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why not upgrade via src mike-burns: When something breaks he wants to be able to fall back easily. nesta: ah okay
mike-burns: do you admin for arp also? mike-burns: Just for the IRC channel. nesta: ah okay :) RandalSchwartz: exactly.
if everything goes well, I can forget the 8.0 disk
but the most critical part is that after freebsd-update for upgrade, I have to *add* a step to recopy the gptzfsboot over, which freebsd-update BREAKS
I consider that a bug... replacing the stage 2 loader with something that isn't upward compatible, but I can't get anyone on ##freebsd to worry
"you installed a non-standard boot loader, right?" "yeah" "well, then you should know to repeat that step" "[shrug]"
it's also possible that I could just reinstall the 8.0 gptzfsboot, but I haven't tried that. koan: that's really an annoying answer from them, ZFS is an outstanding feature, why don't they support it completely? mike-burns: Not enough testing. RandalSchwartz: given that sysinstall doesn't even support it in 8.1 yet, I'd say it's still too fringe to get mainline support
but freebsd-update shouldn't update any binaries that don't match the previous release though
I'd call that a bug
or at least it should warn me
"I wanted checksum X for /foo/bar, but it has Y... replace anyway?" koan: I'd expect at least a warning, yes
when I upgraded to 8.1 I only discovered about the problem after the reboot, I surely learnt a lot about the fixit environment, but I preferred to know this in advance :-) RandalSchwartz: yeah yeah, I had the same problem
luckily, I was working in a vmware, and had made a snapshot before
so I rolled back, and thought about installing the *new* gptzfsboot *again* before the reboot
and that seemed to work
so I suspect I will have to do the same thing again
for the arp vps ***: _Ehtyar has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)
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_Ehtyar has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) Lefty: hooray! my VPS arrived last night!
hooray for new toys RandalSchwartz: yeay for toys
you putting 8.1 FBSD on it?
on ZFS boot? ***: Lefty has quit IRC (Quit: Switching to the new server, yay)
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Lefty has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: i believe it is possible to have 2 CD-ROM drives, but I've never tried it ***: nesta has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)
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fink_ has quit IRC (Quit: fink_) nesta: hi up_the_irons up_the_irons: hi nesta: :)
do you reckon I will be able to get the OpenBSD within the coming few hours?
or shall I hit the hay
hehe up_the_irons: nesta: you put in the ticket for the re-image? nesta: yes sir, sent you the UUID also up_the_irons: nesta: hit the hay, I'll be finishing that up tonight (PST) nesta: np
thanks up_the_irons: np RandalSchwartz: PST?
do you mean PDT?
or are you waiting until october? :) ***: smokey has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: LOL -: smokey waits for his vps... :P sbp_: SMOKEY!!! smokey: sbp lubs my cawk!
brb in a hr or so
gonna go feed sbp the cawk.... :X sbp_: jesus
im gonna go in hiding now smokey: dont
i locked your closet. rVn_-: Thanks up_the_irons for the RDNS apresiat up_the_irons: rVn_-: no problem nesta: hehe
hi sbp_ rVn_-: Happy actually look pretty stable =) sbp_: heya nesta
how are you nesta: super :)
reading lots of OpenBSD stuff
if you have any good links throw em my way plz sbp_: i dont use it anymore but estella had some really good kernel patch for it, ask her about it RandalSchwartz: I used to run openbsd, switched to freebsd a half year ago, not looking back. :) nesta: mh
so what you are saying is I should cancel my OpenBSD?!?!?!?
:D
hehe
I was using FreeBSD for a good while there, sort of fancied a change
but I get lots of negative feedback about it
:s RandalSchwartz: for me, freebsd has all the right stuff
big ports, updated frequently
pf from openbsd (even if a bit dated)
boot from ZFS up_the_irons: by popular demand: http://wiki.arpnetworks.com
VERY ROUGH and STOCK right now RandalSchwartz: were we really that demanding? :) nesta: yay up_the_irons up_the_irons: yes
:)
it is awesome that I can use rST: http://wiki.arpnetworks.com/wiki/rstTest -: RandalSchwartz wonders what rST is, having never heard of it RandalSchwartz: ahh. reStructuredText
never heard of it up_the_irons: it is the most sensible text-based markup
that is, it doesn't look like markup when you read the text RandalSchwartz: Textile isn't bad
nor markdown up_the_irons: markdown is most similar to rst, but markdown is annoying. it borrowed some bits from rst, but if you already have rst, i don't see why have markdown except for NIH RandalSchwartz: I bet markdown preceded rst
since I know about markdown and not rst up_the_irons: no, rst is old, markdown is new RandalSchwartz: really?
I'm looking at google searches to try to tell
markdown page says 2004
rst page says 2006
but they were both probably early blog years nesta: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubWUvFY403M RandalSchwartz: what is that youtube? smokey: aww my vps isnt up yet :x RandalSchwartz: can't see it here. worth bookmarking? nesta: yes RandalSchwartz if you have interest in aliens
its supposed recently leaked footage from Roswell RandalSchwartz: non-americans?
oh. earth aliens
roswell is still looking at those? :) nesta: 'tis very strange video
smokey: usually takes about 24 hrs to process :) smokey: yeah but i was hoping they'd be in tonight :P nesta: ah yes, the common hope of this here chat room I do believe RandalSchwartz: "if only my dreams were fulfilled... TONIGHT! ..." nesta: chat channel*
apologies IRC nazi's RandalSchwartz: I accept "room"
calling Usenet newsgroups something else is a lot worse nesta: hehe RandalSchwartz: or using SMS in IRC
SMS-talk
like "u"
or "4 me" nesta: ya RandalSchwartz: if you're paying for IRC by the character, "sucks 2 B U" up_the_irons: and now the wiki has a tab: http://arpnetworks.com/vps
now i better see some articles pop up since it was said on several occassions an "official" wiki was needed ;) nesta: hey you gota write all the articles too!
:P up_the_irons: nesta: i've written plenty, it is called the Knowledge Base ;) RandalSchwartz: I'll write all the articles: "a" "an" "the"
there done. nesta: hehe up_the_irons: There should be a good ZFS article
Since i've never done a ZFS install, I'm not qualified to write it ;) RandalSchwartz: I've done many of them, now all in production
mostly according to http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/ up_the_irons: python people -- what is preferred: FastCGI, mod_python, or Twisted ?
this new wiki is just running with CGI now and Apache. thinking of going to FastCGI, or is mod_python the thing to do?
not sure if i want to run a twisted stack RandalSchwartz: in the Perl world, PSGI is a universal glue
lets you plug any delivery mechanism with any framework
quite nice up_the_irons: cool RandalSchwartz: only arriving in the past year or so
but everyone's aligning to it
CGI requires real stdin/stdout
this puts all that data into a hash passed to and from a well-known subroutine
so you can reuse it, and then also stream from it
so there's a PSGI interface for CGI, fastcgi, mod_perl, even mod_psgi
and a dozen standalone Perl frames that can listen on port 80
and the 15 biggest Perl delivery platforms, like Catalyst etc, all speak PSGI as well
there's even a psgi for nginx
... http://plackperl.org/
similar to python's WSGI
ok time to change locations... -: RandalSchwartz wanders off up_the_irons: i went with fastcgi
pretty easy to set up, and the wiki is *much* faster ***: fink_ has joined #arpnetworks nesta: urgh
up_the_irons: are ya here?
hehe :S ***: nesta_ has joined #arpnetworks
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