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[06:52] <dxtr> hmm
[06:52] <cedwards> hmm
[06:54] <mike-burns> hmm?
[06:55] <dxtr> I'm bored .p
[06:55] <dxtr> I'd like something to do
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[07:36] <bob^^> get a job :D
[07:36] <bob^^> anyone use unfuddle or lighthouseapp (or anythign similar?)
[07:38] <cedwards> not heard of either
[07:39] <bob^^> supposidely lightweight/simple bug trackers
[07:39] <bob^^> am looking for something end-user friendly :)
[07:39] <cedwards> I use flyspray, but I think it's not really maintained anymore.
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[07:43] <LT> redmine seems to be getting used quite a lot lately... seems reasonable from an end user point of view but I dunno how much of a pain it is to install/maintain
[07:44] <cedwards> I hope you enjoy Ruby.
[07:44] <bob^^> yeah, i've had a look at redmine - the rails aspect of it puts me off :/
[07:45] <LT> heh yeah... probably only useful if you already do rails for other stuff
[07:46] <LT> trac I suppose is the other common option, but it confuses me
[07:47] <cedwards> something about Trac never quite sat right with me. I think there's too much to it.
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[08:29] <bob^^> yeah, i agree about trac
[08:30] <bob^^> i used to use arctictracker, it's actually pretty good
[08:30] <bob^^> but seems like it hasn't been touched in a couple of years which bothers me given it did have some security holes
[08:48] <mike-burns> We're switching from Lighthouse to Pivotal Tracker for everything at work, but that might not be what you want at all.
[08:49] <bob^^> what was the reason for moving away from lighthouse, if you don't mind me asking?
[08:53] <cedwards> we use JIRA at work, which can be free for open soure projects. the new version blows though.
[08:56] <bob^^> i think jira's probably a bit heavyweight
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[09:47] <mike-burns> JIRA is pretty heavyweight.
[09:47] <mike-burns> We moved away from LightHouse because ticket tracking doesn't follow how we really work, but story tracking does. That's why we moved to Pivotal.
[09:48] <bob^^> ah, makes sense :)
[10:07] <cedwards> Yeah, JIRA (and java) are pigss
[10:08] <cedwards> we're a java shop, so I'm surronded by fanbois and I can't stand it as a sysadmin
[10:08] <mike-burns> We just switched to a Java-based CI server. Seems to be working fine but luckily I'm not the (main) admin on that system.
[10:09] <cedwards> "we need 8+ G RAM for our ticket tracker and wiki." WTF
[10:10] <bob^^> jeez :/
[10:11] <bob^^> tbh i'll probably stick with lighthouse for now, i've given it to a couple of end users to play with and they seem pretty happy
[10:14] <DaCa> if you haven't chosen your vcs yet, you might consider fossil-scm.org
[10:16] <mike-burns> Who uses that?
[10:18] <DaCa> sqlite?
[10:25] <mhoran> Huh.
[10:26] <mhoran> We use Lighthouse.
[11:15] <bob^^> how do you find it mhoran ?
[11:16] <jdoe> trac is good for development.
[11:16] <jdoe> milestones, wiki, svn, tickets etc. all in one.
[11:16] <jdoe> and yeah I'll grant it can be a little 'busy' if you don't need one of the features.
[11:16] <jdoe> ... *shrug* so turn them off.
[11:17] <bob^^> yeah, trac was tempting
[11:17] <bob^^> i'm thinking i'll stick with lighthouse for now - it seems a bit feature-light in places but my beta testers seem to be enjoying it
[11:17] <bob^^> they're not necessarily the most technically proficient end users you see :)
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[14:14] <up_the_irons> bob^^: i use lighthouseapp at the day job, but i don't like it
[14:15] <up_the_irons> cd $lunch
[14:15] <bob^^> too simple?
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[14:40] <mhoran> bob^^: It works well for our workflow.
[14:40] <mhoran> We've got a bunch of departments all piped from the same LH account.
[14:40] <mhoran> We use tags to differentiate between tasks, and milestones to lay out our workflow.
[14:41] <mhoran> It's worked pretty well so far, and is significantly better than what we had before.
[15:22] <up_the_irons> bob^^: it's simply slow; also, we have like 50 projects, and I can't see tickets for a particular person across all projects
[15:23] <bob^^> ahh
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[21:40] <CRowen> hi all
[21:40] <CRowen> vps server order?
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[22:25] <ballen> Yaaay colloquy can run in the background on the iPhone
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