[00:03] *** Ehtyar has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [01:26] *** _Ehtyar has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [01:26] *** _Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [06:02] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [06:28] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [06:32] *** schmir has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [07:08] *** woremacx has joined #arpnetworks [07:24] up_the_irons: I replied :) [07:38] is it possible to mount both the 8.0 and 8.1 fbsd distros when I try an upgrade in a few weeks? [07:40] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [07:56] *** cedwards has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:59] *** cedwards has joined #arpnetworks [08:26] what ya mean RandalSchwartz ? [08:27] why not upgrade via src [08:32] When something breaks he wants to be able to fall back easily. [08:32] ah okay [08:32] mike-burns: do you admin for arp also? [08:33] Just for the IRC channel. [08:35] ah okay :) [08:36] exactly. [08:36] if everything goes well, I can forget the 8.0 disk [08:37] but the most critical part is that after freebsd-update for upgrade, I have to *add* a step to recopy the gptzfsboot over, which freebsd-update BREAKS [08:37] I consider that a bug... replacing the stage 2 loader with something that isn't upward compatible, but I can't get anyone on ##freebsd to worry [08:39] "you installed a non-standard boot loader, right?" "yeah" "well, then you should know to repeat that step" "[shrug]" [08:39] it's also possible that I could just reinstall the 8.0 gptzfsboot, but I haven't tried that. [08:42] that's really an annoying answer from them, ZFS is an outstanding feature, why don't they support it completely? [08:44] Not enough testing. [08:44] given that sysinstall doesn't even support it in 8.1 yet, I'd say it's still too fringe to get mainline support [08:46] but freebsd-update shouldn't update any binaries that don't match the previous release though [08:46] I'd call that a bug [08:47] or at least it should warn me [08:47] "I wanted checksum X for /foo/bar, but it has Y... replace anyway?" [08:47] I'd expect at least a warning, yes [08:48] when I upgraded to 8.1 I only discovered about the problem after the reboot, I surely learnt a lot about the fixit environment, but I preferred to know this in advance :-) [08:49] yeah yeah, I had the same problem [08:49] luckily, I was working in a vmware, and had made a snapshot before [08:49] so I rolled back, and thought about installing the *new* gptzfsboot *again* before the reboot [08:50] and that seemed to work [08:50] so I suspect I will have to do the same thing again [08:50] for the arp vps [08:51] *** _Ehtyar has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [08:51] *** _Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [09:13] *** fink_ has joined #arpnetworks [10:21] *** __Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [10:41] *** _Ehtyar has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [11:01] hooray! my VPS arrived last night! [11:01] hooray for new toys [11:08] yeay for toys [11:08] you putting 8.1 FBSD on it? [11:08] on ZFS boot? 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[14:03] *** baklava has joined #arpnetworks [14:13] *** Lefty has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [14:13] *** __Ehtyar has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [14:18] *** Lefty has joined #arpnetworks [14:40] *** _Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [14:58] *** Ehtyar has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [16:06] *** fink_ has quit IRC (Quit: fink_) [16:19] hi up_the_irons [16:19] hi [16:19] :) [16:20] do you reckon I will be able to get the OpenBSD within the coming few hours? [16:20] or shall I hit the hay [16:20] hehe [16:23] nesta: you put in the ticket for the re-image? [16:24] yes sir, sent you the UUID also [16:25] nesta: hit the hay, I'll be finishing that up tonight (PST) [16:26] np [16:26] thanks [16:27] np [16:36] PST? [16:36] do you mean PDT? [16:36] or are you waiting until october? :) [16:57] *** smokey has joined #arpnetworks [17:01] LOL [17:01] * smokey waits for his vps... :P [17:01] SMOKEY!!! [17:01] sbp lubs my cawk! [17:02] brb in a hr or so [17:02] gonna go feed sbp the cawk.... :X [17:02] jesus [17:02] im gonna go in hiding now [17:02] dont [17:03] i locked your closet. [17:05] Thanks up_the_irons for the RDNS apresiat [17:05] rVn_-: no problem [17:05] hehe [17:05] hi sbp_ [17:05] Happy actually look pretty stable =) [17:06] heya nesta [17:06] how are you [17:06] super :) [17:06] reading lots of OpenBSD stuff [17:07] if you have any good links throw em my way plz [17:09] i dont use it anymore but estella had some really good kernel patch for it, ask her about it [17:14] I used to run openbsd, switched to freebsd a half year ago, not looking back. :) [17:15] mh [17:16] so what you are saying is I should cancel my OpenBSD?!?!?!? [17:16] :D [17:16] hehe [17:16] I was using FreeBSD for a good while there, sort of fancied a change [17:17] but I get lots of negative feedback about it [17:17] :s [17:17] for me, freebsd has all the right stuff [17:17] big ports, updated frequently [17:18] pf from openbsd (even if a bit dated) [17:18] boot from ZFS [17:18] by popular demand: http://wiki.arpnetworks.com [17:18] VERY ROUGH and STOCK right now [17:18] were we really that demanding? :) [17:18] yay up_the_irons [17:18] yes [17:18] :) [17:19] it is awesome that I can use rST: http://wiki.arpnetworks.com/wiki/rstTest [17:27] * RandalSchwartz wonders what rST is, having never heard of it [17:27] ahh. reStructuredText [17:27] never heard of it [17:27] it is the most sensible text-based markup [17:28] that is, it doesn't look like markup when you read the text [17:28] Textile isn't bad [17:28] nor markdown [17:28] markdown is most similar to rst, but markdown is annoying. it borrowed some bits from rst, but if you already have rst, i don't see why have markdown except for NIH [17:28] I bet markdown preceded rst [17:29] since I know about markdown and not rst [17:29] no, rst is old, markdown is new [17:35] really? [17:35] I'm looking at google searches to try to tell [17:36] markdown page says 2004 [17:36] rst page says 2006 [17:37] but they were both probably early blog years [17:40] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubWUvFY403M [17:41] what is that youtube? [17:41] aww my vps isnt up yet :x [17:41] can't see it here. worth bookmarking? [17:42] yes RandalSchwartz if you have interest in aliens [17:42] its supposed recently leaked footage from Roswell [17:42] non-americans? [17:42] oh. earth aliens [17:42] roswell is still looking at those? :) [17:42] 'tis very strange video [17:43] smokey: usually takes about 24 hrs to process :) [17:43] yeah but i was hoping they'd be in tonight :P [17:43] ah yes, the common hope of this here chat room I do believe [17:47] "if only my dreams were fulfilled... TONIGHT! ..." [17:48] chat channel* [17:48] apologies IRC nazi's [17:48] I accept "room" [17:49] calling Usenet newsgroups something else is a lot worse [17:50] hehe [17:50] or using SMS in IRC [17:50] SMS-talk [17:50] like "u" [17:50] or "4 me" [17:50] ya [17:51] if you're paying for IRC by the character, "sucks 2 B U" [18:10] and now the wiki has a tab: http://arpnetworks.com/vps [18:11] now i better see some articles pop up since it was said on several occassions an "official" wiki was needed ;) [18:12] hey you gota write all the articles too! [18:12] :P [18:12] nesta: i've written plenty, it is called the Knowledge Base ;) [18:13] I'll write all the articles: "a" "an" "the" [18:13] there done. [18:15] hehe [18:16] There should be a good ZFS article [18:17] Since i've never done a ZFS install, I'm not qualified to write it ;) [18:19] I've done many of them, now all in production [18:23] mostly according to http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/ [18:26] python people -- what is preferred: FastCGI, mod_python, or Twisted ? [18:27] this new wiki is just running with CGI now and Apache. thinking of going to FastCGI, or is mod_python the thing to do? [18:27] not sure if i want to run a twisted stack [18:32] in the Perl world, PSGI is a universal glue [18:32] lets you plug any delivery mechanism with any framework [18:32] quite nice [18:33] cool [18:34] only arriving in the past year or so [18:34] but everyone's aligning to it [18:34] CGI requires real stdin/stdout [18:35] this puts all that data into a hash passed to and from a well-known subroutine [18:35] so you can reuse it, and then also stream from it [18:36] so there's a PSGI interface for CGI, fastcgi, mod_perl, even mod_psgi [18:36] and a dozen standalone Perl frames that can listen on port 80 [18:36] and the 15 biggest Perl delivery platforms, like Catalyst etc, all speak PSGI as well [18:37] there's even a psgi for nginx [18:37] ... http://plackperl.org/ [18:37] similar to python's WSGI [18:44] ok time to change locations... [18:44] * RandalSchwartz wanders off [18:48] i went with fastcgi [18:48] pretty easy to set up, and the wiki is *much* faster [19:01] *** fink_ has joined #arpnetworks [20:23] urgh [20:24] up_the_irons: are ya here? [20:24] hehe :S [21:01] *** nesta_ has joined #arpnetworks [21:05] *** fink_ has quit IRC (Quit: fink_)