[00:00] trying to make a gfx or wireless nic work [00:00] yeai dont mind messing with a server (even then, not a fan - id rather get it working and not touch it) [00:00] oh I love fiddlin [00:00] hehe [00:00] in fact [00:00] mine is currently broke [00:00] as a result [00:00] yep, understood.. many do. Just not me :P [00:01] i dont use osx because im stupid (as the win/linux people say), but because im lazy... in that regard, at least. [00:01] I think windows it the 'hardest' of the lot [00:01] overall anyway [00:02] well part of it is that i dont like the whole open source philosophy [00:02] oh you don't? [00:02] aw okay [00:02] no. Sharing code and such is wonderful... it really is... im all about sharing knowledge [00:03] But when software A depends on software B being version x, and software C depends on software B being version y, and something breaks... ARGH. [00:04] Similar situation with java... i could run my packetshaper gui, but not my firewall gui, because each depended on a different version of java being installed. drove me nuts having to run a VM for one of them [00:04] kind of an offtopic example, but same idea [00:05] I think "dependencies" is high up there in the Reasons for Computer Frustration "Hall of Fame" [00:07] As I've always said "Linux works great, until it doesnt" [00:08] I always hear about how well ubuntu works and how easy it is... which is fine, until something breaks. Then you're screwed. [00:08] Unless you know what you're doing. [00:08] lol.. in which case you are not screwed [00:08] bit of a conundrum that [00:09] so basically, IPv6Freely, you are saying RTFM? [00:09] :) [00:09] But an OS thats supposedly computer illiterate friendly and so easy to use that requires you to know what youre doing to fix problems... well.. thats kind of a contradiction [00:09] hmm up_the_irons have you ever put NetBSD on a vps for anyone? [00:09] nesta: no [00:10] up_the_irons: make my damn vps :P [00:10] <3 [00:10] okay, do you know is the IPV6 setup on OpenBSD similar to that on FreeBSD ? [00:10] google is not much use atm :S [00:11] mmm native ipv6 on arp... woot [00:11] IPv6Freely: patience patience. i have a large order in front of you, an existing customer ordered 6 more VMs. After I'm done with that order, I'll move into yours and the others I got this morning [00:11] yes, it rox my sox [00:11] IPv6Freely: :) [00:11] oh darn. no worries i guess [00:11] nesta: it is not really the same, config files are very different [00:12] yeah [00:12] IPv6Freely: you'll be set up in the next couple hours though, no problem [00:12] okay I guess it is re-install time for me hehe [00:12] * up_the_irons gets back to work [00:12] damn MAC/ACL have screwed me [00:12] ;-/ [00:12] no problem up_the_irons ill be asleep im sure. :) [00:13] :) [00:14] 64-bit fbsd8 right? [00:15] yeah [00:15] cool [00:16] *** nakano_ is now known as nakano [00:36] * nesta twiddles thumbs while the OS re-installs [01:01] *** LT has joined #arpnetworks [01:02] *** Lefty has joined #arpnetworks [01:07] IPv6Freely: your VPS is baking... [01:08] mmmh baked VPS [01:08] yummy [01:11] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [01:20] wooooo [01:24] what do you guys use for vnc on osx? [01:24] IPv6Freely: use chicken of the vnc [01:24] it's the only one that works lol [01:24] no copy paste function [01:24] k [01:32] stupid question time [01:32] how do i use F12 with a mac keybord? function+F12 just brings up my osx dashboard :S [01:32] *** Lefty has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [01:36] got it, just unmapped function+F12 since F4 does dashboard anyway [01:38] heh so much for following that zfs tutorial [01:39] IPv6Freely: ZFS tutorial no good? [01:39] i try gpart destroy ad0 and it says device busy [01:41] i c [01:41] i suck at the internet [01:41] haha [01:42] i guess i cant follow this word for word afterall [01:45] *** Lefty has joined #arpnetworks [01:45] aha! magic [01:46] "gpart delete -i 1 ad0" first :) [01:46] apparently i win at the internet... or at least my google-fu is strong [01:49] you are funny and silly hehe :P [02:13] damn it, i got it to work all the way down to "zfs unmount -a" [02:22] wooo all done [02:39] * dxtr just came back from work [04:42] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [05:51] argh [05:51] up_the_irons: are you around? [06:21] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [06:32] *** rVn_- has quit IRC (Quit: bye.) [07:08] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:19] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [07:20] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:47] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [07:57] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks [07:57] where is the server physically located? I'm updating my geo record for stonehenge.com [07:57] wilshire annex, or something like that [08:13] Is there an easy way to do dynamic DNS with BIND? [08:19] from dhcp or something else? [08:38] it would have to be a remote update client. [08:38] Similar to the way dyndns or no-ip works. [08:39] a bit of googling - http://www.oceanwave.com/technical-resources/unix-admin/nsupdate.html [08:39] You Too can Google On Your Own for such Tasty Treats!(tm) [08:39] oh - nsupdate would be my recommendation [08:40] http://linux.yyz.us/nsupdate/ [08:40] I just googled for "bind dyndns" [08:40] many hundreds of hits [08:40] is a useful link [08:47] Cool. [08:47] Or... are there any services out there that will not charge me to delegate a subdomain for dynamic DNs. [08:47] i do it the cheating way [08:47] freedns.afraid.org looks promising. [08:48] also, they run FreeBSD. [08:48] CNAME? :) [08:48] :) [08:48] saves a lot of hassle ;) [08:55] yeh. maybe I should just do that. lots easier. [09:00] *** nakano is now known as nakano_ [09:17] *** LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [11:03] *** vtoms has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [11:07] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [11:15] sooo... i did the zfs freebsd tutorial, but now no ssh to my vps :( [11:19] anyone who can answer a possibly dumbassed xmonad question? [11:20] IPv6Freely - did you remember to enable ssh? :) [11:20] you have to add that to /etc/rc.conf [11:20] installed it on the current ubuntu. The xmonad xsession it sets up works, but is ... barren. Xmonad doesn't seem particularly happy running inside of gnome though. When I change the wm from metacity -> xmonad with gconftool it ... works... sort of? As soon as gnome starts it seems to trample all over xmonad though. [11:21] draws the background over xmonad, hijacks keyboard etc. [11:21] ... sshd_enable=YES [11:21] you should be able to log in on the console though [11:21] that's not ssh [11:21] even though you're sshing to get there. :) [11:22] * RandalSchwartz stops talking until IPv6Freely faces this way again [11:22] RandalSchwartz: haha nope, never put that in. [11:22] im used to default installs where everything is just done for you in sysinstall :P [11:22] so you should be able to access the login prompt on the console [11:22] yea console is no problem [11:22] and login as root from there [11:22] then fix everything else [11:23] ok freebsd noob question - can i apply the changes i made in rc.conf without rebooting? [11:24] sorta [11:24] if you know which rc.d they map to, yes [11:24] you can say /etc/rc.d/sshd start, for example [11:25] for something installed from ports, it's in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/something [11:26] with a few exceptions, MUMBLE_enable maps to [/usr/local]/etc/rc.d/MUMBLE start [11:26] yea i know about that stuff [11:26] so its just a matter of manually starting whichever daemon ive changed [11:26] I imagine you could just run /etc/rc, but that might have nasty second-time consequences [11:26] fair enough, thanks [11:27] I never trust running initialization twice :) [11:27] yeah understood [11:27] * RandalSchwartz wanders off [11:28] haha thanks man :) ssh working now [11:30] crisis averted. [11:30] * jdoe stabs haskell [11:49] *** cedwards has quit IRC (Changing host) [11:49] *** cedwards has joined #arpnetworks [11:55] *** vtoms has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [11:57] ... and somehow it broke sound. Haha. [12:08] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [12:24] yeh [12:24] don't run /etc/rc :) [12:24] It does a lot of things. [12:24] some of which you may not want ) [12:33] especially if you're remotely connected ;) [12:34] hahah right.l [12:37] wb RandalSchwartz [12:54] mmm does anyone here know.. if I install a base 8.0 system can I just csup source for 8.1 and upgrade straight to it or do I have to update the 8.0 first and then go to 8.1 ? [12:55] I didn't see anything in the 8.1 release notes that would imply that you had to be at the very latest 8.0 [12:56] ... http://www.freebsd.org/releases/8.1R/announce.html [12:56] cheers RandalSchwartz [12:56] I musta done some voodoo on my install yesterday, no idea why it went all pear shaped [12:56] hehe [12:56] try try again as they s ay [12:57] and this - http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html [12:57] and /usr/src/UPDATING, apparently [12:57] poop. [12:57] shit. [12:57] *** awyeah has quit IRC (Quit: EPIC5-1.1.2[1638] - amnesiac : A)bort, R)etry, I)gnore, V)alium?) [12:57] yeah I can buildworld in my sleep pretty much [12:58] but post install things were very odd [12:58] nice quit msg there [12:58] *** awyeah has joined #arpnetworks [12:59] wb awyeah [12:59] Something got screwed up with my terminal and I couldn't fix it. [13:00] and why the hell do I not ever resolve [13:00] Can any of you resolve my address to the proper hostname? [13:00] what's your address? :) [13:00] oh [13:00] 2607:f2f8:7400::2 [13:01] yes it resolves for me [13:01] did you get DNS delegated yet? [13:01] Non-authoritative answer: [13:01] 2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa name = excelsior6.awyeah.net. [13:02] Yeah. then why can't freenode resolve it. [13:02] I got NXDOMAIN for that same query [13:02] wtf. [13:02] so maybe it depends on which nameserver [13:02] does ZFS work with multiple partitions? [13:02] Weird. I haven't updated my DNS in a long time. [13:02] RandalSchwartz - can you dig it? [13:02] do you have a secondary that isn't refreshing? [13:02] what's the dig syntax? [13:03] dig 2607:f2f8:7400::2 AAAA [13:03] i need to get dns working for ipv6 on my vps [13:03] yeh dig is not work for me awyeah [13:03] yeah dig can't find either [13:03] So you got NXDOMAIN on dig? [13:03] hrmph. [13:03] nslookup worked for me though [13:04] I get no answer [13:04] how does dig show NXDOMAIN? [13:04] sorry, I always use "host" not "dig" now [13:05] dig doesn't even work for me when I use @localhost on my box. [13:05] weird. [13:05] hah - this time with +trace on, I see it goes to arp, and arp delegates to 206.125.173.26 and 202.157.182.142 [13:05] maybe one of those aren't refreshed [13:06] i need to buy a domain name to use with my vps [13:06] all of my domains suck :-/ [13:06] hehe [13:07] I was drunk when I bought most of them [13:07] i really want to get ipv6 going on mine, but i dont know how ipv6 dns works [13:08] ahh - this is interesting - http://www.intodns.com/0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa [13:08] but id absolutely love having a website on ipv6 :) [13:08] see the red fails down below [13:08] ns1.awyeah.net is not responding to dns [13:09] hmmmmm [13:09] i could do ipv6freely.com :P [13:16] Still can't figure out what's going on. weird. [13:19] you mean you think ns1.awyeah.net is responding? [13:19] or you don't know why it isn't? [13:19] what part of "what's going on" are you missing? [13:21] I'm pretty sure the nameserver is responding, try again (it's the box I'm on, and when I loaded the intodns.com page it worked) [13:21] i'm also having issues with my dig syntax [13:21] dig +trace stopped before finishing too [13:21] hrm. [13:22] gave two nameservers for 0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa. [13:22] but then nothing past them [13:22] what was your full command line? [13:23] oops - getting pulled into meeting [13:23] sorry [13:26] well first, I had a bad record in the forward DNS for awyeah.net. [13:37] according to http://dnssy.com/report.php?q=0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.IP6.ARPA [13:37] the NS records are different between my stuff and ARP's stuff [13:38] and crappers, my nameserver didn't appear to return an SOA record. [14:00] *** vtoms has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [14:00] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [14:00] *** vtoms has left [14:17] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [14:20] jdoe: xmonad works great with gnome on Lucid, but I didn't enable it with gconftool. Instead I followed: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_Gnome under "2.1 A Simple Hybrid Alternative" [14:21] RandalSchwartz: server is physically located at: 900 N. Alameda, Los Angeles, CA 90012 [14:33] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [14:33] *** vtoms has left [14:34] cool. now I just need to get lat/lon for that [14:34] up_the_irons: Hey, could you check something for me real quick+ [14:34] 34.058682, -118.235303 [14:35] and now convert that to HMS [14:38] up_the_irons! Fine! Ignore me then .) [14:41] 03-Aug-2010 14:43:12.646 security: info: client 173.88.161.245#64606: query (cache) '2607:f2f8:7400::2/PTR/IN' denied [14:41] Why the hell is it denying! [14:41] up_the_irons: yeah that wasn't the issue. [14:41] I wonder if it thinks it isn't authoritative for that. [14:41] up_the_irons: if I started xmonad from "xmonad.desktop" it worked fine, and fucked up as soon as I ran /etc/X11/Xsession or whatever. [14:42] I needed to tweak xmonad.hs to tell it to give space for the gnome panels etc. [14:45] jdoe: ah yeah, import GnomeConfig or some shit [14:45] i had to do that too [14:46] You said shit! [14:46] shit [14:46] You said shit! [14:46] ... [14:46] * dxtr giggles [14:47] shitshitshitshitshit [14:47] :( [14:47] You couldn't be awesome and see if you actually got my money? I got a receipt but can't for the love of god find something to you in my bank log [14:47] up_the_irons [14:48] dxtr: if you got a receipt, you were charged [14:48] well then [14:48] Problem solved :P [14:48] up_the_irons: not sure if GnomeConfig alone does it, or if I needed the manageHooks crap [14:48] either way, it was a disappointing experience with a distro package :P [14:49] jdoe: you need a couple other lines, yeah [14:50] *** IPv6Free1y has joined #arpnetworks [14:50] ahoy [14:51] *** IPv6Freely has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [14:51] *** IPv6Free1y is now known as IPv6Freely [14:51] *** IPv6Freely has quit IRC (Changing host) [14:51] *** IPv6Freely has joined #arpnetworks [14:52] up_the_irons: yeah I dunno. I'm sure I'll give it another shot, xmonad.hs is just so ... it makes perl look like prose. [14:52] I needed to stop fucking around and get some work done :P [14:53] jdoe: LOL. Haskell is funny, you either love it or hate it. All the funny operators go over my head. i'm just smart enough to copy & paste the right stuff, and change some lines to do what i want [14:54] up_the_irons: it's not really that I love it or hate it, it's that it means nothing to me. [14:54] up_the_irons: so I can cut and paste shit from the example configs and have it mostly work. Maybe. And have no idea what any of it actually does. [14:54] ie "layoutHook = avoidStruts $ layoutHook gnomeConfig" [14:54] wtf is that. [14:54] jdoe: welcome to xmonad :) [14:54] no kidding. [14:54] haha. [14:54] jdoe: yeah, no idea; it just seems to work :) [14:55] Haskell makes Perl look sane. :) [14:56] Or is it Perl that makes Haskell look insane? [14:56] or <+> which I gather is some sort of operator, but... no idea what it does. [14:57] it's a tie fighter :) [14:57] jdoe: i'm still wondering what "|||" does ;) [14:58] "illogical or" [14:58] double wall [14:59] lol [14:59] hi up_the_irons [14:59] "illogical or", I like that. [14:59] sorry for all this messing [14:59] ;/ [14:59] ie. OpenBSD requests [14:59] lol [15:03] bbiab [15:06] what. the. hell! [15:07] I think my nameserver thinks it isn't authoritative for the reverse stuff. [15:07] When I do allow-recursion { any }; - then I try to look it up, i get NXDOMAIN [15:07] otherwise it refuses it [15:12] *** nuke` has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [15:13] *** schmir has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [15:17] * awyeah gives up [15:27] Okay. So it doesn't think it's authoritative for any of my reverse zones. [15:27] But all of my forward zones are A-OKAY [15:30] awyeah - can you pastebin the relevant lines from your masterconf [15:31] wooo irssi on my new vps [15:31] zone "0.8.0.3.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa" { type master; file "master/2607:f2f8:3080"; }; [15:31] that's what I have [15:32] RandalSchwartz: is that your zfs tutorial? [15:33] no - this is to help awyeah [15:33] no im askig if you wrote that [15:33] nope. where is it? [15:34] Ahh - it was cribbed from this channel though :) [15:34] oh. http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/ [15:34] I couldnt do the gpart destroy ad0 without doing gpart delete -i 1 ad0 first [15:34] I thought you meant this - http://wiki.arpnetworks.com/wiki/ZFSonFreeBSD [15:35] Yes - you have to add that. I should update that wiki page [15:35] since the disks come already configured [15:35] yea [15:35] also right at the end where it says "zfs unmount -a" i couldnt do that, said device busy [15:35] i could do all the set mountpoint lines too, except the legacy line [15:36] But... my install seems to be working [15:36] Yes that's my syntax as well [15:37] It also doesn't think it's authoritative for my IPv4 PTRs. [15:38] *** sbp_ has quit IRC (Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )) [15:39] IPv6Freely - did you cd out of zroot [15:39] and were you also out of the chroot shell? [15:39] perhaps you didn't exit the chroot shell [15:39] awyeah - can you pastbin your zone file? [15:39] maybe I can compare it to mine [15:40] RandalSchwartz: i typed everything exactly as written [15:41] Not that that answers your questions, but yeah. [15:41] omfg. [15:41] dig @localhost -t PTR 2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.IP6.ARPA [15:41] Oh well, the only thing i wasnt able to do is "zfs set mountpoint=legacy zroot", but my install seems to be working fine [15:42] ;; ANSWER SECTION: [15:42] 2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.IP6.ARPA. 172800 IN PTR excelsior6.awyeah.net. [15:42] it probably presumed legacy, or something [15:45] *** UncooL has joined #arpnetworks [15:45] Anyway, so I'm pretty sure that I am configured properly now. [15:45] up_the_irons - any chance you can check your reverse delegation for the subnets assigned to my VPS? [15:49] awyeah - my dig worked [15:49] no wait [15:49] failed [15:49] no - worked [15:49] darn it - I don't grok dig very well [15:50] heheh [15:50] *** UncooL has quit IRC (Quit: .) [15:50] *** awyeah has quit IRC (Quit: Reconnecting) [15:50] uh - weird. host failed [15:50] but dig worked [15:51] are you sure you have dots in the right places in your reverse? [15:51] *** awyeah has joined #arpnetworks [15:51] can you please paste your master zone somewhere? [15:51] it tried to look up a name under my default domain [15:51] which clearly, your name shoudln't be [15:52] just a quick sec. Check this out. [15:52] querying my own reverse worked fine [15:52] dig -x 2607:f2f8:7400::2 +trace [15:52] You get a good answer (excelsior6.awyeah.net) [15:52] if you don't do +trace, you don't get a good answer. [15:52] yeah, that's similar to what I'm seeing [15:53] I bet that when you use +trace, it goes and looks it up at each nameserver [15:53] when you don't, it just looks it up at your nameserver. [15:53] ahh, might be a bad cache [15:54] but still, something is different... because your names are trying to be looked up under my default domain [15:54] I think you left out a period somewhere. [15:54] it's easy to miss. [15:55] You *do* have '.' after all your NS hosts, right? [15:55] like for me, it's NS red.stonehenge.com. [15:55] and NS ns1.he.net. [15:55] Yes [15:55] note the ending periods [15:55] and then I have: [15:55] $ORIGIN 0.0.0.0.0.8.0.3.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa. 0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 IN PTR red.stonehenge.com. [15:56] ugh [15:56] ffs [15:56] hi up_the_irons :( [15:56] that's so I don't have to have all those 0's :) [15:56] I remember having to count them though. :) [15:56] Yeah I mean I'm fairly familiar with the syntax... I'm pretty sure it's correct, named-checkzone gives me no errors [15:56] must be a cache then [15:56] and my server does appear to be answering authoriitatively [15:56] authoritatively [15:56] you're hosed until TTL :) [15:56] yeah [15:56] I hope it was a low TTL [15:57] try dig @excelsior.awyeah.net -x 2607:f2f8:7400::2 [15:57] wow - a lot of the top-level nameservers are talking to me in v6 [15:57] nice [15:57] especially since he.net says in general, v6 is faster than v4 [15:58] probably thanks to he.net :) [15:58] anyway, back to $DAYJOB [16:04] *** nuke` has joined #arpnetworks [16:06] /wii nuke` [16:06] wah [16:06] :) [16:07] cool so i have this vps [16:07] now... what to do with it... [16:09] is it FreeBSD ? [16:09] of course :) [16:10] well you should update to the newest release, get the latest patches [16:10] well thats no fun :P [16:11] there is a FreeBSD exploit for the all unpatched ones at the moment [16:11] local root [16:11] it's advisable :) [16:11] bah. ill have to look into doing that, im assuming its not like it used to be [16:12] hehe [16:14] I made this wayyyyy back. its not still done like this is it? http://3fives.com/tmp/freebsd.html [16:16] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html [16:16] use the Handbook [16:16] looks pretty much the same [16:17] uhhh [16:17] no [16:17] okay, it does to me [16:17] okay [16:19] meh, ill do all that when i really have nothing better to do [16:20] it's fun if you ask me [16:20] but whatever [16:20] heh thats far from fun :P [16:20] I wouldn't go around adding any users until you do though [16:20] it's fun for me :) [16:20] i just have my user and my root user [16:20] since you cant ssh as root :P [16:20] ah okay [16:21] well you _can_ [16:21] but [16:21] not advisable [16:21] because of the security hole? [16:21] sure [16:21] k [16:21] more /usr/src/UPDATING [16:21] I mean if you ssh keys I _suppose_ it's "okay" [16:21] but I still would not [16:22] until ive updated you mean? [16:22] hm? no I just mean you could use ssh keys to ssh in as root because then no one could sniff a pass [16:23]