[00:17] wiki theme is nicer [00:29] cedwards: do you mind if I copy some of the stuff you wrote on arpwiki.com and put it on the official wiki? (the new http://wiki.arpnetworks.com) [00:30] specifically, I was eyeballing the Arch Linux stuff [01:08] quiet in here, almost TOO quiet... [01:09] *** LT has joined #arpnetworks [01:12] *** Jestre has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [01:13] *** Jestre has joined #arpnetworks [01:39] 57 people in here and it is 1:45 AM PST. pretty good... #growing [01:52] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [02:11] 58 [02:12] though most of them are asleep... the joys of irc [02:13] i'm awake :) [02:13] but then again, it's 10:15am here :) [02:14] there is that too... if you really want lots of people here in the early hours PST start offering VPS in europe [02:14] that would be great [02:15] something UK based ;) [02:30] oh man, to manage a presence that far away... [02:30] it's hard to imagine at the moment [02:30] still need to fill up LA [02:30] ;) [02:33] I'd probably start with east coast US first... I may get deal on space from CoreSite since I already buy a lot of space from them [02:33] i should say, "a lot" [02:33] i'm sure Activision (a cage neighbor) thinks it's small [02:35] it'd be eeeassyyy [02:36] send me some hardware and i'll do the rest for you :) [02:36] yeah... bob^^ would do it all for you... for free [02:36] well i can certainly provide the space, power and addressing... :) [02:36] sadly not for free, though :( [02:37] heh... at least you've got some power - that's trouble enough in london [02:37] yeah, it is a bit of a nightmare these days [02:37] i believe we've got a whole cab sitting idle in telehouse north atm [02:38] because they want crazy money for power [02:38] most of our stuff is in Manchester [02:38] * up_the_irons ships a server to bob^^ [02:39] :D [02:39] i have the addresses, but interestingly... do i need to get RIPE addresses if I have a box in Europe? or can I use my ARIN blocks? I haven't had a reason to figure that one out yet.. [02:39] you'd need something from RIPE [02:39] they are *seriously* difficult to work with [02:40] ugh [02:40] however as a 'new' player over here you'd probably get on fine [02:40] it's when you're requesting more addresses that they go all strict and make you justify everything you already have [02:40] ...with graphs showing DHCP allocations, etc etc etc [02:40] it's ridiculous [02:40] haha, interesting. it's the opposite with ARIN [02:41] first block is the hardest, then they are easy [02:41] yeah, i've heard that... you guys are lucky :) [02:41] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [02:41] i'm hoping to send another request in at the end of the year... see what i can justify [02:42] we asked for an ipv6 allocation *just* for testing [02:42] they said no [02:42] and then the *next* time i'd qualify for another request, we'll be all out of Ipv4 anyway ;) [02:42] clearly they're worried they're going to run out ;/ [02:42] hahhaha [02:42] i'll give you a /48 for testing... [02:43] ;) [02:43] ;D [02:43] /48's are totally routable [02:43] although perhaps your upstreams would give you shit.. "where did THIS come from?!" [02:44] lol, probably [02:44] our main transit supplier doesn't seem all that bothered about implementing ipv6 [02:44] that's just sad [02:44] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [02:44] they'll already be too late [02:44] in my experience, their attitude is pretty standard over here [02:45] but then when RIPE refuse you a testing allocation, it's not really a surprise [02:45] silly thing is if you hadn't mentioned it was for testing they'd probably have give you a /32 [02:45] yeah [02:45] indeed [02:46] if you do ever decide you'd like some kit over here though just shout [02:46] am happy to help sort things out/be remote hands [02:48] bob^^: yeah sure thing, i'll definitely prefer working with someone i know than a random data center [02:49] indeed :) [02:49] as long as you avoid putting kit in london prices are pretty reasonable too [02:50] the biggest sting is likely to be transit costs, i think i've said before how much some providers expect you to pay [02:54] yeah [02:54] well, it'll just be cost of doing business; bandwidth prices will have to be higher for EU VPS's then [02:54] yup, indeed [02:54] to ZFS zealots, this needs some love: http://wiki.arpnetworks.com/wiki/ZFSonFreeBSD [02:55] heh, i'm not brave enough yet to try it ;) [02:56] :) [02:57] well, it's been a long day, time to get off this thing; perhaps when i wake up tomorrow i'll see a wiki article or two... [02:57] * up_the_irons wanders off [03:01] :) [03:17] *** Lefty has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [03:24] *** nakano_ is now known as nakano [04:21] Blargh [04:27] Good mornin [04:34] *** nakano is now known as nakano_ [04:35] *** nakano_ is now known as nakano [04:35] *** nakano is now known as nakano_ [04:35] *** nakano_ is now known as nakano [04:45] *** nakano is now known as nakano_ [04:51] *** nakano_ is now known as nakano [05:20] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [05:30] *** nesta_ has quit IRC (Quit: bye) [05:31] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [05:32] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [06:20] up_the_irons: take what you need from the wiki. that's what it is (was) there for. [06:27] was? [06:27] nesta: I had created a community wiki, which I see has now been replaced with a proper one. [06:30] ah okay [06:35] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [06:36] *** vtoms has left [06:54] *** nesta_ has joined #arpnetworks [06:54] *** nesta_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) [06:55] *** nesta_ has joined #arpnetworks [06:59] *** mattx86 has joined #arpnetworks [07:05] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:08] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [07:35] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [08:01] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [08:48] *** nesta_ has quit IRC (Quit: bye) [08:50] *** nesta has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [08:51] *** bone has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [08:51] *** b0ne has joined #arpnetworks [08:57] *** nesta has joined #arpnetworks [09:02] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [09:17] *** LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [09:38] *** j3m has joined #arpnetworks [09:39] up_the_irons: can I get the FreeBSD 8.1 disc in my virtual drive really quick, I broke something trying to update to 8.1 and need the 8.1 cd to fix it [09:41] I just put in a ticket, but was wondering if you could just switch it quick if it doesn't take long due to the fact that all my stuff is currently down and people are not happy with me [09:41] :D [09:41] Fail [09:41] ppl are always unhappy [09:41] fuckem [09:41] :P [09:41] lol [09:42] for reference, do not use freebsd-update to go from 8.0 to 8.1 when booting from zfs [09:43] true story [09:43] anyone else try that? [09:46] ah well, just goes to show 'google everything first' is not a habit I should have broken [09:46] hehe [09:47] especially with ZFS!!!!?!?!? [09:47] ps. freebsd-update also sux [09:47] :P [09:47] but ZFS is so nice and shiny! how could ever fail me? [09:47] young grasshopper you have much to learn [09:48] always [09:48] same [09:48] :P [09:49] I don't use ZFS myself [09:49] have thought about giving it a go [09:49] I have been very happy with it other than the high memory requirements, but then I guess that pays off in the caching it does [09:50] well, and then this problem now, lol [09:52] mh hmmm [09:52] hehe [09:52] it is still a bit too 'beta' for me [09:57] snapshots are nice though, especially when combinied with jails [09:58] I dunno what that really means >_< [09:58] hehe [09:58] I use ezjail and default filesystem [09:59] well, the snapshots zfs lets you take, which are very fast and very cheap to do, are great for backing up the state of jails and they are very quick to restore as well [10:00] speaking of that, maybe I should just restore my snapshot in the time being [10:00] until I can fix this problem [10:00] *** _Ehtyar has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [10:00] *** _Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [10:02] *** nesta has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [10:11] *** nesta has joined #arpnetworks [10:14] <`nh> morning [10:33] *** Ahmed has joined #arpnetworks [10:33] hello [10:33] You guys allow IRC and provide IPv6 allocation, yes? [10:33] yes they do :) [10:34] Cool [10:34] any SLA guarantee? [10:35] i wonder about that too bro [10:35] I do hear nice stuff about ArpNetworks, but SLA is important [10:35] maybe up_the_irons can answer this question [10:37] Ahmed: Why wouldn't a VPS provider allow IRC? [10:37] Sounds lame :P [10:37] dxtr: you would be surprised ☺ [10:37] No IRC No IPv9 [10:37] IPv6 even, heh [10:37] Never heard of [10:37] You haven't looked [10:37] ... [10:38] FreeBSD VPS, this is something I've been missing too [10:38] yeah its really radical idea [10:38] ❥ FreeBSD [10:38] Either that or I live in a country where the ISPs try to not limit what the customer is doing with their product ;) [10:39] heh [10:39] hit the voicemaol [10:39] Btw, I read on Twitter that OpenBSD supports wide chars now! Just waiting until they implement it in the mainstream release [10:39] That's just plain epic [10:40] is it? [10:40] Yeah [10:40] does FreeBSD support that? [10:40] Yeah [10:40] ah okay [10:40] you use Open I take it? [10:41] nsyndaemon -K -d -i 1 [10:41] Opps [10:41] Nope I dno't [10:41] don't [10:41] Because it doesn't (didn't) support wide chars ;) [10:42] To be fair I use it on my router [10:42] But I'm totally missing the wide char support [10:43] *** Lefty has joined #arpnetworks [10:50] *** IPv6Freely has joined #arpnetworks [10:50] g'day [10:53] hey up_the_irons :) [10:54] lol, nice nick :) [10:54] Thanks sir :) [10:54] jlgaddis recommended you guys, I think I may just sign up :) [10:55] \o [10:55] nothing but good things to say here [10:55] had my VPS (freebsd 8) for a good few months now, no issues [10:56] That FreeBSD special is super tempting, though I may just try out one of the smaller plans for now. Decisions, decisions. [10:56] treat yourself :) [10:56] <`nh> special or nothing! [10:57] haha fair enough [10:57] <`nh> ;P [10:57] <`nh> im wondering how long it will take to setup, i tend to like instant gratification [10:57] <`nh> even though, i assume if i was to order it when i was going to (last week) it would be up by now [10:57] ha [10:58] it depends how much free space there is [10:58] looks like there is actually free space at the moment, so i'd have thought you'd be up pretty quick [10:59] <`nh> interesting [11:01] i had to wait for a slot, but mine was up within 48 hours [11:03] <`nh> thats a long wait [11:03] IPv6Freely: just fyi I got the 15 dollar deal and it's fine for my needs. I even managed to fdisk it up with seperate partitions on a 10gb disk, / /tmp /var /usr /home [11:03] took some work hehe [11:04] is it not a standard partition scheme by default? [11:04] Nope [11:04] its all on / by default [11:04] you can do what you like after you get it though [11:04] <`nh> o0 [11:04] anyone want to try and help me with a zfs on root/boot problem that is likely my own fault? [11:05] <`nh> you made /boot zfs? [11:05] j3m: try to catch RandalSchwartz if you see him [11:05] I did that when I first installed 8.0 from scratch I believe [11:06] nesta: thanks, I'll watch for him [11:06] nesta: huh... okay. So how would you do that? Do they have some sort of remote console you can use while reinstalling the OS? [11:06] yes, VNC over ssh tunnel [11:06] yes IPv6Freely ... it rocks [11:06] vnc application [11:06] hmm rad. [11:06] and you can boot from cd via it [11:06] it is v sexy [11:06] it is seriously cool actually :) [11:07] I tried to upgrade from 8.0 to 8.1 using freebsd-update [11:07] hehe yes [11:07] and useful when you break things :D [11:07] I _still_ have no gotten over it tbh [11:07] lol [11:07] not* [11:07] it's liek woah [11:07] I think its the vm stuff that arp uses it too.. its great [11:08] <`nh> vnc to console? [11:08] yeah [11:08] <`nh> i thought that was common withing vps providers [11:08] <`nh> within* [11:09] Just signed up :) [11:09] most vps providers implementations seems to be broke as hell [11:09] from what I have seen and heard [11:09] <`nh> ive only ever used another popular bsd vps provider that will remain nameless here [11:09] <`nh> mainly because their cs sucks butt [11:10] something went wrong with that update, I have since read that others have had problems: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=15131 [11:10] <`nh> got to read UPDATING brah [11:11] I always have in the past, my brain didn't get out of bed this morning it seems [11:11] :-/ [11:12] <`nh> monday for ya :P [11:12] now I am in trouble and if someone familiar with zfs booting on freebsd could help I would be supremely in their dept [11:12] dept* [11:12] see, brain, can't think today [11:13] debt* [11:13] <`nh> damn, wish i could help you man, but i dont have the experience with zfs to be any kind of help [11:13] hey don't you know the rule [11:13] Never update on Monday. [11:13] <`nh> lol [11:13] good rule [11:13] <`nh> or friday [11:14] I just made it up and tbh, it is a good one :) [11:14] although... [11:14] friday! [11:14] I updated earlier [11:14] lol [11:14] never do ANYTHING on a friday [11:14] is the rule we use ;) [11:14] <`nh> ^ [11:14] yeh bob^^ [11:14] hehehe [11:14] <`nh> so tru, so damn tru [11:14] j3m: wish I had some idea buddy, hopefully RandalSchwartz will arrive with magical help soon [11:14] *paging* RandalSchwartz *paging* RandalSchwartz [11:15] lol [11:15] lol [11:15] he is very friendly he won't mind being paged I'm sure [11:15] >_< [11:15] does anyone know what happens if you run ' [11:16] <`nh> nothing? [11:16] <`nh> or is that a trick question [11:16] 'gpart bootcode -b /mnt2/boot/pmbr -p /mnt2/boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ad0' on a mbr by accident as well, because, there is a slight chance I may have done that [11:17] sorry, erroneous enter [11:18] instead of rolling back my zfs to the working state, I tried to go forward with the update and ran that command, but there is a chance I didn't even use gpt on this box [11:18] which i realized after [11:19] but, maybe that is not the case, I need to find out now though, because booting gives 'Invalid partition table' now... [11:19] <`nh> hm [11:19] however, zfs still intact and can read with zfs import from fixit shell [11:20] <`nh> tried the "fixit" in sysinstall? [11:20] all data appears to be intact and I have rolled back the zfs to the pre-update snapshot I took [11:21] but ever since I ran the gpart command I am getting Invalid partition table [11:21] even after the rollback [11:21] I'm sorry to hijack the channel for this problem, I've never dug myself into hole quite like this though... [11:22] <`nh> not sure if this would help, but check this out: http://romain.blogreen.org/Blog/2010/02/ZFS%3A_unsupported_ZFS_version_14_(should_be_13) [11:23] that shouldn't be a problem for me, I am pretty sure the pool is still version 13 [11:23] from freebsd 8.0 [11:23] or it wouldn't work from the fixit shell (I think) [11:25] yeah, just checked, is version 13 [11:26] thanks though [11:28] I think my problem is now that I messed up my partitions with that command, it is likely that I was running an MBR based system and that command wrote GPT stuff to my disk and confused things... [11:28] <`nh> hm, i wonder [11:29] if I am right, I need to find a way to recreate a working partition table without affecting the data on my ZFS partition [11:30] and dumb me can't find a record of the disklabel values [11:30] <`nh> theres got to be some fbsd pros here [11:31] at the very least typing this stuff in is theraputic and helping me problem solve, lol [11:31] hope I am not bugging people here [11:32] <`nh> not me dude [11:33] j3m: when people stop replying and its gets all uncomfortably silent.. thats usually when I stop [11:33] :) [11:33] <`nh> lol [11:33] lol [11:33] <`nh> that usually means no one knows [11:33] thanks :) [11:34] rofl [11:35] well, if anyone spots a freebsd expert and/or RandalSchwartz give me a shout [11:35] <`nh> have you poked your head into #freebsd? [11:36] ##freebsd [11:36] ;) [11:36] see, that seems like great advice, and the kind you forget about when in the midst of the problem [11:37] also #freebsdhelp [11:37] j3m: us noobs gotta keep track of this stuff ok!? [11:37] hehe [11:37] thanks :) [11:46] <`nh> the countdown to vps setup is on :) [11:47] :D [12:49] *** nesta has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [12:52] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [12:53] *** nesta has joined #arpnetworks [13:27] *** Ahmed has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [13:41] *** Ahmed has joined #arpnetworks [13:41] *** Ahmed is now known as Guest76082 [14:00] *** Guest76082 is now known as Ahmed [14:00] *** Ahmed has quit IRC (Changing host) [14:00] *** Ahmed has joined #arpnetworks [14:00] up_the_irons, around? [14:07] *** vtoms has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [14:07] up_the_irons: I think I need the full 8.1 disc, the boot only disc you installed for me does not load into the fixit shell. [14:09] If it is going to take awhile just put be back on 8.0 for now until 8.1 is downloaded. [14:13] j3m: 8.0 is back. i'm downloading 8.1 full dvd. eta 30 mins [14:13] 24 now [14:13] okay, thanks [14:13] np [14:13] up_the_irons, got a minute? [14:13] Ahmed: for? [14:14] sales talk. [14:14] trying to call the company # but no luck, always hitting voicemail. [14:14] https://s-hphotos-ash1.fbcdn.net/hs321.ash1/28193_1469077971411_1367449706_1286262_463159_n.jpg <- Nice picture of me and my girlfriend I just found [14:15] lol nice [14:15] :D [14:15] * schmir thinks about leaving this channel :) [14:15] we can help with that [14:15] :o [14:17] up_the_irons: is there a way to snapshot my entire virtual disk, even if just until I find a way to fix my problem? [14:17] I have to fix my partitions, but my ZFS volume is intact [14:17] I don't want to break it any worse while trying to fix it... [14:18] If that makes any sense... [14:19] why not jsut not use ZFS ? [14:19] >_< [14:19] I have seen so many people in pain from it [14:19] hehe [14:19] and here he disappeares again [14:20] How am I going to get answeres ¬¬ heh [14:20] nesta: My ZFS isn't the broken part, I somehow messed up the boot/partitions part, outside the scope of ZFS itself [14:20] if you say so :) [14:23] *shrug* [14:23] *** Ahmed has left [14:24] lol [14:31] j3m: i made the snap, but still be careful; i can't easily rollback an LVS snapshot; it has to be copied and re-dd'ed (if that makes sense ;) and at 60G it'll take a while [14:32] thanks a million up_the_irons, I'll be careful still, but I feel a lot better knowing I won't make it a whole world of worse trying to fix it [14:32] up_the_irons: Can you order me a pizza? I messed something up [14:32] :) [14:33] j3m: no problem [14:33] up_the_irons: I need a massage plz [14:33] dxtr: i'd like a pizza myself [14:33] up_the_irons: Awesome! Then get me one and you can watch me eat it [14:34] someone needs to add Humor to the wiki and put in some irc snapshots. there was that dude a while ago that woke up to find 2 chicks in his bed, but the convo was too long.... [14:35] I was thinking of doing one on how to run identd deamon as user and not root [14:35] might do [14:35] sweet [14:35] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [14:36] *** fink_ has joined #arpnetworks [14:38] j3m: do a full shutdown then 'Boot' from Portal / SSH console, then you should see 8.1 [14:38] okay, thanks, trying now [14:38] I can add a wiki entry on how to destroy a hundred thousand worth of stuff with a forklift truck, up_the_irons [14:39] It was hard - but I did it once [14:40] j3m: do you see 8.1 now? [14:40] dxtr: we'll put that under Humor [14:41] up_the_irons: yep, thanks again [14:41] i need to head out, be back in about an hour [14:41] j3m: great [14:41] * up_the_irons wanders off [14:46] ls [14:46] lol [14:47] switched windows wrong there... [14:48] <`nh> better than typing your root password into irc ;x [14:48] hehe [14:48] someone did that recently [14:48] and it was the pass for their facebook, server [14:48] everything [14:49] <`nh> lmao [14:49] bad news :S [14:49] lol [14:49] <`nh> ive done that before, but a work, into our corporate irc server [14:49] <`nh> at least it was just our prod root password [14:49] hehe [14:50] luckily even if I did accidentally put it on IRC no one would be able to use it really [14:50] <`nh> the SA pro tip to me was to start your passwords with '/' [14:50] I don't use passwords haha [14:50] not for users anyway [14:51] <`nh> keys? [14:51] yeah [14:51] love dem keyz [15:05] *** j3m has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [15:07] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:10] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [15:11] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:12] *** vtoms has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:12] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [15:29] would it be a problem if I wanted a non-mainstream linux distro installed? [15:30] I'm currently reading: http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/vps/what-is-supported [15:30] I guess I would just ask support for help on that [15:31] mattx86: yes you can do that most likely. any iso you can get as far as I know.. your mileage may vary [15:31] I am quite sure any linux is supported [15:32] don't want to speak for an admin though ;) [15:32] Garry will be back in a half or so I think [15:32] cool, ok [15:33] *** j3m has joined #arpnetworks [15:33] actually, I gotta go for a few hours, but I'll stay logged in [15:33] bbl [15:34] *** j3m has quit IRC (Client Quit) [15:35] *** j3m has joined #arpnetworks [15:44] mattx86: i generally don't do Red Hat based (e.g. CentOS, RHEL, etc...) linux distros because they leave everything and the sun open by default and get hacked [15:46] sup up_the_irons [15:47] i think we've spoken on twitter in the past [15:47] IPv6Freely: i was gonna ask if you were a former customer or beta tester, cuz your nick sounds familiar [15:47] so yeah, twitter :) [15:47] indeed. Though im now a customer, I just signed up a couple hours ago [15:49] IPv6Freely: yeah i saw that, welcome :) [15:49] thanks! [15:50] you do the initial setups dont you? [15:52] yup [15:54] Any chance you could give me the default FreeBSD partition scheme, rather than having everthing in / ? [15:54] nope [15:54] ;) [15:54] http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/vps/custom-partitions [15:54] but you can do it yourself [15:56] okay. only asked because it hadnt been setup yet ;) [15:56] up_the_irons just clones an install... he's not actually going through the steps. [15:56] so it's more work to do a custom install, work that you can do anyway [15:56] oh right, duh [15:56] * IPv6Freely slaps self [15:56] * RandalSchwartz slaps self as well [15:57] self slap: 5 [15:57] * nesta slaps the monkey [15:57] monkey beShocked [15:58] IPv6Freely: yeah, what RandalSchwartz said :) [15:58] :) [15:58] no worries [15:59] I've installed ZFS GPT Root on ARPnetworks so many times, I could probably do it in my sleep now :) [15:59] i dont have any idea what that is :) [15:59] ZFS for Root? [15:59] yarr [15:59] it's all the rage! It's what all the cool kids use! [15:59] * up_the_irons points RandalSchwartz to http://wiki.arpnetworks.com/wiki/ZFSonFreeBSD and notes how empty and lonely it is [16:00] oh oh oh can i be cool too then? [16:00] in that case, you *do* want one fat partition [16:00] and you can easily add subpartitions and put quotas on them [16:00] it's far better than hard partitions [16:00] * IPv6Freely lost [16:00] hehe [16:00] follow this - insightcruisesconcierge@gmail.com [16:00] oops not that. [16:00] damn copybuffer [16:00] =] [16:01] ... http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/ [16:01] better [16:01] those instructions followed literally work great [16:01] don't deviate [16:01] except on this line: echo 'ifconfig_re0="DHCP"' >> /etc/rc.conf [16:01] first, it's em0, not re0 [16:02] second, you need to use the fix IP info given to you [16:02] since your box does not get a DHCP [16:03] I have "defaultrouter=NNN.NNN.NNN.NNN" [16:04] and "ipv4_addrs_em0=NNN.NNN.NNN.LOW-HIGH/28" [16:04] that does it for me [16:04] adjust /28 as you need [16:05] it's either 28 or 29 or 30 [16:05] does that help? [16:05] indeed [16:06] so... F12 during boot, boot the cd, choose fixit, and you should be at a prompt [16:06] then follow those instructions [16:06] then reboot, and you should be live on your new machine [16:06] might as well try it... if i break it i can just do it again [16:06] it takes about 15-20 minutes if you type fast [16:06] the bad news is that you can't copy-paste from that text [16:06] you have to literally type it. :( [16:07] why cant ya? [16:07] the page contains some utf-8 characters for the computer-printout stuff [16:07] it pastes wrong [16:07] and at especially bad places [16:07] hmm [16:07] probably can just paste into notepad or whatever and make sure its all correct and then give er [16:07]