Why isn't http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3514 used? lol Things like that have to be a standard before they even would work pretty difficult to convince people to go out of their way to implement something when 1 large entity choosing not to makes the whole thing useless Ofcourse http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5841 could be used instead With the "evil" flag set lol Err.. HOw come nickcolor.pl doesn't work in irssi? :( it does? i've not used it for years, but it certainly used to http://scripts.irssi.org/html/nickcolor.pl.html Well for me it doesn't :( :( Hey, RandalSchwartz hey dtr dxtr even You know that project report I had to make? The other day I don't recall "project report" isn't ringing a bell maybe you used different words Oh yeah You know the log book? That was part of a report to my school project again... not recalling "log book" maybe you used different words there. :) or maybe you were talking when I wasn't reading the channel Yeah, Maybe I did i stay camped here, but I never read the scrollback so if I'm not actually responding, I am probably not seeing it But anyway, got an A on a 13 page report I did in a couple of hours cool I made the report about a project that took a couple of hours but wasn't allowed to take less than 100 I wonder how come I always get an A when I throw together stuff last-minute but when I actually do it right I get something lower Am I really that bad? you're gonna be in for a bigger shock in the real world :) hehe weird. I can't seem to get to google from my VPS? but others work. do you have firewalls in place? is your rDNS correct? are you trying ping or something else? telnet www.google.com 80 times out. And no pf rules that would filter outbound packets. host www.google.com works? up_the_irons: any known issues atm? what about rDNS Yeah I can resolve it. no known issues i can't get to arpnetworks.com or any of our servers, same with everyone else here :( google may be having problems: n $ traceroute www.google.com traceroute: Warning: www.google.com has multiple addresses; using 72.14.213.103 traceroute to www.l.google.com (72.14.213.103), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 s1.lax.arpnetworks.com (208.79.88.1) 0.898 ms 0.773 ms 2.237 ms oooh dns related? 2 ge0-15.as01.lax07.mzima.net (67.199.135.101) 7.667 ms 0.463 ms 0.447 ms 3 google.com.any2ix.coresite.com (206.223.143.41) 0.454 ms core1-0-1-0.lax.net.google.com (198.32.146.46) 0.511 ms google.com.any2ix.coresite.com (206.223.143.41) 0.544 ms 4 216.239.43.14 (216.239.43.14) 0.701 ms 0.692 ms 0.658 ms not dns related 5 * * just getting there it hits google over Any2 IX, then stops eeks, alright amdprophet: you'll need to provide a traceroute amdprophet: but in the end, probably not much i can do. if some network between you and me is having problems, I have to wait for them to fix it works fine from oversee just down the street to google that is yea i understand but not hitting any2ix it appears google just came back ping6 ipv6.google.com works but not ping www.google.com heh so just use ipv6 for a bit damn ipv4 http://pastie.org/975124 already running out of bits, it seems :) up_the_irons: i'm getting stopped at xe2-0.cr01.sjc01.mzima.net route flappage at the third hop that's never good route flappage indicates some routing issues and it's outside ARP, so you'll just have to wiat wait even probably getting split route coming back so not able to roundtrip yeah not my first network :) :) I managed the second 56k line into intel.com in 1989 we had an entirely different net number just so that we didn't need to figure out how to deal with two internet routes. :) in 1992, intel was compiling pieces from 25 divisions to create a massive 70k-line /etc/hosts file for the company updating it 3 times a day I guess they weren't comfortable with DNS yet. :) one entire division's hosts were rejected from insertion... they had used underscore in the host names I said "that won't go into dns, so it doesn't go into /etc/hosts here either" they said "can you fix dns please?" :) apparently the idea of world wide didn't occur to them so is the issue a problem with mzima's routes? i was able to get a bit further this time amdprophet: I just sent a support req to Mzima, and I'll report when I know more thanks :) np how's the ps3? amdprophet: sucking my productivity dry haha haha. i can relate, if video games didn't exist i would have had all of my projects done 2 years ago my COD: MW2 "you-have-no-life-o-meter" reads like 2d 11h. I think you know which meter I'm talking about i think i was up to like 30d or something lol was really addicted amdprophet: OMG i feel so much better haha "At least I don't have 30d like amdprophet" is what I'll keep telling myself write it on a sticky note, "At least I'm not as bad as amdprophet" i tell myself i'm not as bad as my friend, he's got like 20,000 hours in WoW jesus amdprophet: is he really fucking good? i'm probably exaggerating a bit but it's definitely in the thousands of hours i don't think he's that good, no, he just does a lot of raids up_the_irons: What does his sexual skill have to do anything with wow? ;) LOL dxtr: I think sexual skill and video games skill may have an inverse relationship True up_the_irons, noticed any issues getting to google from your network? route through mzima seems busted. blovett: yes, I have it's not mzima, it gets through to Any2 216.239.43.12 <-- works 216.239.43.14 <-- dies ah, well yeah. blovett: ipv6.google.com? :D I have end users complaining. :( "STFU AND USE IPV6!" blovett: 216.239.43.14 is google so they have a broken "something" yeah, I see this. thankfully this is why we have multiple paths. *sigh* but if whatever makes the decisions on their end puts you to .12, it works up_the_irons: gimme a job! up_the_irons, so. I'm looking at finally ditching my colo and getting another vps. what would it cost for additional disk space? I'm only thinking going from 40 -> 60GB. but don't need the additional RAM.. Unless it would cost the same as the vps with 2GB, in which case. :) blovett: send me an email at support@ and I'll get back to ya. I try not to "break up" the plans now, because it gets confusing having a lot of custom plans. fair enough. I'll do that. thanks up_the_irons: any updates on that ticket? amdprophet: nothing yet, I sent them some more traceroutes from other networks. Can you PM me your phone number, Mzima wants to talk to someone on the Shaw network that is having problems. sure, 778-829-3041 OK, I'll forward this along, thanks np server is responding REALLY SLOWLY It keeps slowing down quite a bit well, at last I can connect via ipv6 :p amdprophet: Meanwhile in the bat cave... rofl i just moved to the other room actually, the bat cave is too loud and hot all those servers... server rooms make poor bat caves why are you waiting for a phone call>? it's true What's a phone call? ;) RandalSchwartz: up_the_irons gave my phone # to mzima because there's a routing issue somewhere inbetween my isp and arpnetworks your isp is google? can't get to www.google.com from arp either it's not just your personal problem. :) I presume there are already a dozen people pulling their hair out trying to solve this issue I'll make millions! Mwahaha! hair today, gone tomorrow heh razorluv: er, waT? Accidentally, press r, "opps! better erase it", touch TAB for some reason, "Wtf?", miss backspace Accidentally press r I can't type nowadays. I wonder if it's the stress from school messing with my head Hmm. my connection from ARP to freenode just went bad My connection was laggy before To freenode Other than that I haven't noticed much I'd say there's some general routage issues today I wonder if I can connect via v6 the tubes are clogged is all. oh - looky there. I can i'm always connect via v6 ... /server ipv6.chat.freenode.net ahh verne is still in the US though. -verne.freenode.net- Your host is verne.freenode.net[2001:19f0:feee::dead:beef:cafe/6667], running version ircd-seven-1.0.1 I like that... 'dead:beef:cafe" it's a popular one my WPA password is "adeadbeefbabe" they said it needed to be 13 chars. I thought they meant hex chars :) hehe but it's an easy one to remember "burger girl" :) RandalSchwartz: my isp is shaw, there's nothing inbetween my isp + mzima and that's also where google times out so yeah, it's probably mzima need to get IPv6 running so i can contact it, any suggestions? I need to do the same. "contat it"? which "it" I hope this issue is not a sign of things to come, now that PacketExchange has bought Mzima. I'm working with this support engineer over there, and he keeps telling me he's unable to reproduce the problem. W.T.F. what do you mean "get ipv6 running" you have a /48 on your box already. :) ugh, packetexchange :/ when my contract is up, I should buy from Level3 directly bob^^: you have experience with them? only anecdotal up_the_irons bob^^: bad? from other ISPs here in the UK not good oh shit cheap ugh they exchange working packets for dead ones. :) i had them described to me as 'cheap and cheerful' they send all the packets through Exchange. :) which i take to mean... 'poor service' Mzima was always very good, never had an issue; used them for almost 10 years IP-over-SMTP had good service from l3 and gblx though if that helps :) bob^^: yeah i ran a gblx circuit once, was good i should buy from l3 and gblx, bet that'd be a good mix :D I don't know why I'm saying this here but apparently the province I live in has a name in english :P i can't really talk atm, my employer takes transit from only one supplier :/ which i find very disturbing indeed ouch http://www.robtex.com/as/as25178.html#graph i've been jumping up and down to get l3 in as apparently they have presence near our core network now... so we should definitely be buying from them imho my graph is funny: http://www.robtex.com/as/as25795.html#graph transit from those guys is *very* good though, which helps yeah hehe looks a lot more healthy than mine :) not right now ;) hehehe hey up_the_irons - if you do speak to l3, i'd be interested to hear what they quote per mbit for comparison to their UK charges up_the_irons - you're providing 6to4? 192.88.99 ? or is that just because you're peering with others who do? RandalSchwartz: i was, but that router was taken offline when i decomissioned my Xen instances it was just a linux + quagga setup, kinda stupid but it worked :) so traffic is heading towards you recklessly? :) or does it just get bounced to the next guy somehow is there something i can throw on my openbsd router to handle the routing of IPv6 traffic (over IPv4 on the WAN)? I use a tunnel broker for that at home that is yes. you can get a free tunnel from he.net I use sixxs :) I'm using that with my Airport Extreme at hime sixxs wasn't compatible with Airport Extreme so I just cancelled mine with them Not sure how good he.nets routing is to Sweden :) amdprophet: just tunnel through your vps he.net is all over the world But sixxs works for me now up_the_irons: can't get to my vps :p bah :( amdprophet: But yeah, try he.net or sixxs if you want ipv6 connectivity at home :) ... http://tunnelbroker.net/ dxtr: any preference? I use sixxs, RandalSchwartz is using he.net Both works so... Nah :) ... (Fremont, CA; New York, NY; Dallas, TX; Chicago, IL; London, UK; Frankfurt, Germany; Paris, France; Amsterdam, NL; Miami, FL; Ashburn, VA; Seattle, WA; Los Angeles, CA; Hong Kong; Toronto, ON are any of those near you? :) RandalSchwartz: Toronto, ON was the last one So... No seattle is i'm about 3 hours from seattle Amsterdam, NL was the closest for me there ya go select Amsterdam then amdprophet: I think he.net is better in the US I have a /48 at home thanks to he.net Because I don't think sixxs have that many nodes in the states And half of them seem to be down i'll try he I've got a /48 at home thanks to sixxs, RandalSchwartz ;) yeah - and sixxs requires a lot more work as in, not compatible with Airport Extreme Actually I haven't done anything since I set it up all I had to do was type a few addresses into the confnig with sixxs, I would have needed a machine dedicated to being the broker I'm using an openbsd router, RandalSchwartz :) Yeah, I don't have any home computers just my laptops and the tivo, and the ps3 Hehe I've got two laptops plus the router (An intel atom 330) plus two more laptops (Mom and dad) plus my brothers stationary And my girlfriend brings her laptop here So.. I've still got plenty of addresses I've gotten quite used to using Miredo (Mac Teredo) on my laptop as I travel now too so I'm almost always hooked in to here via v6 even when in a v4-only internet cafe shutting down Mzima session; hold onto your seats i lost my seat, what do i hold on to? RandalSchwartz: differences between a regular tunnel and a bgp tunnel? amdprophet: I can reach your IP now :) woot amdprophet: the Shaw one, that is it works! fucking Mzima err, Packet Exchange the fix should not involve me turning off the circuit you need a bgp tunnel if you also ahve other ways to the internet if you have only one way out, no need you can simply take the default route approach thx or if you want to run more than one net behind your connection you have to exchange "I have xyz, you have what?" handshaking if so amdprophet: I assume Mzima never called you? if you have only one net, they already know it, and they'll route to you for that, and you route to them for everything else up_the_irons: you assume correctly :) How the hell do Teredo work? bah I never got that it works quite well! up_the_irons: sounds like PacketExchange is going to be a fun time for you But it's meant for casual connections. if you're permanently wiring up 6 over 4, then you should use a broker like he.net with teredo, you get an IPv6 depending on the nearest globally routed v4 so as I move around, I have different v6's on my laptop right and I think there's randomizing... so if I'm off the net for a bit, I get a new v6 like right now, I'm 2001:0:4137:9e76:0:1ec7:33f2:5cdb the "2001:0" is the clue that I'm Teredo if you ever see that somewhere else, that's what it is the last four bytes encode my ipv4 address Ah that's how the he.net machine (which happens to be the biggest teredo server as well) knows where to route my v4 packets But.. How do all routers know where to route the ipv6 packets? Is it done over ipv4? yes ipv4 to he.net, and they unwrap it and put it on v6 when it comes back, they wrap it back in v4, send it back And how do the clients find the nearest teredo tunnel? they contact the One True Tunnel Broker ... teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com of all things. :) Interesting The service is actually contracted out to (you guessed it) he.net :) see.. he.net wants your ipv6 business but this is how all Vista and windows 7 machines get "free" ipv6 they all have teredo on by default and they contact the microsoft.com address to get routed I see the microsoft.com is just a NAT bridging solution... they figure out a nearby he.net machine based on your source IP, then get the two of you to talk to each other using NAT-traversal works most of the time... can possibly fail if you're double-NATted anyway, I just have a Miredo prefpane that I leave enabled within about 5 seconds of me getting an ipv4, I also have an ipv6 you just exponentially increased my understanding of Teredo I've read some about Teredo before but never gotten it. But they seem to have improved the wikipedia article now :) well, remember "1/2" is an exponent. :) Funny guy :P that's why I like people saying "for a fraction of the cost" without realzing that "3/2" is a fraction :) "So it's only -50% cheaper?" "no that's 50% less off!" hah omgosh my nick! "wait... are you saying '50% less' or '50% off'?" "that's right, I'm saying 50% less off!" :D your nick? is he here? :) I've been "underscored" You know what I just realized, RandalSchwartz? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Root_graphs.svg <- It looks like an onion yay onions are roots, yes onions are like my ex or, my ex is like an onion She's a vegetable? i wish she was no. onions are fruits. onion is a fruit? but they smell like shit RandalSchwartz: I have them in a salad and on burgers therefore they are vegetables you never have tomatoes or fruit salad? :) I roast them and have them on my hot dogs - therefore they are vegetables! What are you saying? That you have onions in your fruit salad? dxtr: science? ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato#Fruit_or_vegetable.3F fink: They are vegetables too dxtr: yes, i know RandalSchwartz: i think onions are veggies I know. I was kidding. aiming for "50% more less knowledge" fink: Not many know that sciences are vegetables dxtr: err… I'm just tired ;) Hmm... water and ice cream perhaps yummy sandwiches a soup and half salad combo see - now my v6 is 2001:0:4137:9e76:0:1f21:b4cd:9c23 woot, got Linux up and running on my work laptop. I gotta say. For a desktop OS, Ubuntu really got it right. linux feh yeah, ubuntu's not bad except that it's linux :) freebsd will run linux binaries just fine no emulation needed then you get all of linux plus all of a good OS but it passes the girlfriend test you can install it for your girlfriend and she can use it that's a good desktop OS silly linux pcbsd works for that freebsd with a user-friendly skin have you ever tried to get a good solid desktop OS running on a laptop with wifi and soft volume controls and all that stuff? on BSD? it's a painin the ass, even pcbsd. RandalSchwartz: Any disk encryption in pcbsd? who needs a gf when you have a real UNIX? nobody knows what pcbsd is. I'm with awyeah. Linux is simpler on the desktop/laptop than BSD. pcbsd = freebsd + some good desktop stuff nice installer, etc lots of pre-installed goodness *BSD sucks on laptops. think of it as the ubuntu of BSDs Arch Linux, linux with bsd style init and a ports like system Wraithan: Arch ++ awyeah: you've got it backwards; laptops suck, and bsd is awesome It's a huge pain in the ass to get it to work well. And forget about battery life ;) BSD rocks on the server side, given the choice I wouldn't use anything else. are you sure? have you tried recent BSDs? batteries are for suckers "would you rather have a battery life or a real life?" I keep meaning to install FreeBSD and use clang to compile it all RandalSchwartz: exactly a gpl-less existence sounds sexy i want my ps3 controller to have long battery life so that i can have no real life if it doesn't run bsd well, it sucks, LOL up_the_irons: what is a real life? Wraithan: they don't make it anymore having said that - I'm trading my 2-hour late 2007 MBP for a 6-8 hour new MBP very soon up_the_irons: ah ok Wraithan: Are you on acid? as soon as I can afford it he's on *battery* acid :) I actually laughed irl *glug glug glug* mmm is ipv6 supported inside jails? if so, how do I assign an address to a jail? "We do believe whatever routing issues appeared earlier this afternoon have cleared." -- PacketExchange. They want me to turn up the session again. hold onto your seats Anyway, just about everything worked really well on this machine out of the box without having to f*ck with it hahaha. "We believe" cedwards: in rc.conf, or in the jail's conf if you're using ezjails be sure you get a full day's credit i'm just kidding, i think ubuntu is great fink: do you have an example of the syntax for ezjail? cedwards: well, no i've never using ipv6 with jails :( sorry but it should be the same as with ipv4 you have to manually modify the ezjail conf for the jail if you want multiple ips for the jail anwyay ah, mzima's route to google works again or google works again hah routes to abovenet work again amdprophet: how's your connectivity? up_the_irons: seems to be working great, thanks! :) amdprophet: can you pastie a traceroute? sure http://pastie.org/975489 amdprophet: great thanks, rockin yea :) RandalSchwartz: is there any reason to request a /48 over a /64? don't they both have a ridiculously high amount of available ips? like /48 is pretty much pointless is it? amdprophet: if you want more than 1 subnet, you'll want a /48 amdprophet: /64 is for one and only one subnet amdprophet: which is kinda limiting :) yea definitely, alright cool all "sites" should get a /48, to be divided up within different subnets / vlans within that site you can have different "sites" geographically, even a block down the road i need to buy myself a vlannable switch amdprophet: low end: cisco 2924XL are like $20 on ebay now ;) and little higher end: cisco 2950 w/ EMI is like $150 do they support ipv6 for vlans? well, vlan and ipv6 are on different layers yea, but don't you have to assign an ip to each vlan? it's been like 6 years since i've worked with the cisco ios you can run ipv6 on top of vlans, no problem amdprophet: ah, you are then thinking of more than just a switch you want a router or "multilayer switch"; a lot more expensive shoot you're right i was thinking of router-on-a-stick if you don't have super high traffic req. i would just use a PC-based router (pop on FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Linux, w/e) and then a layer-2 vlan switch connected to it yea i'm using that rackmount atom 330 box i showed you before with openbsd, it's great run whatever you like on the router (quagga, openbgpd, etc...) amdprophet: oh nice! yeah, i have openbsd on it too the perfect combo super easy to do vlans on openbsd $ cat hostname.vlan160 inet6 2607:f2f8:XXXX::1 48 vlandev em0 for example awesome! ... ipv6_ifconfig_em0=2607:f2f8:3080::/48 in my /etc/rc.conf which is why my box is actually ::0 :) but hey, why waste an address? it's ::1 for the router, and ::0 for... *me* ... gawd I hate it when people do that either talk, or be quiet. stop wasting a line it provides *zero info* to us except "hey look at me I'm so vain I need to let you know I'm still here" RandalSchwartz: i feel the same way I know it came from gaming but it has no more place on IRC than SMS speak does "..." came from gaming? that's what I'm told i c "if you're being charged by the character for IRC, sucks to be 'u'" i miss mIRC and it's troutness how did ORL get ahead of BOS? did they bench all the good players just to save them for Q4? haha thanks RandalSchwartz no more phishing! Hmm. overdue update to emacs, apache, and postgresql feh gotta wait for a downtime window cool! i think i need to set up dns forwarding for ipv6 in my dns server now just make a local caching server then both v6 and v4 will connect locally and then use v6 or v4 outbound to do the right thing i use a local caching name server on my laptop just unbound works great queries are super fast i love finding a company like this and then blocking their whole /22 in my new postfix setup -- http://edithroman.com/ "a premier mailing list supplier" hahaha nice so I think I've configured bind to listen on ipv6, but I'm unsure how to actually query over ipv6. I know how to query for an ipv6 record (AAAA), but not how to query over. google? I've tried dig -6.. maybe I screwed up the syntax. host ipv6.google.com ::1 that'll open localhost va ipv6 and then look for ipv6.google.com with that yay for ipv6 that works, but trying to query at my actual ipv6 address doesn't. it's probably not listening on the public address I don't have any AAAA records populated yet, but I figured I could query for an A record over ipv6. you generally have to add that use netstat -an | grep 53 [root@bubbles ~]# sockstat -6 USER COMMAND PID FD PROTO LOCAL ADDRESS FOREIGN ADDRESS bind named 12732 20 tcp6 2607:f2f8:46c0::30:53 *:* so that should be listening try that host ipv6.google.com 2607:... that gives me refused. then you've got some sort of permission error bind? you have to permit public addressses to use you if I query for something within my zone file it just times out.. otherwise, they don't work but localhost always works allow query any on my external view.. any includes ipv6? Hmm. I don't see what I did for this but I think mine works looking in named.conf so you have listen-on and listen-on-v6 ? listen-on-v6 { 2607:f2f8:46c0::30; }; my internal view is just a forward only, allowed only from myself. my external view handles all my domains (slave) and is open to !localnets, !localhost, any. maybe that's part of my problem.. multiple view permissions can get hairy hmmm I've even added 'allow query { ::; }' and I still can't query but if I add an address explicitly (my second vps), queries respond as expected.