trying to make a gfx or wireless nic work
yeai  dont mind messing with a server (even then, not a fan - id rather get it working and not touch it)
oh I love fiddlin
hehe
in fact
mine is currently broke
as a result
yep, understood.. many do. Just not me :P
i dont use osx because im stupid (as the win/linux people say), but because im lazy... in that regard, at least.
I think windows it the 'hardest' of the lot
overall anyway
well part of it is that i dont like the whole open source philosophy
oh you don't?
aw okay
no. Sharing code and such is wonderful... it really is... im all about sharing knowledge
But when software A depends on software B being version x, and software C depends on software B being version y, and something breaks... ARGH.
Similar situation with java... i could run my packetshaper gui, but not my firewall gui, because each depended on a different version of java being installed. drove me nuts having to run a VM for one of them
kind of an offtopic example, but same idea
I think "dependencies" is high up there in the Reasons for Computer Frustration "Hall of Fame"
As I've always said "Linux works great, until it doesnt"
I always hear about how well ubuntu works and how easy it is... which is fine, until something breaks. Then you're screwed.
Unless you know what you're doing.
lol.. in which case you are not screwed
bit of a conundrum that
so basically, IPv6Freely, you are saying RTFM?
:)
But an OS thats supposedly computer illiterate friendly and so easy to use that requires you to know what youre doing to fix problems... well.. thats kind of a contradiction
hmm up_the_irons have you ever put NetBSD on a vps for anyone?
nesta: no
up_the_irons: make my damn vps :P
<3
okay, do you know is the IPV6 setup on OpenBSD similar to that on FreeBSD ?
google is not much use atm :S
mmm native ipv6 on arp... woot
IPv6Freely: patience patience.  i have a large order in front of you, an existing customer ordered 6 more VMs.  After I'm done with that order, I'll move into yours and the others I got this morning
yes, it rox my sox
IPv6Freely: :)
oh darn. no worries i guess
nesta: it is not really the same, config files are very different
yeah
IPv6Freely: you'll be set up in the next couple hours though, no problem
okay I guess it is re-install time for me hehe
damn MAC/ACL have screwed me
;-/
no problem up_the_irons ill be asleep im sure. :)
:)
64-bit fbsd8 right?
yeah
cool
IPv6Freely: your VPS is baking...
mmmh baked VPS
yummy
wooooo
what do you guys use for vnc on osx?
IPv6Freely: use chicken of the vnc
it's the only one that works lol
no copy paste function
k
stupid question time
how do i use F12 with a mac keybord? function+F12 just brings up my osx dashboard :S
got it, just unmapped function+F12 since F4 does dashboard anyway
heh so much for following that zfs tutorial
IPv6Freely: ZFS tutorial no good?
i try gpart destroy ad0 and it says device busy
i c
i suck at the internet
haha
i guess i cant follow this word for word afterall
aha! magic
"gpart delete -i 1 ad0" first :)
apparently i win at the internet... or at least my google-fu is strong
you are funny and silly hehe :P
damn it, i got it to work all the way down to "zfs unmount -a"
wooo all done
argh
up_the_irons: are you around?
where is the server physically located? I'm updating my geo record for stonehenge.com
wilshire annex, or something like that
Is there an easy way to do dynamic DNS with BIND?
from dhcp or something else?
it would have to be a remote update client.
Similar to the way dyndns or no-ip works.
a bit of googling - http://www.oceanwave.com/technical-resources/unix-admin/nsupdate.html
You Too can Google On Your Own for such Tasty Treats!(tm)
oh - nsupdate would be my recommendation
http://linux.yyz.us/nsupdate/
I just googled for "bind dyndns"
many hundreds of hits
is a useful link
Cool.
Or... are there any services out there that will not charge me to delegate a subdomain for dynamic DNs.
i do it the cheating way
freedns.afraid.org looks promising.
also, they run FreeBSD.
CNAME? :)
:)
saves a lot of hassle ;)
yeh. maybe I should just do that.  lots easier.
sooo... i did the zfs freebsd tutorial, but now no ssh to my vps :(
anyone who can answer a possibly dumbassed xmonad question?
IPv6Freely - did you remember to enable ssh? :)
you have to add that to /etc/rc.conf
installed it on the current ubuntu. The xmonad xsession it sets up works, but is ... barren. Xmonad doesn't seem particularly happy running inside of gnome though. When I change the wm from metacity -> xmonad with gconftool it ... works... sort of? As soon as gnome starts it seems to trample all over xmonad though.
draws the background over xmonad, hijacks keyboard etc.
... sshd_enable=YES
you should be able to log in on the console though
that's not ssh
even though you're sshing to get there. :)
RandalSchwartz: haha nope, never put that in.
im used to default installs where everything is just done for you in sysinstall :P
so you should be able to access the login prompt on the console
yea console is no problem
and login as root from there
then fix everything else
ok freebsd noob question - can i apply the changes i made in rc.conf without rebooting?
sorta
if you know which rc.d they map to, yes
you can say /etc/rc.d/sshd start, for example
for something installed from ports, it's in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/something
with a few exceptions, MUMBLE_enable maps to [/usr/local]/etc/rc.d/MUMBLE start
yea i know about that stuff
so its just a matter of manually starting whichever daemon ive changed
I imagine you could just run /etc/rc, but that might have nasty second-time consequences
fair enough, thanks
I never trust running initialization twice :)
yeah understood
haha thanks man :) ssh working now
crisis averted.
... and somehow it broke sound. Haha.
yeh
don't run /etc/rc :)
It does a lot of things.
some of which you may not want )
especially if you're remotely connected ;)
hahah right.l
wb RandalSchwartz
mmm does anyone here know.. if I install a base 8.0 system can I just csup source for 8.1 and upgrade straight to it or do I have to update the 8.0 first and then go to 8.1 ?
I didn't see anything in the 8.1 release notes that would imply that you had to be at the very latest 8.0
... http://www.freebsd.org/releases/8.1R/announce.html
cheers RandalSchwartz
I musta done some voodoo on my install yesterday, no idea why it went all pear shaped
hehe
try try again as they s ay
and this - http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html
and /usr/src/UPDATING, apparently
poop.
shit.
yeah I can buildworld in my sleep pretty much
but post install things were very odd
nice quit msg there
wb awyeah
Something got screwed up with my terminal and I couldn't fix it.
and why the hell do I not ever resolve
Can any of you resolve my address to the proper hostname?
what's your address? :)
oh
2607:f2f8:7400::2
yes it resolves for me
did you get DNS delegated yet?
Non-authoritative answer:
2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa        name = excelsior6.awyeah.net.
Yeah. then why can't freenode resolve it.
I got NXDOMAIN for that same query
wtf.
so maybe it depends on which nameserver
does ZFS work with multiple partitions?
Weird.  I haven't updated my DNS in a long time.
RandalSchwartz - can you dig it?
do you have a secondary that isn't refreshing?
what's the dig syntax?
dig 2607:f2f8:7400::2 AAAA
i need to get dns working for ipv6  on my vps
yeh dig is not work for me awyeah
yeah  dig can't find either
So you got NXDOMAIN on dig?
hrmph.
nslookup worked for me though
I get no answer
how does dig show NXDOMAIN?
sorry, I always use "host" not "dig" now
dig doesn't even work for me when I use @localhost on my box.
weird.
hah - this time with +trace on, I see it goes to arp, and arp delegates to 206.125.173.26 and 202.157.182.142
maybe one of those aren't refreshed
i need to buy a domain name to use with my vps
all of my domains suck :-/
hehe
I was drunk when I bought most of them
i really want to get ipv6 going on mine, but i dont know how ipv6 dns works
ahh - this is interesting - http://www.intodns.com/0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa
but id absolutely love having a website on ipv6 :)
see the red fails down below
ns1.awyeah.net is not responding to dns
hmmmmm
i could do ipv6freely.com :P
Still can't figure out what's going on. weird.
you mean you think ns1.awyeah.net is responding?
or you don't know why it isn't?
what part of "what's going on" are you missing?
I'm pretty sure the nameserver is responding, try again (it's the box I'm on, and when I loaded the intodns.com page it worked)
i'm also having issues with my dig syntax
dig +trace stopped before finishing too
hrm.
gave two nameservers for 0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa.
but then nothing past them
what was your full command line?
oops - getting pulled into meeting
sorry
well first, I had a bad record in the forward DNS for awyeah.net.
according to http://dnssy.com/report.php?q=0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.IP6.ARPA
the NS records are different between my stuff and ARP's stuff
and crappers, my nameserver didn't appear to return an SOA record.
jdoe: xmonad works great with gnome on Lucid, but I didn't enable it with gconftool.  Instead I followed: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_Gnome  under "2.1 A Simple Hybrid Alternative"
RandalSchwartz: server is physically located at: 900 N. Alameda, Los Angeles, CA 90012
cool.  now I just need to get lat/lon for that
up_the_irons: Hey, could you check something for me real quick+
34.058682, -118.235303
and now convert that to HMS
up_the_irons! Fine! Ignore me then .)
03-Aug-2010 14:43:12.646 security: info: client 173.88.161.245#64606: query (cache) '2607:f2f8:7400::2/PTR/IN' denied
Why the hell is it denying!
up_the_irons: yeah that wasn't the issue.
I wonder if it thinks it isn't authoritative for that.
up_the_irons: if I started xmonad from "xmonad.desktop" it worked fine, and fucked up as soon as I ran /etc/X11/Xsession or whatever.
I needed to tweak xmonad.hs to tell it to give space for the gnome panels etc.
jdoe: ah yeah, import GnomeConfig or some shit
i had to do that too
You said shit!
shit
You said shit!
...
shitshitshitshitshit
:(
You couldn't be awesome and see if you actually got my money? I got a receipt but can't for the love of god find something to you in my bank log
up_the_irons
dxtr: if you got a receipt, you were charged
well then
Problem solved :P
up_the_irons: not sure if GnomeConfig alone does it, or if I needed the manageHooks crap
either way, it was a disappointing experience with a distro package :P
jdoe: you need a couple other lines, yeah
ahoy
up_the_irons: yeah I dunno. I'm sure I'll give it another shot, xmonad.hs is just so ... it makes perl look like prose.
I needed to stop fucking around and get some work done :P
jdoe: LOL.  Haskell is funny, you either love it or hate it.  All the funny operators go over my head.  i'm just smart enough to copy & paste the right stuff, and change some lines to do what i want
up_the_irons: it's not really that I love it or hate it, it's that it means nothing to me.
up_the_irons: so I can cut and paste shit from the example configs and have it mostly work. Maybe. And have no idea what any of it actually does.
ie "layoutHook = avoidStruts $ layoutHook gnomeConfig"
wtf is that.
jdoe: welcome to xmonad :)
no kidding.
haha.
jdoe: yeah, no idea; it just seems to work :)
Haskell makes Perl look sane. :)
Or is it Perl that makes Haskell look insane?
or <+> which I gather is some sort of operator, but... no idea what it does.
it's a tie fighter :)
jdoe: i'm still wondering what "|||" does ;)
"illogical or"
double wall
lol
hi up_the_irons
"illogical or", I like that.
sorry for all this messing
;/
ie. OpenBSD requests
lol
bbiab
what. the. hell!
I think my nameserver thinks it isn't authoritative for the reverse stuff.
When I do allow-recursion { any }; - then I try to look it up, i get NXDOMAIN
otherwise it refuses it
Okay.  So it doesn't think it's authoritative for any of my reverse zones.
But all of my forward zones are A-OKAY
awyeah - can you pastebin the relevant lines from your masterconf
wooo irssi on my new vps
zone "0.8.0.3.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa" {         type master;         file "master/2607:f2f8:3080"; };
that's what I have
RandalSchwartz: is that your zfs tutorial?
no - this is to help awyeah
no im askig if you wrote that
nope.  where is it?
Ahh - it was cribbed from this channel though :)
oh. http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/
I couldnt do the gpart destroy ad0 without doing gpart delete -i 1 ad0 first
I thought you meant this - http://wiki.arpnetworks.com/wiki/ZFSonFreeBSD
Yes - you have to add that.  I should update that wiki page
since the disks come already configured
yea
also right at the end where it says "zfs unmount -a" i couldnt do that, said device busy
i could do all the set mountpoint lines too, except the legacy line
But... my install seems to be working
Yes that's my syntax as well
It also doesn't think it's authoritative for my IPv4 PTRs.
IPv6Freely - did you cd out of zroot
and were you also out of the chroot shell?
perhaps you didn't exit the chroot shell
awyeah - can you pastbin your zone file?
maybe I can compare it to mine
RandalSchwartz: i typed everything exactly as written
Not that that answers your questions, but yeah.
omfg.
 dig @localhost -t PTR 2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.IP6.ARPA
Oh well, the only thing i wasnt able to do is "zfs set mountpoint=legacy zroot", but my install seems to be working fine
;; ANSWER SECTION:
2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.IP6.ARPA. 172800 IN PTR excelsior6.awyeah.net.
it probably presumed legacy, or something
Anyway, so I'm pretty sure that I am configured properly now.
up_the_irons - any chance you can check your reverse delegation for the subnets assigned to my VPS?
awyeah - my dig worked
no wait
failed
no - worked
darn it - I don't grok dig very well
heheh
uh - weird.  host failed
but dig worked
are you sure you have dots in the right places in your reverse?
can you please paste your master zone somewhere?
it tried to look up a name under my default domain
which clearly, your name shoudln't be
just a quick sec.  Check this out.
querying my own reverse worked fine
dig -x  2607:f2f8:7400::2 +trace
You get a good answer (excelsior6.awyeah.net)
if you don't do +trace, you don't get a good answer.
yeah, that's similar to what I'm seeing
I bet that when you use +trace, it goes and looks it up at each nameserver
when you don't, it just looks it up at your nameserver.
ahh, might be a bad cache
but still, something is different... because your names are trying to be looked up under my default domain
I think you left out a period somewhere.
it's easy to miss.
You *do* have '.' after all your NS hosts, right?
like for me, it's NS red.stonehenge.com.
and NS ns1.he.net.
Yes
note the ending periods
and then I have:
$ORIGIN 0.0.0.0.0.8.0.3.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa. 0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 IN PTR red.stonehenge.com.
ugh
ffs
hi up_the_irons :(
that's so I don't have to have all those 0's :)
I remember having to count them though. :)
Yeah I mean I'm fairly familiar with the syntax... I'm pretty sure it's correct, named-checkzone gives me no errors
must be a cache then
and my server does appear to be answering authoriitatively
authoritatively
you're hosed until TTL :)
yeah
I hope it was a low TTL
try dig @excelsior.awyeah.net -x 2607:f2f8:7400::2
wow - a lot of the top-level nameservers are talking to me in v6
nice
especially since he.net says in general, v6 is faster than v4
probably thanks to he.net :)
anyway, back to $DAYJOB
 /wii nuke`
wah
:)
cool so i have this vps
now... what to do with it...
is it FreeBSD ?
of course :)
well you should update to the newest release, get the latest patches
well thats no fun :P
there is a FreeBSD exploit for the all unpatched ones at the moment
local root
it's advisable :)
bah. ill have to look into doing that, im assuming its not like it used to be
hehe
I made this wayyyyy back. its not still done like this is it? http://3fives.com/tmp/freebsd.html
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html
use the Handbook
looks pretty much the same
uhhh
no
okay, it does to me
okay
meh, ill do all that when i really have nothing better to do
it's fun if you ask me
but whatever
heh thats far from fun :P
I wouldn't go around adding any users until you do though
it's fun for me :)
i just have my user and my root user
since you cant ssh as root :P
ah okay
well you _can_
but
not advisable
because of the security hole?
sure
k
more /usr/src/UPDATING
I mean if you ssh keys I _suppose_ it's "okay"
but I still would not
until ive updated you mean?
hm? no I just mean you could use ssh keys to ssh in as root because then no one could sniff a pass
but it's not advisable nonetheless
oh gotcha
okay so i should follow that rebuilding world part of the handbook top to bottom
yes sir, at the moment I am having issues but generally that *just works*
I am noobin it up at the moment
:'(
why does it have the makekernel stuff at the top and then again half way down?
well it gives a few example
s
diff scenarios
im very confused
24.7.1 tells you do the buildworld and buildkernel, and then 24.7.7.2 has you doing make buildworld again
it is kinda confusing but basically its just, make buildkernel && make buildworld && make installkernel && reboot to single user && cd /usr/src && mergemaster -p && make installworld && mergemaster && Reboot
yeah its just different ways
if you read closely
jesus christ this stuff is way too complicated
Do you guys have any pro-tip for backing up configuration files?
rsync /usr/local/etc and /etc to somewhere?
dxtr: I just tar them up and bring em home with scp
nesta: Well I have a lot of configuration files :D
Thing is I didn't know about that local root exploit. Now I've got to re-install my VPS(!!!) just to be sure
And firsthing I do is update it
tar -cvvpzf /usr/backup/localetc.tar.gz /usr/local/etc&
etc
thats what I do
then chown then .gz's to a user and scp them home
I tend to do things a bit funny though so :)
ymmv
Hehe
... alright... been mostly productive... time to fuck around with xmonad again...
xmonad is cool
wtf, irssi just said "day changed to 04 Aug 2010"... wtf timezone is this in
GMT-1? :P
fail
depends on what ya set it to
:P
UTC
i set it to PDT last night. its definitely not midnight PDT
aka "real time" :P
the One True Time :)
at least you didn't set it to swatch time :)
IPv6Freely - what does "date" say?
jdoe: since i went through the xmonad dance again recently, here's my build log of xmonad on my netbook: http://pastie.org/private/afxnwva4wjujbxb4k4laxw
might help, might not; take what you like
Wed Aug  4 00:03:44 PDT 2010
yeah, that's wrong
heh
ntpdate ntp.pool.org
that'll snap it to the right time for now
just hope you haven't done any makes for a while
yea looking at ntp config in the handbook
ntp is already configged
just enable it
ntpdate_enable=YES
ntpd_enable=YES
then /etc/rc.d/ntpd start
do NOT edit the ntp conf file
it's already correct out of the box
Where do I start if I'd like to reinstall?
I mean, where do I insert the CD? :P
tharrr we go.
the DVD is already installed
I know the rest
just hit f12 during boot up
Oh, neat
and remember to wipe ad0 :)
thanks RandalSchwartz i was doing that as you were typing it ;)
up_the_irons: right on, thanks. I'm trying to preserve as much of gnome as I can though, I just want something better than metacity :)
RandalSchwartz: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad0? :P
up_the_irons: ... so if you have any xmonad.hs-fu that's not specific to dzen, gwmenu or whatever I'm all ears.
Tue Aug  3 17:06:09 PDT 2010  yay
not really necessary, unless you have hostile local root users
in which case, you have a bigger problem
it'd have to be someone who can read the raw disk
otherwise, freebsd does a pretty good job of handing you zeros on new blocks
RandalSchwartz: Well, I'm installing because I might've gotten my VPS rooted (Here I was thinking FBSD 8.0-RELEASE was kind of safe :P)
right - but you're wiping it
as in, new install
RandalSchwartz: something I used to like doing was going to linode, provisioning a new machine with the smallest disk I could get away with (like a 400MB debian install or wahtever) and then creating a virtual disk with the rest of my quota
Yeah
the bits that aren't part of the blocks are meaningless
... and scraping it for ssh keys, gnupg keyrings etc.
apparently linode doesn't/doesn't wipe disk before providing it to users.
ewww ouch
(I just did it as a PoC, no malicious intent)
remind me to continue to not recommend linode :)
I dunno.
I recommend here now.
but if someone doesn't like it for whatever reason, I still recommend linode.
(arpnetworks has more of a small-company feel, some people are skittish about that)
IPv6Freely?  what are you lost about now?
whatever you guys are talking about
it's not for you then. :)
clearly :)
dxtr: fbsd 8.0 IS safe. You did something to fuck it up ;)
(probably)
jdoe: Well, local root exploits are making me paranoid ;)
you have untrusted local users?
I guess I'm lucky that way
all my local users are trusted
they all have root too :)
RandalSchwartz: Well, one
dxtr: there haven't been many of those in 8. I think there's been one or two things that required a reboot. freebsd-update is your friend. You DO cron it, right? ;)
you should put that untrusted user in his own jail :)
RandalSchwartz: Yeah, "I'll do that later" :D
Have been my motto for a couple of weeks
haha.
jailing probably isn't a silver bullet if it's an escalation in the kernel, but it's... generally a good idea.
up_the_irons: you got some props here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1569559
up_the_irons :p
cmeiklejohn: fuck hackernews :P
that site/feed is such garbage.
... props are awesome and all, I just felt like venting some HN rage ;)
heh
ok then.
hey he.net has a DNS service now.
any idea how i manually set my nameservers for my v6 and v4 reverse?
cmeiklejohn: ah cool!
yeah, I'm moving all of my domains to he.net
one at a time of course
thats what i wanna use :P
I'm just going to use them as a slave for now, I like bind.
bind doesn't like me.
but I like bind.
especailly because you get *five* slaves all over the *world* for free
ive got all my stuff there.
fast fast slaves
all but one are v6 too
now if up_the_irons would fix my reverse, I coudl advance to the *next* level on the ipv6 certification
RandalSchwartz: I got my stuff there too -- got my Sage cert too ;)
wait, they slave on *all* their DNS servers?
Yes.
host -t ns stonehenge.com
my stuff is in six places around the world
I'm up to profession, waiting on guru
professional
RandalSchwartz: cool
hmmmm
awyeah: hrmm/
?
hi
i probably have kids in more countries.
smokey: ?
o/~ I've got friends... in low places... o/~
where the whiskey drowns ..
glenlivet here.
12 years old.
<3
shopping for more cigars now...
"I like my whiskey like I like my women..." :)
really? cheap and nasty?
"18 year old"
glennfiddich has an 18 year old single malt i think
they do
The Macallan 25.  Nectar of the GOds
the green bottle
$450 a fifth
and worth the $20/shot
?
smokey?
jdoe said my name...
i like nice cigars to much to bother with spending to much on single malt scotch/whiskey ....single malt is good enough... i am partial to makers mark and glenlivet...
oh
the makers mark cigars are awesome to.
lol
lol
same here :x
smokey: you were asking you to set nameservers for reverse.
smokey: and I was asking (poorly) for you to elaborate ;)
ipv6 is crap...noone uses it...maybe 10% of the internet even has access to ipv6 natively right now....from their own isps....
right now my v4/v6 use ns1/2.arpnetworks.com i'd like to switch em to ns(1-5).he.net
time to eat.
i submitted a ticket..now i wait!
ive lived in 5 states over the past 3 years ...and never had an isp offer native ipv6
:/
and setting up ipv6 tunnel is justmore trouble than its worth..
twiggz - your (minority) opinion is noted, and will go on your permanent record.
truth is, we're outta v4 in a year or so
and yes, major ISPs are spinning up v6 projects
thats what they say, sure.
and have you seen tunnelbroker.net?
you can have a v6 tunnel in about 10 minutes
and sure, "spinning up" does not = OFFERING IPv6
or miredo, to get a tunnel anywhere you're natted
so...
twiggz - you live in the US, apparently
yes, i do.
internationally, the story is different
i know.
the US is hogging most of the remaining v4
because we know we're backwards :)
RandalSchwartz: seems unlikely, there's still a ton of space that can be reclaimed.
(re: running out)
we also get to have guns.
jdoe - not politically
damn us!
not politically? I'm talking about reserved blocks, not assigned /8s
the reserved blocks are running out
about a year left
thats what they said a year ago
sorry, its true.
heh, yes, we've been running out for quite some time.
... and while I'm sure it's coming soon, I don't think it's coming *that* soon.
a year ago they said "we wont have any left in a year"
it has slowed down a bit
a year passes....i still get ipv4 addys
but it won't *keep* slowing down
the recession helped. :)
best guess is 322 days now
under a year
ill bet you money
for real
noones running out of ipv4 addys in 322 days
hell
ill give you 340 dys.
shit, i should give you a year.
probably two...
if ipv4 addys were so scarse ...my isp would have a real problem with giving each of my 6 pcs and laptops in the house their own ipv4 address...
if i hooked up another hub to the hub i have...id get more ipv4 addys ...lol..
no need for it...i dont have enough boxen.
or fingers?
kvm switches are useful :)
but yea, "ill bet a fiddle of gold against your soul" that in a year noones running out of ipv4 addys.
we heard ya
good.
;p
since that statement is already false, you already lose
you have to justify wanting a /27 or bigger these days
all the way up to ARIN
haha, you cant possibly know its false.
I just gave my evidence
you are guessing.
no - that's fact
and so is arin.
ask up_the_irons
anyway, you've proven your ignorance.  we can stop now
ok, we'll see in a year
they said the same crap last year
it didnt happen
lol
hrm
truth is, people are always going to be getting laid off, fired, quitting jobs.....and not being able to afford their internet ......the economy is not getting any better here.....so its a safe bet...in a year they will still not have run out of ipv4 addresses no matter what up_the_irons  or arin says.
bet me money.
troll is obvious troll.
only thing worse than a troll is a fail troll
:-X
sorry, im not the one calling people names.
not to mention im right.
np
you must have thought I was referring to you then?
...ahh
:)
just because some op in this channel and arin guesses so does not make his arguement correct.
hehe
covering my ass :)
i dont care what you think of me.
ipv4 does not care what you think of it either
yep.
thats why it will still be available a year from now.
so why all the to do
:D
nice blog
dont worry, i like my arp vps...ill be around for atleast a year (im sure you hope not), so we'll see.
i dont think i have a blog.
i have a ning social network for my irc network...and posted a few bits on it....but i dont blog..
if i blogged....id also have to carry a pastel colored powerbook to barnes n nobles every weekend...
(or put apple made POS *book in place of powerbook)
lol
"ARIN, RIPE and APNIC, and the Internet community are conducting discussions on the question whether organizations that require IPv4 addresses can acquire them from other organizations."
man I hope they kill that. A market for IPv4 addresses is pretty much the worst possible way to address this.
Yup
speculating in the spot market on a /17 :)
and certain legacy organizations with /8's would make out like banshees
not really fair
comcast would reassign me from its 4/8 pool hourly
"no packet for an hour? you lose your address!"
DHCP valid times of 90 seconds :)
yeah.
haha. When I requested an IPv6 allocation (incorrectly, but whatever) my provider thanked me for using it.
I lol'd.
I have, I think 3 or 4 ipv6 /48's now
so I can enumerate all the grains of sand in the earth a few times over. :)
I asked for a /64 because honestly I'm just going to fuck around.
up_the_irons is of course correct and I should have requested a /48
yeah - you get a /64 just for the routed tunnel :)
the rest of /48
is for all of your dinking around
yep.
oh well.
I can always bug them, they haven't actually GIVEN me the allocation yet.
hrm.
I don't tunnel to home and links doesn't have js. I'll be a newbie forever ;)
any staff here?