#arpnetworks 2010-08-06,Fri

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you alive? 		[07:26]
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nestayep
on my iphone out in town atm 		[07:48]
BeBoo_i got my VPS last night :D [07:49]
RandalSchwartzcool! [07:51]
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nestaawesome beboo i will be around later ifyou need any help :) [08:09]
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nestahiya BeBoo_ :) [09:52]
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BeBoo_BeBoo_ hugs nesta [10:25]
nestahehe
*hugs* 		[10:26]
BeBoo_whats the command to see all the hardware? i think it's lspci on linux [10:27]
Leftyless /var/run/dmesg.boot
that's what I use 		[10:27]
nestapciconf is usueful also [10:28]
BeBoo_i thought there was a command that listed all the hardware in a tree format
thats it... pciconf 		[10:28]
nesta;) [10:28]
BeBoo_building my kernel :D [10:29]
nestaw00t
I am re-building my friends vps atm 		[10:29]
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BeBoo_how do i scroll up when using vnc to console? [11:15]
mattx86Shift+Page Up/Down should do it [11:16]
BeBoo_well, i don't have a page up/down on my macbook but i usually use Fn+Up to get Page Up... so Shift + Fn + Up but it doesn't work [11:17]
mattx86Ctrl+Shift+Up/Down arrows also seems to scroll, but line-by-line [11:17]
BeBoo_no luck for me... maybe i'll connect on PC instead [11:18]
mattx86I am testing on a local gnome-terminal though, so it could be different [11:19]
nestaPC to the rescue! [11:20]
mattx86:) [11:21]
BeBoo_grr
TightVNC doesn't like me... i type in my port and it chops off the first two number
s 		[11:21]
had to turn on scroll lock on PC then up/down [11:27]
RandalSchwartzthere's some number offsets in some of the VNC clients
some of them use 10 to mean 5910
some of them use 5910 to mean that :) 		[11:28]
BeBoo_ah
intersting 		[11:30]
awyeahhrm de drm [11:32]
nestahi hi awyeah [11:32]
awyeahyo. [11:33]
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jdoeI guess I should probably update.. [12:38]
nestato? [12:39]
jdoeI dunno, 4.7, or the current patch level I guess.
none of the problems affects me, but it's there. Shrug. 		[12:39]
nestaOpenBSD yeh [12:41]
jdoeyeah. [12:47]
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BeBoo_boop [13:51]
IPv6Freelyhmm maybe ill keep my vps afterall [13:55]
BeBoo_:o
so i didn't get your recycled VPS, IPv6Freely ? lol 		[13:55]
IPv6Freely? [13:56]
BeBoo_it was a joke from yesterday
i believe it was RandalSchwartz who said the reason i didn't have my VPS yet was because we were waiting for Garry to recycle yours
lol 		[13:56]
IPv6Freelyoh i must have missed it
oh 		[13:56]
BeBoo_and i said i didn't want your broken zfs vps
lol 		[13:57]
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IPv6Freelylol it just needs a restore to "factory default" so i can run it normally without the zfs nonsense [14:20]
nesta^_^
hi BeBoo_ hows the kernel ? 		[14:21]
BeBoo_installed =] [14:22]
IPv6Freelyill still wipe and start again since i want partitions, but ive done that a billion times. I'll just steer way clear of zfs [14:22]
BeBoo_when are you coming back to BIRC, nesta ? [14:22]
nestaw00t
oh I have forgot the address
pm it to me 		[14:22]
IPv6Freelymy vps is still active so they havent deleted it yet [14:22]
so that wasnt that hard
http://scratching.psybermonkey.net/2010/06/freebsd-how-to-format-partition.html
remove slice and index section is exactly what i needed 		[14:30]
bob^^freebsd is good :)
nice and easy to sort it out when it breaks 		[14:30]
nestayep [14:30]
IPv6Freelyyea i just wasnt sure what to google for. thats the hard part, not so much fixing it but finding the correct search terms to get you what you need [14:31]
bob^^yeah indeed
once you get the hang of stuff like that it's all good fun
normally you'll get good help in here 		[14:31]
IPv6Freelyif i hadnt known about gpart i would have never been able to fix it [14:32]
bob^^my help would be: avoid zfs as a root partition ;) [14:32]
nestaI learned how to encrypt /home last night
that was fun 		[14:32]
IPv6Freelybob^^: heh thanks :)
nesta: ooh neat 		[14:32]
bob^^with the geom stuff nesta? [14:32]
IPv6Freelyim gonna be installing qemu on my vps :) lol [14:32]
nestabob^^: yeah I think so, geli ? [14:32]
bob^^yeah that's it :)
i think it's a geom module... very clever stuff
notice any performance issues? 		[14:32]
nestanot so far [14:34]
bob^^awesome [14:34]
IPv6Freelyughhhh qos
I just got a 5500+ line configuration of a Cisco 6509 that I need to decipher and rewrite. Funnnnn..... 		[14:34]
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bob^^hahah
that's quite some config
catos or ios? 		[14:40]
IPv6FreelyIOS [14:41]
bob^^ios <3 [14:41]
IPv6FreelyActually I only need to re-write the QoS part, but thats still probably 1000 lines [14:41]
bob^^ugh, qos :(
pita 		[14:42]
IPv6FreelyIt wouldn't be so bad if it was a router. I admit, Catalyst QoS is a weak point of mine.
I was just praying that I wouldn't get hit with Catalyst QoS on the CCIE lab. 		[14:42]
bob^^hehe [14:43]
IPv6FreelyLuckily, I didn't get any :) [14:43]
bob^^:D [14:45]
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IPv6Freelywoot
8.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Jul 19 02:36:49 UTC 2010 		[15:22]
nestayip
I just finished a fresh one of them for someone earlier :) 		[15:23]
BeBoo_up_the_irons: you around for a really quick question?
IPv6Freely: now, do your own kernel ;p 		[15:33]
nestahe is concentrating on virtualising juniper berries
I mean routers
:> 		[15:34]
BeBoo_mmm berries [15:36]
nestaencrypting another /home partition now :) [15:37]
IPv6FreelyBeBoo_: what for? [15:41]
BeBoo_? [15:41]
IPv6Freelywhat do i need my own kernel for? [15:41]
BeBoo_custom kernels use less mem and resources
good for VPSes so you have more resources at your disposal 		[15:41]
IPv6FreelyI wouldnt know what to remove [15:41]
BeBoo_i can send you mine, if you want [15:42]
IPv6Freelysure that'd be great [15:42]
BeBoo_64-bit, right? [15:42]
IPv6Freelyyep [15:42]
nestaI managed to get my kernel conf on my FreeBSD vps down to 90 odd lines [15:42]
IPv6Freelymkdir /root/cvsup
lolz 		[15:43]
nestao_O [15:43]
BeBoo_do you have the kernel source yet, IPv6Freely ? [15:44]
IPv6Freelyi dont [15:44]
BeBoo_do you have cvsup installed? [15:45]
IPv6Freelyas of about 3 seconds ago, yes [15:45]
nestayou don't need it
uhg
has lots of dependencies
when you build it
:-/
just use csup 		[15:45]
IPv6Freelyi dont build it [15:45]
BeBoo_eww
bad boy 		[15:45]
IPv6Freelypkg_add -r cvsup-without-gui
done. 		[15:45]
BeBoo_oh lord [15:45]
nestanesta shivers
don't bother, bob^^ 		[15:45]
BeBoo_BeBoo_ runs [15:46]
nestadon't bother, BeBoo_ [15:46]
IPv6Freelywhy would i build cvsup? [15:46]
BeBoo_you have a lot to learn about FreeBSD, IPv6Freely [15:46]
nestahe does not like to fiddle with things, he just wants ZFS and juniper routers in vm's [15:46]
BeBoo_packages are a no-no in freebsd [15:46]
nesta(lol)
;) 		[15:46]
BeBoo_lol nesta [15:46]
IPv6Freelyi dont want zfs no
but yes, i want my olive routers
why are packages a nono? 		[15:46]
BeBoo_because it's not built for your system
it's build for some system that *should* work with yours 		[15:47]
IPv6Freelyive never ever had a problem [15:47]
BeBoo_i have
never again will i ever use packages 		[15:47]
IPv6Freelyi build things for which i need custom compile options (like Apache for example). Packages for everything else.
I dunno ive been using freebsd for years and never had an issue 		[15:47]
nestaw00t another /home encrypted !
:D 		[15:50]
IPv6Freelywoot [15:50]
nestahehe it's surpisingly easy
painless rather 		[15:50]
IPv6FreelyIf I had a reason to do it I might try
But... look what happened the last time I tried somethig new... 		[15:50]
nestaI do things for the knowledge
rarely have a reason
:P
yah 		[15:50]
IPv6FreelyOh. I don't care abotu knowledge. [15:50]
nestayour only mistake in my opinion
was giving up 		[15:50]
IPv6FreelyI have more important things to become knowledgeable about, so I'd prefer to just have this work :)
(again, the reason I use OS X) 		[15:51]
nestamore important?
oh ta ta 		[15:51]
IPv6FreelyYes, like things I need for my career. [15:51]
nestabeing on IRC every night one of them?
:) 		[15:51]
IPv6FreelyI could use linux for a desktop and learn how to use linux.... orrrr... I could learn L3VPN in JUNOS. Tough call there... [15:52]
nestasounds like something that a lot of different people would have different opinoions on
opinions 		[15:52]
IPv6FreelyI agree. [15:52]
mattx86wait, what's this about juniper? you can test junos in a vm? [15:53]
IPv6FreelyI'm just explaining why I have no desire to learn certain things and prefer them to "just work" so I can spend my time on my own priorities.
mattx86: err. lol
mattx86: this is outdated, but will give you a good start: http://www.3fives.com/juniper-lab-using-olive
Thats how I did my JNCIA, using that lab 		[15:53]
mattx86soo.. this is free and the real deal? [15:55]
IPv6Freelywell its not technically legal
its not much different from using Dynamips to emulate cisco hardware
You dont own the license, and you need your own jinstall 		[15:55]
mattx86ah [15:56]
IPv6FreelyAnd is obviously worthless for pushing productio traffic [15:56]
mattx86maybe, maybe not.. I wouldn't do it though
heh 		[15:57]
nestalooks like fun
:) 		[15:57]
IPv6FreelyI won't be able to run a full lab on my VPS, but i can probably run a couple routers [15:57]
nestaI would have no interest though, I think [15:57]
mattx86its interesting, i agree [15:57]
IPv6Freelymattx86: if you were doing it on real hardware, maybe. In qemu, not so much.
I have it running on my lab server already ,it just kicks up a lot of heat.
Thats my "blog" btw 		[15:57]
mattx86IPv6Freely: there's also the virtual network switches and what not in VMware Workstation :) [15:58]
IPv6Freelythe Nexus 1000V?
Or the built in crap? 		[15:58]
mattx86hm? I meant built-in to VMware [15:59]
IPv6FreelyWhat about them, exactly? [15:59]
mattx86well, you can do virtual networks if I'm not mistaken [15:59]
IPv6FreelyThe Nexus 1000V is a Cisco product that turns your VMWare switches in to Cisco Nexus switches. [15:59]
mattx86dunno how good of one tho [15:59]
IPv6FreelySure, but thats worthless for me. [15:59]
BeBoo_nessus [16:00]
mattx86ah, I didn't know about that either
neat :) 		[16:00]
IPv6FreelyWord.
http://a.imageshack.us/img4/4614/screenshot20091105at115.png

thats my network lab
The server runs a full Juniper lab and a full Cisco lab 		[16:00]
nestamh tom waits [16:02]
IPv6Freelyhttp://a.imageshack.us/img269/4091/screenshot20090924at121.png and thats my cisco lab topology
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v353/7/22/80403768/n80403768_31174171_594.jpg
and thats the back of the server 		[16:02]
BeBoo_: can you pastebin that kernel conf? [16:10]
nestayou will likely not want to change anything, IPv6Freely
if you are doing this emulation stuff
you might need lots of the options 		[16:10]
BeBoo_IPv6Freely: http://beboo.pastebin.com/R87vWy5w
i don't normally touch the options
i just comment out the devices that i don't have/need 		[16:11]
nestawell I mean 'options' generally speaking [16:12]
BeBoo_lol
sorry 		[16:12]
nesta:P
my fault
you are correct hehe 		[16:12]
mattx86IPv6Freely: good grief that's slick... and I thought my setup was awesome [16:13]
IPv6Freelylol
got me my ccie :) 		[16:14]
mattx86IPv6Freely: I've got a small wooden rack with a router, switch, server, rackmounted power strip and battery backup unit
that's the kind of thing I need to do
but hey, I gotta be going. bbl 		[16:14]
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JacobWilsondoes anyone know, to get an OS installed on your vps
is it as simple as finding the .iso 		[19:11]
nestawhat OS do you want? [19:12]
JacobWilsonnot sure
i have a couple choices 		[19:13]
BeBoo_i would assume that garry would just need to mount the iso on your vps [19:13]
JacobWilsonwhat i was thinking also, thanks [19:13]
nestawell he does not do just *any* iso
I know that he does not do Redhat stuff
or prefers not to 		[19:13]
JacobWilsonlike netbsd
solaris
i may just go back with what i had
freebsd p3 		[19:13]
nestawhat is freebsd p3 [19:14]
BeBoo_O.o
8.0-p3? 		[19:14]
JacobWilsonyes [19:15]
BeBoo_8.1 is out [19:15]
nestauh 8.0 p-4 is out too [19:15]
JacobWilsonoh yeah thats right [19:15]
BeBoo_who wants to stay on 8.0?
lol
onward and upward! 		[19:15]
JacobWilsoni didnt know they released it
ive been gone a while, last time it was a beta 		[19:15]
BeBoo_you can always do bleeding edge and get 9.0-CURRENT
;p
lol nesta, i accidentally did that once... i got the kernel source for 9.0 and build a 9.0 kernel with 8.0 binaries
haha
uilt*
built* 		[19:16]
nesta:) [19:17]
BeBoo_omg
lets just say it didn't boot 		[19:17]
nestayeah I jusrt scrwwed up all that wordfk
I did earlier 		[19:17]
BeBoo_uh oh
how? 		[19:17]
nestathe one with encrtypted /home
it's gone
destroyed
:-/ 		[19:17]
BeBoo_i don't mess with that stuff
encryption
eh 		[19:17]
nestaoh gosh yeh [19:18]
BeBoo_never had any luck with it [19:18]
nestathe encryptiuon was fine
it was MAC/ACL stuff
and permissions 		[19:18]
BeBoo_ugh, i gotta get MAC goin
i forgot about that 		[19:18]
nestamy script had a bad line in it [19:18]
BeBoo_you haz script? [19:18]
nestalots
:) 		[19:18]
BeBoo_hiiii buddddddyyyyyyy [19:18]
nestagot sick of typing all that crap out [19:18]
BeBoo_BeBoo_ rubs against nesta [19:18]
nesta:) [19:19]
BeBoo_got one for MAC? i don't feel like setting it up
:D 		[19:19]
nestawell depends what you wanna do lol
bearing in mind I just destroyed a box with it
lool
mine is fine btw :P 		[19:19]
BeBoo_haha [19:20]
nestawell actually I think it was a permission
not MAC at all
I just spotted the line
the the script 		[19:20]
BeBoo_i was planning on this being a personal box and giving out shells to a few friends [19:20]
nestayeah after the latest exploit for FreeBSD
the sendfile one
I was like damn
gotta check these permissions
but I messed up one line :-/
it relies on cp /bin/sh /tmp/sh so 511 /bin/sh
is one example
:)
prevents the cp
of course there is a way round it but anyhow that's for another day 		[19:21]
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JacobWilsonno one around at this time usually? [20:22]
RandalSchwartzwe're around! [20:22]
JacobWilsoncool [20:23]
nestayep! [20:23]
RandalSchwartz"you got questions, we got answers!" [20:24]
nestaheheh [20:25]
BeBoo_someone help me with getting linux compat working? I try using kldload linux and it says kldload: can't load linux: Exec format error [20:29]
nestakernel options ;) [20:29]
BeBoo_i tried putting COMPAT_LINUX in kern conf and it says unknown option COMPAT_LINUX
O.o 		[20:29]
nestahehe [20:30]
BeBoo_ah, nvm [20:30]
nesta:) [20:30]
BeBoo_COMPAT_LINUX32
lol 		[20:30]
nestahehe [20:31]
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JacobWilsonI was just trying to get a time estimate (rough) on when my vps could be worked on [20:57]
nestahave you sent up_the_irons an email? [20:58]
RandalSchwartzit's been a day or two on the average, based on recent messages here [21:01]
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JacobWilsonnesta: yes I have
I also having problems with my other vps as well
and RandalSchwartz thank you
for giving me a time est. 		[21:07]
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IPv6Freelyoh god i must have compiled in an option that included fonts...
taking for fucking ever
... apparently the freebsd handbook... wtf? 		[21:29]
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RandalSchwartza veritable font of knowledge!
echo WITHOUT_X11=yes >>/etc/make.conf
without x, you can't have fonts. :) 		[22:21]
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IPv6FreelyRandalSchwartz: too late now! [23:25]
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IPv6Freelyoy [23:25]
RandalSchwartzwhat is too late? [23:34]
IPv6Freelyadding that to make.conf.. because that compile is already finished :P [23:37]
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