATH -> No packages available in $PKG_PATH
   nesta: read the OpenBSD ports/packages section in the FAQ on the OpenBSD website
   
 it's very simple
   mdmarco: i'm pretty comfortable with it
   nesta: cool, install your stuff then :)
   mdmarco: $ echo $PKG_PATH
   
 http://ftp3.usa.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.7/packages/amd64/
   
 $ sudo pkg_add python
   
 No packages available in the PKG_PATH
   
 Can't find python
   nesta: try
   
 pkg_add -iv
   mdmarco: i did. no verbose
   nesta: see if it gives output, I rmember this issue myself
   
 trying to recall
   
 yeh the FAQ is annoying on this one
   
 mh
   mdmarco: i can lynx(1) that url just fine
   nesta: yeh
   
 ergh
   
 can't remember
   
 :/
   mdmarco: and ftp(1) it just fine (the http://)  changing to ftp:// it hangs
   nesta: try
   
 um
   
 python-2.4.6p2
   
 use the full name see if it does anything
   mdmarco: no dice
   
 oh wait
   nesta: damn yeh I need to remember
   mdmarco: with the full url, it works
   nesta: yeh
   
 lame
   mdmarco: i guess i am spoiled running -current everywhere else
   nesta: mh
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   mdmarco: nesta: fml. operator error. export $PKG_PATH vs export PKG_PATH
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   nesta: hehe mdmarco
   
 you got it anyway?
   mdmarco: yea. works fine now
   nesta: awesome :)
   mdmarco: awesome would be packages via nfs  heh
   nesta: unmanaged vps is what you bought :P
   
 do any companies provide that sort of thing?
   mdmarco: true
   
 what, packages over nfs?
   nesta: yeh
   mdmarco: i dunno. i do it at home
   
 i like this vps tho. i'm pretty impressed
   nesta: ah okay
   
 awesome :)
   
 they do rock
   mdmarco: i got mine as a failsafe really
   
 i have a shell on a friend's box, but i'm trying to prevent the situation i'm in right now where i can't get to my stuff at home
   awyeah: I've been pretty happy with them as well.  So far, no downtime except when I reboot for freebsd updates.
   mdmarco: i more or less block all ipv4 in, but ipv6 to a certain machine is ok
   
 but, aiccu doesn't like reboots i guess, so i can't get back in
   
 so, once i get home, i'll setup an ipsec tunnel from home to the vps
   awyeah: Yeh
   
 I'm also doing some VPNish stuff
   
 OpenVPN.
   
 My apartment's network is tunneled, and my parents' network is tunneled.
   mdmarco: so if i can't get home, i can get to the vps, then go over the tunnel. the tunnel will be over ipv4. ipv4 at home works, but, i block it. oops
   awyeah: So I can access my parents stuff from home as if it's on my network and vice-versa.  Also I can access stuff on my network from the VPS as if it's local.
   
 It's pretty neat to have those capabilities, eh?
   mdmarco: i *really* want to get a little alix box at my parents and my in-laws and have that setup tunnels between all of us so we can share stuff super easily
   
 need funding tho  ha
   awyeah: I'm using dd-wrt.
   
 well, the VPS is the "concentrator"
   mdmarco: or maybe an armish box if we can get this port of openbsd going
   awyeah: but dd-wrt's got openvpn built into its vpn edition
   mdmarco: awyeah: how much traffic are you using every month for it?
   awyeah: Don't know yet, it hasn't been a month yet ;)
   mdmarco: heh
   awyeah: You know you can have them give you access to their cacti bandwidth monitoring softwaer
   
 so you can check on your traffic
   mdmarco: i saw the link for that article but didn't click it
   awyeah: Just shoot an e-mail over to support@arpnetworks.com
   
 Cause honestly, I don't think much traffic goes through the VPN stuff.
   mdmarco: but, that was part of the question behind packages over nfs. to save bandwidth
   awyeah: Also, this machine hosts web and DNS.
   
 Don't forget though.  Packages are usually fairly small and after the initial install, you won't be doing a lot.
   mdmarco: i know. i was just curious  =)
   awyeah: yep
   mdmarco: at home, i have a perl -e in cron that pulls the stems of installed packages, and downloads any updated packages for them
   awyeah: Ah
   mdmarco: all of them go in one place, and i have $PKG_PATH pointing to nfs where they all are
   awyeah: makes sense
   
 FreeBSD has a mechanism like that
   
 I can do "portupgrade -a" and then just sit back and watch
   mdmarco: obsd does too
   awyeah: oh, so you're just making it hard on yourself? :)
   mdmarco: i guess. heh. it's just a matter of setting $PKG_CACHE
   
 but, i'd still need a way to get the stems of installed packages off each box
   
 everything at home is {amd64,i386}-current
   
 but 3 boxes are old. the 2 alix and a little one running on a 256m flash
   
 upgrading them is a hassle
   awyeah: yeh
   
 well it's time for me to head home.  i'll be back on later.
   nesta: am joking
   
 woops
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   mdmarco: getting close to having openbsd booting on another armish device. not my work, but once this is going, i can help out hopefully
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   jdoe: mother of god
   
 ticket has been open 3 weeks
   
 been back and forth with the dude about how to delegate rdns
   
 fuck it, I'm tired, I'm just going to put in a ticket if I ever need to change it. This fucking guy.
   
 (to be clear, not with arpnetworks. I was just complaining about this in here before)