#arpnetworks 2010-07-20,Tue

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[09:03]

mick_laptop

up_the_irons: i don't suppose you have a referal program :)

[09:03]

fink_

i've told like a million people about arpland

[09:09]

cmeiklejohn

haha

[09:09]

fink_

fink_ grumbles about not even getting a tshirt

[09:09]

RandalSchwartz

there's a t-shirt? :)

[09:09]

fink_

hey i want a tshirt!

[09:09]

mick_laptop

ya i know - thats what i was thinking

[09:09]

RandalSchwartz

like what I need is one more shirt.
"I referred 50 new customers to Arpnetworks.com, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt." :)

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cmeiklejohn

Hahaha.

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mhoran

Heh.

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[11:25]

up_the_irons

toddf: since the cronjob discussion, i started staggering the nightly cronjob's on default installs. about 1/3 of the vm cronjobs run at normal time, 1/3 run an hour later, and 1/3 run an hour earlier. it has eliminated that issue

[11:27]

RandalSchwartz

you could sleep random too
that's fun

[11:27]

up_the_irons

RandalSchwartz: that's a great t-shirt slogan ;)

[11:28]

RandalSchwartz

what... "sleep random"?

[11:28]

up_the_irons

mick_laptop: i do have a referral program, but what i don't have is a way of tracking who referred who and who stayed longer than 3 months (i generally require, now, for the free referral month, that the person who was referred stays 3 months)

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[11:30]

cmeiklejohn

up_the_irons: do a lot of people stay less than that?

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up_the_irons

cmeiklejohn: seems to be the cut off mark. if someone is gonna leave, they leave within 3 months; otherwise they tend to be lifers

[11:30]

cmeiklejohn

up_the_irons: interesting.
I plan on staying a while since I just went through the process of migrating a bunch from linode. ;)

[11:31]

up_the_irons

there's a lot of people that are like "i just wanna try this out"
then there are the people looking for a permanent home for their services

[11:31]

RandalSchwartz

by the way, we cancelled our EC2 on sunday.

[11:31]

up_the_irons

cmeiklejohn: yeah so you're in the 2nd group ;)
RandalSchwartz: woo :)

[11:31]

RandalSchwartz

down from $155/month to $70/month, with far better connectivity
and freebsd instead of a Dead OS

[11:31]

up_the_irons

up_the_irons wonders what connectivity EC2 has
i actually never checked...

[11:32]

RandalSchwartz

well - they throttle, I think

[11:32]

up_the_irons

RandalSchwartz: i aim to please
RandalSchwartz: ah

[11:32]

RandalSchwartz

they want you to buy lots of machines, so the per-machine limit seems low

[11:32]

up_the_irons

btw, if anyone wants a netbook recommendation; i just got an MSI Wind 1350 and it is bad ass. i'm on it now

[11:33]

cmeiklejohn

up_the_irons: I'll check it out.

[11:33]

RandalSchwartz

I'm up to "Professional" on ipv6.he.net/certification/

[11:33]

up_the_irons

RandalSchwartz: yeah, they are geared toward "need 50 VMs to index your dictionary?" and then after it's done, you destroy the vms

[11:33]

RandalSchwartz

I just need to move my secondary from afraid.org to he.net to get the next level

[11:33]

up_the_irons

cmeiklejohn: what drew me in was the incredible contrast on the screen coupled with great brightness. usually, a lot of brightness will wash out the screen and you get greys. not with this little guy.
cmeiklejohn: and at $279, it was a no brainer

[11:34]

cmeiklejohn

up_the_irons: interesting. I have a Asus Eee right now which is pretty decent.

[11:35]

up_the_irons

cmeiklejohn: yeah i almost went the Asus route

[11:35]

cmeiklejohn

up_the_irons: what are you running on it?

[11:35]

up_the_irons

the screen didn't impress me quite as much
cmeiklejohn: ubuntu 10.04 netbook edition. but then i installed xmonad on top and run xmonad with a full gnome session in the background

[11:35]

cmeiklejohn

cool, i'm running ubuntu 10.04 netbook as well.
I almost went the xmonad route, but didn't.

[11:36]

up_the_irons

everything worked out of the box, no screwing with anything, not even having to download wifi firmware
wifi, sound, sleep, hibernate, everything
so i'm quite impressed

i gotta stick in another stick of ram (only comes with 1G), and then maybe i'm thinking of putting in an SSD. only thing with the SSD is, it would increase my TCO by about 50%, cuz this thing was so cheap to begin with

it's not my primary laptop, so it doesn't need to be blazing fast

[11:36]

cmeiklejohn

what's your primary?

[11:38]

up_the_irons

ThinkPad T61

[11:38]

mhoran

Nice.

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fink_

so…t-shirts?

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[11:58]

cmeiklejohn

yes

[12:01]

toddf

randalschwartz: EC2 .. is that capable of running *BSD ?

[12:02]

mhoran

toddf: Some folks are trying to get FreeBSD to run on it, but they need money.
Not sure about the others.
http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2010-04-05-FreeBSD-EC2.html

[12:03]

toddf

mhoran: oh yeah I saw that discussion here earlier
so EC2 requires a modified kernel kindof like xen eh?

[12:03]

mhoran

I'd imagine someone has tried to get NetBSD on there, not sure of their success. And Open, too.

[12:04]

cmeiklejohn

I believe ec2 is xen.

[12:04]

mhoran

Yes.
But even though FreeBSD will run on the latest Xen, it doesn't run on EC2 Xen.

[12:04]

toddf

arpnetworks should slowly automate VM creation processing and start competing with EC2. there is no competition in the price and quality, so why should EC2 get all the money? ;-)

[12:04]

fink_

toddf: yea!

[12:05]

toddf

<sarcasm>hey lets all sign a petition to have arpnetworks compete with EC2, yeah, that'll take the cake</sarcasm>

[12:06]

fink_

we could start a petition for tshirts

[12:07]

mhoran

We could just make t-shirts.

[12:07]

cmeiklejohn

Yes, that say "FreeBSD on EC2"

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toddf

better tshirt would be "ARP is the new EC2, better value, better price.."

[12:43]

fink_

toddf: i think it needs to be raunchier

[12:44]

toddf

some clever marketing types would wrap that meaning in different words but as a customer I think that sentiment is solid

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norf

havent recieved any word on the order i placed yesterday...
I was hoping that vps would be ready today.

[12:57]

fink_

norf: it's coming

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norf

the suspense is killing me!

[13:03]

fink_

;)

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nesta

^_^

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sbp5

hi nesta :D

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nesta

sup buddy

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sbp5

was trying to get a hold of somebody in charge of accounts but i submited an email anyway now

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coil

hi nesta and sbp

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sbp5

sup dude ;d

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sbp5

latez

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[17:38]

norf

hello, i jut got my vps activated...i only recieved one ip address in the email
i clicked the 5 ip address option
when i made the order
can someone straighten this out? I already sent an email concerning this.

[17:39]

nesta

have you logged in and checked ifconfig ?
hello norf

[17:44]

fink_

norf: did you look at your account page?

[17:45]

norf

fink_: the email sent to me only contains one ip address.

[17:49]

fink_

member:norf: did you look at your account page?

[17:49]

norf

i have not logged in to the vps yet, since i want to make sure i have my 5 ip addresses...
before i start putting things together..

[17:49]

fink_

[17:50]

norf

alright.

[17:50]

nesta

norf: it's most likely all okay :)

[17:51]

norf

sorry, i was just expecting a list of ip addresses assigned to my vps
in the email
you guys might want to think about that....

[17:51]

nesta

norf: it usually goes like 123,124,125,126
most people would know that :)

[17:51]

norf

Ive leased dedicated machines from systeminplace, and corenetworks...they always told me what ip addresses are assigned to me when I made an order...especially the first order.

[17:52]

nesta

aww

[17:53]

fink_

norf: let us know if you didn't get all the ips you requested

[17:53]

norf

alright.
yeah, ifconfig is only showing the 1 ip
ill pastebin
and rc.conf doesnt have the 5 ips set up either.

[17:53]

nesta

:-/

[17:58]

RandalSchwartz

norf - you have to do that yourself
your addresses are assigned, as described by your account pages

[18:00]

norf

http://paste.uni.cc/20794

[18:01]

RandalSchwartz

but you have to do the allocation yourself
Yeah - that doesn't matter
go make your settings match your allocation

[18:01]

norf

hmm

[18:01]

RandalSchwartz

oh wait - it does

[18:01]

norf

i can do that, but id expect a host to set up the ips i ordered to have them set up

[18:02]

RandalSchwartz

uh - it's set up.
if you want the aliases, that's not typical

[18:02]

norf

i dont see them

[18:02]

RandalSchwartz

right
you're listening on 34
and you have the right netmask

[18:02]

norf

id expect the aliases set up..

[18:02]

RandalSchwartz

you expect unusually then
I'd expect them *not*
because first, it's simple
and second, it's variable

[18:02]

norf

not really, ive been through a few dedi hosts a vps hosts...this is a first for me.

[18:03]

RandalSchwartz

the hard part is that *they* allocated the range for you
that's something you can't do at all

[18:03]

norf

i know that.
but i expect the ips i ordered ready to be used ...
no matter, ill do it.

[18:04]

RandalSchwartz

seriously. edit 1 parameter, reboot.
the IPs belong to you
you're just not listening to them. :)
... ipv4_addrs_em0=174.136.101.34-38/29
done :)
and remove the ifconfig_em0

[18:05]

nesta

<3 Randal

[18:07]

RandalSchwartz

I *think* it's /29
no maybe /30
no /29

[18:07]

nesta

it ity is 29is
it is

[18:07]

RandalSchwartz

there ya go then

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norf

i see on the site, must admit, this is the first freebsd vps ive used...i usually go for dedis and use rc.conf to bring up ip addresses
can i do that still with this vps?
ive normally used freebsd jails and dedicated machines ...my first vps here..

[18:08]

RandalSchwartz

norf - you can do what I just said

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norf

so i cant bring the ips up with rc.conf ?

[18:10]

RandalSchwartz

uh ... you can
geez
RandalSchwartz gives up
... ipv4_addrs_em0=174.136.101.34-38/29
in place of ifconfig_em0
seriously

[18:10]

norf

sorry! ive started drinking.

[18:11]

RandalSchwartz

if you're gonna ask questions, pay attention

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nesta

then you can run 'sh /etc/netstart' afterwards, norf

[18:11]

norf

so just add ipv4_addrs_em0=174.136.101.34-38/29 to rc.conf
?

[18:11]

nesta

read above

[18:12]

RandalSchwartz

and delete the ifconfig_em0
RandalSchwartz repeats for the third time

[18:12]

nesta

gota love the freebsd babyyyy
:)))
hehe

[18:12]

RandalSchwartz

yeah - I really like that shorthand in teh rc.onf
rc.conf even

[18:13]

nesta

indeed it a goodie
*s

[18:13]

norf

ifconfig_em0="inet 174.136.101.34 netmask 255.255.255.248"
de;ete that

[18:13]

nesta

yes

[18:13]

norf

and add ipv4_addrs_em0=174.136.101.34-38/29

[18:13]

nesta

one should always make backups of any configuration file first, of course.

[18:14]

norf

and reboot or run sh /etc/netstart

[18:14]

nesta

correct

[18:14]

norf

k
thanks friend.

[18:14]

RandalSchwartz

yes norf. delete ifconfig=em0, and add the ipv4_addrs_em0

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norf

defaultrouter="174.136.101.33"
hostname="sindustries.cust.arpnetworks.com"
#ifconfig_em0="inet 174.136.101.34 netmask 255.255.255.248"
ipv4_addrs_em0=174.136.101.34-38/29
sshd_enable="YES"
ipv6_enable="YES"
ipv6_defaultrouter="2607:f2f8:a140::1"
ipv6_ifconfig_em0="2607:f2f8:a140::2 prefixlen 64"
like such?

[18:17]

nesta

one does wonder at times.
:-X
nesta waddles off

[18:17]

norf

well, thats correct no?
norf reboots

[18:18]

RandalSchwartz

I set my address to ...::0 :)
host red.stonehenge.com :)
makes for a shorter URL

[18:19]

norf

norf waits a min for the vps to come back up

[18:20]

up_the_irons

I find a lot of providers do things the "wrong" way, so when someone comes to me and is like, "but I've been here, here, and here, and they do it like this", I don't have much to say ;)

[18:20]

nesta

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up_the_irons

I've always assigned only 1 IP. the others are for you to decide how you want them

[18:21]

RandalSchwartz

yeah, you may want to put them on a second virtual interface or something

[18:21]

up_the_irons

someone once expected me to list every IPv6 address they had ;)

[18:21]

RandalSchwartz

heh
"here, let me fax it to you" :)

[18:21]

up_the_irons

i told them "you'd run out of kernel memory" ;)
RandalSchwartz: LOL

[18:21]

norf

ok
works.
ty guys
sorry im intoxicated and not following to well.

[18:22]

RandalSchwartz

not a good time to be doing netadmin then

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up_the_irons

someone from rootbsd just hit and ran...

[18:29]

nesta

whats that mean

[18:29]

norf

rootbsd is pricey
and they buy advertising on distrowatch.
So far, im pleased with arpnetworks.

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up_the_irons

norf: the whole 10 minutes you've had your vps ? ;)
i aim to please

[18:33]

mhoran

Haha.

[18:38]

norf

hey, you put up with a drinking guy that just got his vps ...although I did sense some animosity among you all...i can understand it....openbsd people are full of it...and freebsd folks are just a little better...
so...props to you for not telling me to fuck off and go rtfm
systeminplace run by nenolod, the maintainer of charybdis (the parent ircd of freenodes current ircd-seven) runs systeminplace...his idea of support is "i dont care, figure it out yourself"
he also wrote the parent irc services for this network...atheme...hes a gifted coder...but a complete jerkoff...

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norf

i can freebsd-update this vps yes?
norf got tired of doung source based base upgrades long ago

[18:51]

fink_

norf: yes

[18:53]

up_the_irons

norf: you can do anything on the vps that you can do on normal box

[18:53]

fink_

and i feel the same way

[18:53]

up_the_irons

just you can't touch the hardware ;)

[18:53]

fink_

up_the_irons: how do i put a newegg sticker on my vps?

[18:53]

norf

great!

[18:53]

up_the_irons

fink_: haha

[18:53]

norf

i dont need to touch the hardware...i have enough of that to do in my own home...

[18:54]

fink_

rimshot!

[18:54]

up_the_irons

that's what she said

[18:54]

norf

i have a 750gb seagate barracuda sata drive to add to my wifes debian testing system tomorrow..
i just put UNR on my kids eeepc this morning...
i hate ubuntu...but fuck it...its easy...and its for my kid...i dont have to use it...
my freebsd nfs server/media center box got dismantled due to bad wiring taking out my wifes powersupplies...
so i need to replace that

[18:54]

up_the_irons

I installed Ubuntu 10.04 Netbook Edition on a new MSI Wind L1350 I got. Everything worked out of the box, _everything_. For a desktop OS, Ubuntu wins.

[18:56]

norf

i would rather have debian squeeze on it.
but as i said
its my kids...i dont have to use it.
i dont like the cluttered UNR desktop.
but imust say..that UNR desktop ////fat gnome with crap added...makes the eeepc much easier to use than the stock win 7 starter that comes with it...
win 7 is not suited to a netbook...at all...
not sure win 7 is suited to anything...ive never had to use it outside of replacing it with linux on my eeepc...

[18:57]

up_the_irons

yeah, i couldn't get win 7 to work at all.
win 7 lived for 5 minutes on my MSI, before getting erased by Ubuntu

[18:59]

norf

it really runs like crap on the eeepc 1005hab ...
i used it to upgrade the bios...then i put UNR on it.
its slow
i think im going to strip UNR down ...
on my kids eeepc ...and go with openbox+lxpanel...or tint2 panel...like i use on my desktop.
i love openbox.
kde4 is just blasphemy.
gnome is getting just ignorantly fat...like kde4..
but still faster..
gtk2 = faster than qt
:/
xfce4 is not as light as it used to be either
lxde is basically openbox with a few other apps
but its better than the above mentioned...
me...i just use openbox and all gtk2 apps...
i feel dirty if i mix qt crap into my system...
sorry, rambling.
but still... kde3.5.x is still ftw over kde4.

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up_the_irons

xmonad is my window manager of choice

[19:28]

norf

openbox here

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diatribes

dwm or death

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fink_

screen

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diatribes

tmux

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norf

deez nuts

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diatribes

doze nuts?

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norf

yes, deez nuts.

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diatribes

ah, doze nuts.

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mike-burns

Well that was an informative backlog.

[22:02]

RandalSchwartz

you logged someone's back?

[22:02]

mike-burns

Yeah and she didn't like it one bit.

[22:02]

RandalSchwartz

clearcut? :)

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mike-burns

Slash-and-burn, even.

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JacobWilson

owner in?

[22:37]

RandalSchwartz

some of the rest of us are at least

[22:38]

JacobWilson

i stil cnat log into my newest vps, its bee3n a whikle
*been a while

[22:38]

RandalSchwartz

does it show up when you reboot it on the VNC console?

[22:38]

JacobWilson

no
it times ou

[22:39]

RandalSchwartz

did it ever work?

[22:39]

JacobWilson

[22:39]

RandalSchwartz

can you at least connect to the console?

[22:39]

JacobWilson

nope3

[22:39]

RandalSchwartz

email support@ then
he's pretty responsive

[22:39]

JacobWilson

k, i have been but ty
no response yet

[22:40]

RandalSchwartz

does it at least show the machine on your admin screens?

[22:40]

JacobWilson

hasnt been too long just 3 or 4 days

[22:41]

RandalSchwartz

and on the list of machines when you ssh to the admin machine?

[22:41]

JacobWilson

on th3e web page?

[22:41]

RandalSchwartz

yeah

[22:41]

JacobWilson

yeah it shows both of them

[22:41]

RandalSchwartz

"both"
?

[22:41]

JacobWilson

my open and free bsd vps'
i have tow from arp
*two

[22:42]

RandalSchwartz

and one works, other doesn't?

[22:42]

JacobWilson

sorry typing on a phon3e
correct

[22:42]

welll idk man
no clue
i tiried to email em
im gone to bed its wayto late for this
and aggrivating kinda
peace out ty RandalSchwartz for helpin out much ya could

[22:52]

nesta

JacobWilson: :)

[22:53]

JacobWilson

hi
:)
im gone to bed nestqa
nesta

[22:53]

nesta

k man
sleep well

[22:54]

JacobWilson

hopefully theyll fix my stuff tomorrow
k ty buddy, i should have thqat house this week still