up_the_irons: I replied :)
is it possible to mount both the 8.0 and 8.1 fbsd distros when I try an upgrade in a few weeks?
what ya mean RandalSchwartz ?
why not upgrade via src
When something breaks he wants to be able to fall back easily.
ah okay
mike-burns: do you admin for arp also?
Just for the IRC channel.
ah okay :)
exactly.
if everything goes well, I can forget the 8.0 disk
but the most critical part is that after freebsd-update for upgrade, I have to *add* a step to recopy the gptzfsboot over, which freebsd-update BREAKS
I consider that a bug... replacing the stage 2 loader with something that isn't upward compatible, but I can't get anyone on ##freebsd to worry
"you installed a non-standard boot loader, right?" "yeah" "well, then you should know to repeat that step" "[shrug]"
it's also possible that I could just reinstall the 8.0 gptzfsboot, but I haven't tried that.
that's really an annoying answer from them, ZFS is an outstanding feature, why don't they support it completely?
Not enough testing.
given that sysinstall doesn't even support it in 8.1 yet, I'd say it's still too fringe to get mainline support
but freebsd-update shouldn't update any binaries that don't match the previous release though
I'd call that a bug
or at least it should warn me
"I wanted checksum X for /foo/bar, but it has Y... replace anyway?"
I'd expect at least a warning, yes
when I upgraded to 8.1 I only discovered about the problem after the reboot, I surely learnt a lot about the fixit environment, but I preferred to know this in advance :-)
yeah yeah, I had the same problem
luckily, I was working in a vmware, and had made a snapshot before
so I rolled back, and thought about installing the *new* gptzfsboot *again* before the reboot
and that seemed to work
so I suspect I will have to do the same thing again
for the arp vps
hooray! my VPS arrived last night!
hooray for new toys
yeay for toys
you putting 8.1 FBSD on it?
on ZFS boot?
RandalSchwartz: i believe it is possible to have 2 CD-ROM drives, but I've never tried it
hi up_the_irons
hi
:)
do you reckon I will be able to get the OpenBSD within the coming few hours?
or shall I hit the hay
hehe
nesta: you put in the ticket for the re-image?
yes sir, sent you the UUID also
nesta: hit the hay, I'll be finishing that up tonight (PST)
np
thanks
np
PST?
do you mean PDT?
or are you waiting until october? :)
LOL
SMOKEY!!!
sbp lubs my cawk!
brb in a hr or so
gonna go feed sbp the cawk.... :X
jesus
im gonna go in hiding now
dont
i locked your closet.
Thanks up_the_irons for the RDNS apresiat
rVn_-: no problem
hehe
hi sbp_
Happy actually look pretty stable =)
heya nesta
how are you
super :)
reading lots of OpenBSD stuff
if you have any good links throw em my way plz
i dont use it anymore but estella had some really good kernel patch for it, ask her about it
I used to run openbsd, switched to freebsd a half year ago, not looking back. :)
mh
so what you are saying is I should cancel my OpenBSD?!?!?!?
:D
hehe
I was using FreeBSD for a good while there, sort of fancied a change
but I get lots of negative feedback about it
:s
for me, freebsd has all the right stuff
big ports, updated frequently
pf from openbsd (even if a bit dated)
boot from ZFS
by popular demand: http://wiki.arpnetworks.com
VERY ROUGH and STOCK right now
were we really that demanding? :)
yay up_the_irons
yes
:)
it is awesome that I can use rST: http://wiki.arpnetworks.com/wiki/rstTest
ahh.  reStructuredText
never heard of it
it is the most sensible text-based markup
that is, it doesn't look like markup when you read the text
Textile isn't bad
nor markdown
markdown is most similar to rst, but markdown is annoying.  it borrowed some bits from rst, but if you already have rst, i don't see why have markdown except for NIH
I bet markdown preceded rst
since I know about markdown and not rst
no, rst is old, markdown is new
really?
I'm looking at google searches to try to tell
markdown page says 2004
rst page says 2006
but they were both probably early blog years
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubWUvFY403M
what is that youtube?
aww my vps isnt up yet :x
can't see it here.  worth bookmarking?
yes RandalSchwartz if you have interest in aliens
its supposed recently leaked footage from Roswell
non-americans?
oh.  earth aliens
roswell is still looking at those? :)
'tis very strange video
smokey: usually takes about 24 hrs to process :)
yeah but i was hoping they'd be in tonight :P
ah yes, the common hope of this here chat room I do believe
"if only my dreams were fulfilled... TONIGHT! ..."
chat channel*
apologies IRC nazi's
I accept "room"
calling Usenet newsgroups something else is a lot worse
hehe
or using SMS in IRC
SMS-talk
like "u"
or "4 me"
ya
if you're paying for IRC by the character, "sucks 2 B U"
and now the wiki has a tab: http://arpnetworks.com/vps
now i better see some articles pop up since it was said on several occassions an "official" wiki was needed ;)
hey you gota write all the articles too!
:P
nesta: i've written plenty, it is called the Knowledge Base ;)
I'll write all the articles: "a" "an" "the"
there done.
hehe
There should be a good ZFS article
Since i've never done a ZFS install, I'm not qualified to write it ;)
I've done many of them, now all in production
mostly according to http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/
python people -- what is preferred: FastCGI, mod_python, or Twisted ?
this new wiki is just running with CGI now and Apache.  thinking of going to FastCGI, or is mod_python the thing to do?
not sure if i want to run a twisted stack
in the Perl world, PSGI is a universal glue
lets you plug any delivery mechanism with any framework
quite nice
cool
only arriving in the past year or so
but everyone's aligning to it
CGI requires real stdin/stdout
this puts all that data into a hash passed to and from a well-known subroutine
so you can reuse it, and then also stream from it
so there's a PSGI interface for CGI, fastcgi, mod_perl, even mod_psgi
and a dozen standalone Perl frames that can listen on port 80
and the 15 biggest Perl delivery platforms, like Catalyst etc, all speak PSGI as well
there's even a psgi for nginx
... http://plackperl.org/
similar to python's WSGI
ok time to change locations...
i went with fastcgi
pretty easy to set up, and the wiki is *much* faster
urgh
up_the_irons: are ya here?
hehe :S