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RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks RandalSchwartz: some day, I will meet the wise and noble up_the_irons
he should just drop by Maria's Downtown, and that'd make it easy. :) up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: where is Maria's? I'm in downtown so little now, having specifically engineered all my gear to be remotely accessible (if something is down, there is no driving to add to additional downtime)
I'd say I can count that as a success :)
RandalSchwartz: are you still in LA?
all: today I will send all the pre-order people their signup link RandalSchwartz: I arrived the 4th, leaving the 16th or so
maria's is 600 block of floswer
flower up_the_irons: ah cool RandalSchwartz: oooh, and being mayor on 4square here gives me a free appetizer and dessert!
yeay up_the_irons: LOL RandalSchwartz: but since I get double miles for my credit card mon-wed, I'll save those for thursday :)
I've got neil's new machine mostly configured... he just has to test and approve before we go live this weekend
and then we can get off that ugly expensive EC2 box up_the_irons: ah cool
how is EC2 pricing these days? I find it kinda confusing so never did real calcs... but from what i've heard isn't it comparable to a vps, like $20 / month for something basic? ***: spits has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: like if you add up all the "CPU Hours" and crap
for a full month spits: sup ***: spits has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)
cedwards has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) mhoran: up_the_irons: I think a basic EC2 instance costs around $70/month.
Ask cmeiklejohn for the details. He's done the calcs. RandalSchwartz: neil's paying about $120/month for about half of what he'll be getting from ARP
so it's about 2 or 3 to 1
and that doesn't count the multiple redundancies up_the_irons: what are the multiple redundancies?
mhoran: roger RandalSchwartz: power supply, disk, network, ultimately the CPU,
EC2 doesn't promise restarting my instance if the physical machine dies
I suspect you would up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: doesn't EC2 have redudancy in those things though? I mean, it's supposed to be "cloudy" ;) RandalSchwartz: no - they promise restarting the boot image up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: well yeah, I'd copy all the instances to a new machine RandalSchwartz: but not the live disk up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: oh i c RandalSchwartz: we've had to calculate that into backup plans up_the_irons: so the live disk is not persistent, in that case? RandalSchwartz: right up_the_irons: weird RandalSchwartz: I have a script that snapshots to permanent storage up_the_irons: i mean, i assume they still have the live disk stored somewhere RandalSchwartz: but it'd still be a pain to get restarted
Yeah - weird eh?
you can't boot from permanent storage
only attache it up_the_irons: ah ok
I thought you could by now RandalSchwartz: nope
so my / is always volatile
I can issue a reboot, and it's preserved
but if they need to migrate, it's dead up_the_irons: that seems really dumb; but i think the EC2 market is different than the 24/7/365 uptime machine market RandalSchwartz: yup
it's all about servers starting from known AMIs up_the_irons: gotcha RandalSchwartz: so / is really irrelevant up_the_irons: yeah RandalSchwartz: what's important is where your DB is
and what your IPs are up_the_irons: gotcha RandalSchwartz: in fact, you coudl view local changes to / as distracting
and possibly destructive
you're supposed to get everything as you want for a boot image, then make an AMI from it
and then launch everything from there
it's a different model from a VPS ***: heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: ah ok, so you can make your own AMI's, but not have an "forever evolving" AMI which would be like a VPS, always at the last state you had it RandalSchwartz: right
you *can* reboot your own server
but they don't promise eternal existance of it
so it's possible you'll have to boot from an AMI
as I said, you offer the far better deal for most mortals
and I really appreciate getting off the single dedicated box in texas
because god-forbit that thing go down... it'd be my problem to have backed up to another disk somewhere off box
where I know you have my disk in a place that a new CPU can look at it
and since I'm not the only guy on the box, many people would be yelling at you :)
so I don't have to be the guy yelling up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: haha, yeah that's true
a buddy of mine had his dedicated box die recently; he then just bought a vps with me RandalSchwartz: there's an advantage in numbers up_the_irons: yeah RandalSchwartz: I know there's a slight security risk in the ring0 being penetrated, but that's all worth the upside up_the_irons: yeah
i fear that enough to take measures to avoid it RandalSchwartz: have you seen any recent hacks that break ring0 up_the_irons: theoretical ones have been demonstrated RandalSchwartz: yeah, just wondering about things in the field
you said you'd be rebooting when you needed to update. I don't recall any of those. up_the_irons: the debian / ubuntu security mailing list shows them from time to time, but when I see "[so and so] has demonstrated [such and such]", i never know if that "hack" was disclosed or still secret
I tend not to want to reboot every time a security update comes out. Many are not applicable. The ones that are can build up into a "super" update. Unfortunately, if I rebooted every time a Linux kernel hack came out, it'd be every few weeks RandalSchwartz: yeah - that's what I expected.
I guess you don't do that up_the_irons: the break-ins we've seen in the past (like the fsckvps fiasco) tend to come from weaker links, like bad / common passwords, leaving this too open, etc... RandalSchwartz: ok
yeah, it'll always be low-hanging fruit up_the_irons: s/this/things/ RandalSchwartz: hence, no more sshd on 22 for me up_the_irons: yeah me either RandalSchwartz: neil's first box was getting hammered 24x7
so I just removed that
dictionary attacks, coordinated from 30 IPs
so clearly it was a mass attack up_the_irons: yeah RandalSchwartz: a .. z but from rotating 30 IPs
bad guys got too much resourcs
I blame redmond up_the_irons: same RandalSchwartz: for all the good that having windows made business buy computers...
I wonder if enough bad has already been done to reset that up_the_irons: gotta wonder RandalSchwartz: considering that 80%+ of spam is from zombies...
and zombies couldn't exist without windows desktop idiots visiting pr0n sites up_the_irons: gotta return some movies to the video store... -: up_the_irons wonders off ***: spits has joined #arpnetworks spits: whats up ***: heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks
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heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) au: up_the_irons: you doing signups at 12am? :)
ok work now, gotta run spits: lol
that would be sweet ***: spits has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)