hmm console: connect(): 3109@mercury.arpnetworks.com: Connection refused is there something I can say at the VNC console to have it (a) boot from the DVD, and (b) use the serial console instead of the VNC? I'm un-accustomed to FreeBSD's bootloader, I know in OpenBSD you type at the 'boot>' prompt 'set tty com0' a) is 'hit f12 before the prompt goes away on reboot' as I recall from conversations here, it may be a diferent f# but it should be a prompt on the screen yeah, I've learned to hit f12 that'll get the dvd to boot I just need to know what to do net. :) next. :) surely freebsd has reams of docs about serial console installs http://tinyurl.com/2g94tyf Har. let no one say there is not a sense of humor here. ;-) so something was wedged with my VM, so hard that vnc did not work, and serial still does not its booting blind on serial, whee thank goodness for the 'hard shutdown' option, that did the trick the serial installs presume that you can "edit your install floppies" I'm trying to do a "start with VNC then migrate to serial" thing that's why I'm asking if anyone here has done it with all the buttons freebsd has I'm quite surprised they don't have a 'switch to serial' option in their bootloader they might! I'm so spoiled over in OpenBSD ;-) the question is, I don't know where to look :( RandalSchwartz: I think if you hit '-D' at the boot prompt, it'll go into "dual" serial / video mode, so you'll get output on the serial er it's freebsd, right? he's right about -D personally, I prefer to set it (and -h) in /boot/config er /boot.config where does the boot prompt show up? it seems to go right to the menu -Dh will send boot loader to serial too. -D alone sends it to video ... is my understanding. on a (non-vps) machine, when it was running freebsd it was -Dh -S115200 in /boot.config, boot loader, prompts, console etc. all went to... well, both I think, but certainly serial too. so I'm still puzzled about how to boot from my virtual DVD, and talk on the console instead of the VNC ... oh wait, I see what you're saying now. I thought you were talking about on an already-installed system./ no RandalSchwartz: VNC is still required to "see" the BIOS screen and hit F12 to boot from CD-ROM. From there, it's (obviously) OS-specific on how to redirect to serial. I'm actually not very familiar with doing it on FreeBSD; I'm more used to using OpenBSD over serial yeah - that's why I was asking so after I hit F12... then what and boot from CD and use option 6 and now I'm at "ok" RandalSchwartz: at the FreeBSD boot loader prompt, just type "-Dh" then [enter]. I think that'll do it can I get from there to talking to the console ? how do I get to the boot loader prompt? F12 immediately goes into booting or rather, a menu. been a while since I tried RandalSchwartz: at the menu, there should be a "drop to boot prompt" option, or something although I *do* have a spare VPS I can try now yes - that's the loader prompt not the boot0 prompt so I doubt it knows about -Dh "man loader" vs "man boot" different levels this is where my eyes glaze over and I just boot up OpenBSD ;) heh let me try on mine test vM RandalSchwartz: at "OK" prompt, type: set console="comconsole" and bang, it'll output to serial ahh. that's easy thanks if only there was some kind of place where this knowledge could be captured. you won't even get any feedback, "OK" will just appear on the serial now something anyone could edit. :) and maybe associated with ARP yeah i still want to set up moinmoin and make wiki.arpnetworks.com or something what about the semi-official existing one? I was half joking that I should put this info there RandalSchwartz: http://arpwiki.com/ appears to still be up cd $lunch mv lunch . :) just bring it to ya I've been doing some cleanup in my smtpd_X_restrictions for postfix today. can anyone suggest any additions / changes http://pastebin.com/B8PwnbAb