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| mick_laptop | up_the_irons: i don't suppose you have a referal program :) | [09:03] |
| fink_ | i've told like a million people about arpland | [09:09] |
| cmeiklejohn | haha | [09:09] |
| fink_ | fink_ grumbles about not even getting a tshirt | [09:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | there's a t-shirt? :) | [09:09] |
| fink_ | hey i want a tshirt! | [09:09] |
| mick_laptop | ya i know - thats what i was thinking | [09:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | like what I need is one more shirt.
"I referred 50 new customers to Arpnetworks.com, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt." :) | [09:10] |
| cmeiklejohn | Hahaha. | [09:10] |
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| mhoran | Heh. | [09:20] |
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| up_the_irons | toddf: since the cronjob discussion, i started staggering the nightly cronjob's on default installs. about 1/3 of the vm cronjobs run at normal time, 1/3 run an hour later, and 1/3 run an hour earlier. it has eliminated that issue | [11:27] |
| RandalSchwartz | you could sleep random too
that's fun | [11:27] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: that's a great t-shirt slogan ;) | [11:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | what... "sleep random"? | [11:28] |
| up_the_irons | mick_laptop: i do have a referral program, but what i don't have is a way of tracking who referred who and who stayed longer than 3 months (i generally require, now, for the free referral month, that the person who was referred stays 3 months) | [11:29] |
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| cmeiklejohn | up_the_irons: do a lot of people stay less than that? | [11:30] |
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| up_the_irons | cmeiklejohn: seems to be the cut off mark. if someone is gonna leave, they leave within 3 months; otherwise they tend to be lifers | [11:30] |
| cmeiklejohn | up_the_irons: interesting.
I plan on staying a while since I just went through the process of migrating a bunch from linode. ;) | [11:31] |
| up_the_irons | there's a lot of people that are like "i just wanna try this out"
then there are the people looking for a permanent home for their services | [11:31] |
| RandalSchwartz | by the way, we cancelled our EC2 on sunday. | [11:31] |
| up_the_irons | cmeiklejohn: yeah so you're in the 2nd group ;)
RandalSchwartz: woo :) | [11:31] |
| RandalSchwartz | down from $155/month to $70/month, with far better connectivity
and freebsd instead of a Dead OS | [11:31] |
| up_the_irons | up_the_irons wonders what connectivity EC2 has
i actually never checked... | [11:32] |
| RandalSchwartz | well - they throttle, I think | [11:32] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: i aim to please
RandalSchwartz: ah | [11:32] |
| RandalSchwartz | they want you to buy lots of machines, so the per-machine limit seems low | [11:32] |
| up_the_irons | btw, if anyone wants a netbook recommendation; i just got an MSI Wind 1350 and it is bad ass. i'm on it now | [11:33] |
| cmeiklejohn | up_the_irons: I'll check it out. | [11:33] |
| RandalSchwartz | I'm up to "Professional" on ipv6.he.net/certification/ | [11:33] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: yeah, they are geared toward "need 50 VMs to index your dictionary?" and then after it's done, you destroy the vms | [11:33] |
| RandalSchwartz | I just need to move my secondary from afraid.org to he.net to get the next level | [11:33] |
| up_the_irons | cmeiklejohn: what drew me in was the incredible contrast on the screen coupled with great brightness. usually, a lot of brightness will wash out the screen and you get greys. not with this little guy.
cmeiklejohn: and at $279, it was a no brainer | [11:34] |
| cmeiklejohn | up_the_irons: interesting. I have a Asus Eee right now which is pretty decent. | [11:35] |
| up_the_irons | cmeiklejohn: yeah i almost went the Asus route | [11:35] |
| cmeiklejohn | up_the_irons: what are you running on it? | [11:35] |
| up_the_irons | the screen didn't impress me quite as much
cmeiklejohn: ubuntu 10.04 netbook edition. but then i installed xmonad on top and run xmonad with a full gnome session in the background | [11:35] |
| cmeiklejohn | cool, i'm running ubuntu 10.04 netbook as well.
I almost went the xmonad route, but didn't. | [11:36] |
| up_the_irons | everything worked out of the box, no screwing with anything, not even having to download wifi firmware
wifi, sound, sleep, hibernate, everything so i'm quite impressed i gotta stick in another stick of ram (only comes with 1G), and then maybe i'm thinking of putting in an SSD. only thing with the SSD is, it would increase my TCO by about 50%, cuz this thing was so cheap to begin with it's not my primary laptop, so it doesn't need to be blazing fast | [11:36] |
| cmeiklejohn | what's your primary? | [11:38] |
| up_the_irons | ThinkPad T61 | [11:38] |
| mhoran | Nice. | [11:40] |
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| fink_ | so…t-shirts? | [11:58] |
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| cmeiklejohn | yes | [12:01] |
| toddf | randalschwartz: EC2 .. is that capable of running *BSD ? | [12:02] |
| mhoran | toddf: Some folks are trying to get FreeBSD to run on it, but they need money.
Not sure about the others. http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2010-04-05-FreeBSD-EC2.html | [12:03] |
| toddf | mhoran: oh yeah I saw that discussion here earlier
so EC2 requires a modified kernel kindof like xen eh? | [12:03] |
| mhoran | I'd imagine someone has tried to get NetBSD on there, not sure of their success. And Open, too. | [12:04] |
| cmeiklejohn | I believe ec2 is xen. | [12:04] |
| mhoran | Yes.
But even though FreeBSD will run on the latest Xen, it doesn't run on EC2 Xen. | [12:04] |
| toddf | arpnetworks should slowly automate VM creation processing and start competing with EC2. there is no competition in the price and quality, so why should EC2 get all the money? ;-) | [12:04] |
| fink_ | toddf: yea! | [12:05] |
| toddf | <sarcasm>hey lets all sign a petition to have arpnetworks compete with EC2, yeah, that'll take the cake</sarcasm> | [12:06] |
| fink_ | we could start a petition for tshirts | [12:07] |
| mhoran | We could just make t-shirts. | [12:07] |
| cmeiklejohn | Yes, that say "FreeBSD on EC2" | [12:07] |
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| toddf | better tshirt would be "ARP is the new EC2, better value, better price.." | [12:43] |
| fink_ | toddf: i think it needs to be raunchier | [12:44] |
| toddf | some clever marketing types would wrap that meaning in different words but as a customer I think that sentiment is solid | [12:45] |
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| norf | havent recieved any word on the order i placed yesterday...
I was hoping that vps would be ready today. | [12:57] |
| fink_ | norf: it's coming | [13:02] |
| norf | the suspense is killing me! | [13:03] |
| fink_ | ;) | [13:03] |
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| sbp5 | Hi | [16:21] |
| nesta | ^_^ | [16:22] |
| sbp5 | hi nesta :D | [16:22] |
| nesta | sup buddy | [16:23] |
| sbp5 | was trying to get a hold of somebody in charge of accounts but i submited an email anyway now | [16:34] |
| coil | hi nesta and sbp | [16:36] |
| sbp5 | sup dude ;d | [16:36] |
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| sbp5 | latez | [17:23] |
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| norf | hello, i jut got my vps activated...i only recieved one ip address in the email
i clicked the 5 ip address option when i made the order can someone straighten this out? I already sent an email concerning this. | [17:39] |
| nesta | have you logged in and checked ifconfig ?
hello norf | [17:44] |
| fink_ | norf: did you look at your account page? | [17:45] |
| norf | fink_: the email sent to me only contains one ip address. | [17:49] |
| fink_ | member:norf: did you look at your account page? | [17:49] |
| norf | i have not logged in to the vps yet, since i want to make sure i have my 5 ip addresses...
before i start putting things together.. | [17:49] |
| fink_ | log in and check out the admin page and your ifconfig
if it's not correct, then start freaking out | [17:50] |
| norf | alright. | [17:50] |
| nesta | norf: it's most likely all okay :) | [17:51] |
| norf | sorry, i was just expecting a list of ip addresses assigned to my vps
in the email you guys might want to think about that.... | [17:51] |
| nesta | norf: it usually goes like 123,124,125,126
most people would know that :) | [17:51] |
| norf | Ive leased dedicated machines from systeminplace, and corenetworks...they always told me what ip addresses are assigned to me when I made an order...especially the first order. | [17:52] |
| nesta | aww | [17:53] |
| fink_ | norf: let us know if you didn't get all the ips you requested | [17:53] |
| norf | alright.
yeah, ifconfig is only showing the 1 ip ill pastebin and rc.conf doesnt have the 5 ips set up either. | [17:53] |
| nesta | :-/ | [17:58] |
| RandalSchwartz | norf - you have to do that yourself
your addresses are assigned, as described by your account pages | [18:00] |
| norf | http://paste.uni.cc/20794 | [18:01] |
| RandalSchwartz | but you have to do the allocation yourself
Yeah - that doesn't matter go make your settings match your allocation | [18:01] |
| norf | hmm | [18:01] |
| RandalSchwartz | oh wait - it does | [18:01] |
| norf | i can do that, but id expect a host to set up the ips i ordered to have them set up | [18:02] |
| RandalSchwartz | uh - it's set up.
if you want the aliases, that's not typical | [18:02] |
| norf | i dont see them | [18:02] |
| RandalSchwartz | right
you're listening on 34 and you have the right netmask | [18:02] |
| norf | id expect the aliases set up.. | [18:02] |
| RandalSchwartz | you expect unusually then
I'd expect them *not* because first, it's simple and second, it's variable | [18:02] |
| norf | not really, ive been through a few dedi hosts a vps hosts...this is a first for me. | [18:03] |
| RandalSchwartz | the hard part is that *they* allocated the range for you
that's something you can't do at all | [18:03] |
| norf | i know that.
but i expect the ips i ordered ready to be used ... no matter, ill do it. | [18:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | seriously. edit 1 parameter, reboot.
the IPs belong to you you're just not listening to them. :) ... ipv4_addrs_em0=174.136.101.34-38/29 done :) and remove the ifconfig_em0 | [18:05] |
| nesta | <3 Randal | [18:07] |
| RandalSchwartz | I *think* it's /29
no maybe /30 no /29 | [18:07] |
| nesta | it ity is 29is
it is | [18:07] |
| RandalSchwartz | there ya go then | [18:07] |
| norf | i see on the site, must admit, this is the first freebsd vps ive used...i usually go for dedis and use rc.conf to bring up ip addresses
can i do that still with this vps? ive normally used freebsd jails and dedicated machines ...my first vps here.. | [18:08] |
| RandalSchwartz | norf - you can do what I just said | [18:09] |
| norf | so i cant bring the ips up with rc.conf ? | [18:10] |
| RandalSchwartz | uh ... you can
geez RandalSchwartz gives up ... ipv4_addrs_em0=174.136.101.34-38/29 in place of ifconfig_em0 seriously | [18:10] |
| norf | sorry! ive started drinking. | [18:11] |
| RandalSchwartz | if you're gonna ask questions, pay attention | [18:11] |
| nesta | then you can run 'sh /etc/netstart' afterwards, norf | [18:11] |
| norf | so just add ipv4_addrs_em0=174.136.101.34-38/29 to rc.conf
? | [18:11] |
| nesta | read above | [18:12] |
| RandalSchwartz | and delete the ifconfig_em0
RandalSchwartz repeats for the third time | [18:12] |
| nesta | gota love the freebsd babyyyy
:))) hehe | [18:12] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah - I really like that shorthand in teh rc.onf
rc.conf even | [18:13] |
| nesta | indeed it a goodie
*s | [18:13] |
| norf | ifconfig_em0="inet 174.136.101.34 netmask 255.255.255.248"
de;ete that | [18:13] |
| nesta | yes | [18:13] |
| norf | and add ipv4_addrs_em0=174.136.101.34-38/29 | [18:13] |
| nesta | one should always make backups of any configuration file first, of course. | [18:14] |
| norf | and reboot or run sh /etc/netstart | [18:14] |
| nesta | correct | [18:14] |
| norf | k
thanks friend. | [18:14] |
| RandalSchwartz | yes norf. delete ifconfig=em0, and add the ipv4_addrs_em0 | [18:15] |
| norf | defaultrouter="174.136.101.33"
hostname="sindustries.cust.arpnetworks.com" #ifconfig_em0="inet 174.136.101.34 netmask 255.255.255.248" ipv4_addrs_em0=174.136.101.34-38/29 sshd_enable="YES" ipv6_enable="YES" ipv6_defaultrouter="2607:f2f8:a140::1" ipv6_ifconfig_em0="2607:f2f8:a140::2 prefixlen 64" like such? | [18:17] |
| nesta | one does wonder at times.
:-X nesta waddles off | [18:17] |
| norf | well, thats correct no?
norf reboots | [18:18] |
| RandalSchwartz | I set my address to ...::0 :)
host red.stonehenge.com :) makes for a shorter URL | [18:19] |
| norf | norf waits a min for the vps to come back up | [18:20] |
| up_the_irons | I find a lot of providers do things the "wrong" way, so when someone comes to me and is like, "but I've been here, here, and here, and they do it like this", I don't have much to say ;) | [18:20] |
| nesta | ^5 | [18:21] |
| up_the_irons | I've always assigned only 1 IP. the others are for you to decide how you want them | [18:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah, you may want to put them on a second virtual interface or something | [18:21] |
| up_the_irons | someone once expected me to list every IPv6 address they had ;) | [18:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | heh
"here, let me fax it to you" :) | [18:21] |
| up_the_irons | i told them "you'd run out of kernel memory" ;)
RandalSchwartz: LOL | [18:21] |
| norf | ok
works. ty guys sorry im intoxicated and not following to well. | [18:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | not a good time to be doing netadmin then | [18:23] |
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| up_the_irons | someone from rootbsd just hit and ran... | [18:29] |
| nesta | whats that mean | [18:29] |
| norf | rootbsd is pricey
and they buy advertising on distrowatch. So far, im pleased with arpnetworks. | [18:31] |
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| up_the_irons | norf: the whole 10 minutes you've had your vps ? ;)
i aim to please | [18:33] |
| mhoran | Haha. | [18:38] |
| norf | hey, you put up with a drinking guy that just got his vps ...although I did sense some animosity among you all...i can understand it....openbsd people are full of it...and freebsd folks are just a little better...
so...props to you for not telling me to fuck off and go rtfm systeminplace run by nenolod, the maintainer of charybdis (the parent ircd of freenodes current ircd-seven) runs systeminplace...his idea of support is "i dont care, figure it out yourself" he also wrote the parent irc services for this network...atheme...hes a gifted coder...but a complete jerkoff... | [18:44] |
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| norf | i can freebsd-update this vps yes?
norf got tired of doung source based base upgrades long ago | [18:51] |
| fink_ | norf: yes | [18:53] |
| up_the_irons | norf: you can do anything on the vps that you can do on normal box | [18:53] |
| fink_ | and i feel the same way | [18:53] |
| up_the_irons | just you can't touch the hardware ;) | [18:53] |
| fink_ | up_the_irons: how do i put a newegg sticker on my vps? | [18:53] |
| norf | great! | [18:53] |
| up_the_irons | fink_: haha | [18:53] |
| norf | i dont need to touch the hardware...i have enough of that to do in my own home... | [18:54] |
| fink_ | rimshot! | [18:54] |
| up_the_irons | that's what she said | [18:54] |
| norf | i have a 750gb seagate barracuda sata drive to add to my wifes debian testing system tomorrow..
i just put UNR on my kids eeepc this morning... i hate ubuntu...but fuck it...its easy...and its for my kid...i dont have to use it... my freebsd nfs server/media center box got dismantled due to bad wiring taking out my wifes powersupplies... so i need to replace that | [18:54] |
| up_the_irons | I installed Ubuntu 10.04 Netbook Edition on a new MSI Wind L1350 I got. Everything worked out of the box, _everything_. For a desktop OS, Ubuntu wins. | [18:56] |
| norf | i would rather have debian squeeze on it.
but as i said its my kids...i dont have to use it. i dont like the cluttered UNR desktop. but imust say..that UNR desktop ////fat gnome with crap added...makes the eeepc much easier to use than the stock win 7 starter that comes with it... win 7 is not suited to a netbook...at all... not sure win 7 is suited to anything...ive never had to use it outside of replacing it with linux on my eeepc... | [18:57] |
| up_the_irons | yeah, i couldn't get win 7 to work at all.
win 7 lived for 5 minutes on my MSI, before getting erased by Ubuntu | [18:59] |
| norf | it really runs like crap on the eeepc 1005hab ...
i used it to upgrade the bios...then i put UNR on it. its slow i think im going to strip UNR down ... on my kids eeepc ...and go with openbox+lxpanel...or tint2 panel...like i use on my desktop. i love openbox. kde4 is just blasphemy. gnome is getting just ignorantly fat...like kde4.. but still faster.. gtk2 = faster than qt :/ xfce4 is not as light as it used to be either lxde is basically openbox with a few other apps but its better than the above mentioned... me...i just use openbox and all gtk2 apps... i feel dirty if i mix qt crap into my system... sorry, rambling. but still... kde3.5.x is still ftw over kde4. | [19:00] |
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| up_the_irons | xmonad is my window manager of choice | [19:28] |
| norf | openbox here | [19:30] |
| diatribes | dwm or death | [19:31] |
| fink_ | screen | [19:35] |
| diatribes | tmux | [19:35] |
| norf | deez nuts | [19:36] |
| diatribes | doze nuts? | [19:37] |
| norf | yes, deez nuts. | [19:37] |
| diatribes | ah, doze nuts. | [19:38] |
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| mike-burns | Well that was an informative backlog. | [22:02] |
| RandalSchwartz | you logged someone's back? | [22:02] |
| mike-burns | Yeah and she didn't like it one bit. | [22:02] |
| RandalSchwartz | clearcut? :) | [22:03] |
| mike-burns | Slash-and-burn, even. | [22:03] |
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| JacobWilson | owner in? | [22:37] |
| RandalSchwartz | some of the rest of us are at least | [22:38] |
| JacobWilson | i stil cnat log into my newest vps, its bee3n a whikle
*been a while | [22:38] |
| RandalSchwartz | does it show up when you reboot it on the VNC console? | [22:38] |
| JacobWilson | no
it times ou | [22:39] |
| RandalSchwartz | did it ever work? | [22:39] |
| JacobWilson | no | [22:39] |
| RandalSchwartz | can you at least connect to the console? | [22:39] |
| JacobWilson | nope3 | [22:39] |
| RandalSchwartz | email support@ then
he's pretty responsive | [22:39] |
| JacobWilson | k, i have been but ty
no response yet | [22:40] |
| RandalSchwartz | does it at least show the machine on your admin screens? | [22:40] |
| JacobWilson | hasnt been too long just 3 or 4 days | [22:41] |
| RandalSchwartz | and on the list of machines when you ssh to the admin machine? | [22:41] |
| JacobWilson | on th3e web page? | [22:41] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah | [22:41] |
| JacobWilson | yeah it shows both of them | [22:41] |
| RandalSchwartz | "both"
? | [22:41] |
| JacobWilson | my open and free bsd vps'
i have tow from arp *two | [22:42] |
| RandalSchwartz | and one works, other doesn't? | [22:42] |
| JacobWilson | sorry typing on a phon3e
correct | [22:42] |
| welll idk man
no clue i tiried to email em im gone to bed its wayto late for this and aggrivating kinda peace out ty RandalSchwartz for helpin out much ya could | [22:52] | |
| nesta | JacobWilson: :) | [22:53] |
| JacobWilson | hi
:) im gone to bed nestqa nesta | [22:53] |
| nesta | k man
sleep well | [22:54] |
| JacobWilson | hopefully theyll fix my stuff tomorrow
k ty buddy, i should have thqat house this week still | [22:54] |
| nesta | nice one | [22:54] |
| JacobWilson | take care bro
im back to e3fnet peace :D | [22:55] |
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