#arpnetworks 2010-05-24,Mon

dxtr

You know that project report I had to make?

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dxtr

The other day

RandalSchwartz

I don't recall
"project report" isn't ringing a bell
maybe you used different words

[09:15]

dxtr

Oh yeah
You know the log book?
That was part of a report to my school project

[09:15]

RandalSchwartz

again... not recalling "log book"
maybe you used different words there. :)
or maybe you were talking when I wasn't reading the channel

[09:16]

dxtr

Yeah, Maybe I did

[09:16]

RandalSchwartz

i stay camped here, but I never read the scrollback
so if I'm not actually responding, I am probably not seeing it

[09:16]

dxtr

But anyway, got an A on a 13 page report I did in a couple of hours

[09:17]

RandalSchwartz

cool

[09:17]

dxtr

I made the report about a project that took a couple of hours but wasn't allowed to take less than 100

[09:17]

............................ (idle for 2h18mn)

I wonder how come I always get an A when I throw together stuff last-minute but when I actually do it right I get something lower
Am I really that bad?

[11:35]

RandalSchwartz

you're gonna be in for a bigger shock in the real world :)
RandalSchwartz wanders off

[11:41]

dxtr

hehe

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awyeah

weird. I can't seem to get to google from my VPS?
but others work.

[13:12]

RandalSchwartz

do you have firewalls in place?
is your rDNS correct?
are you trying ping or something else?

[13:13]

awyeah

telnet www.google.com 80
times out.
And no pf rules that would filter outbound packets.

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RandalSchwartz

host www.google.com works?

amdprophet

up_the_irons: any known issues atm?

RandalSchwartz

what about rDNS

awyeah

Yeah I can resolve it.

[13:17]

up_the_irons

no known issues

amdprophet

i can't get to arpnetworks.com or any of our servers, same with everyone else here :(

up_the_irons

google may be having problems:

RandalSchwartz

up_the_irons

$ traceroute www.google.com
traceroute: Warning: www.google.com has multiple addresses; using 72.14.213.103
traceroute to www.l.google.com (72.14.213.103), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 s1.lax.arpnetworks.com (208.79.88.1) 0.898 ms 0.773 ms 2.237 ms

amdprophet

oooh dns related?

up_the_irons

2 ge0-15.as01.lax07.mzima.net (67.199.135.101) 7.667 ms 0.463 ms 0.447 ms
3 google.com.any2ix.coresite.com (206.223.143.41) 0.454 ms core1-0-1-0.lax.net.google.com (198.32.146.46) 0.511 ms google.com.any2ix.coresite.com (206.223.143.41) 0.544 ms
4 216.239.43.14 (216.239.43.14) 0.701 ms 0.692 ms 0.658 ms

RandalSchwartz

not dns related

up_the_irons

5 * *

RandalSchwartz

just getting there

up_the_irons

it hits google over Any2 IX, then stops

amdprophet

eeks, alright

up_the_irons

amdprophet: you'll need to provide a traceroute
amdprophet: but in the end, probably not much i can do. if some network between you and me is having problems, I have to wait for them to fix it

RandalSchwartz

works fine from oversee just down the street
to google that is

amdprophet

yea i understand

[13:20]

RandalSchwartz

but not hitting any2ix

[13:20]

up_the_irons

it appears google just came back

[13:20]

RandalSchwartz

ping6 ipv6.google.com works
but not ping www.google.com

awyeah

heh

RandalSchwartz

so just use ipv6 for a bit
damn ipv4

amdprophet

http://pastie.org/975124

RandalSchwartz

already running out of bits, it seems :)

amdprophet

up_the_irons: i'm getting stopped at xe2-0.cr01.sjc01.mzima.net

[13:25]

RandalSchwartz

route flappage at the third hop
that's never good
route flappage indicates some routing issues
and it's outside ARP, so you'll just have to wiat
wait even
probably getting split route coming back
so not able to roundtrip

[13:25]

up_the_irons

yeah

[13:26]

RandalSchwartz

not my first network :)

[13:26]

up_the_irons

[13:27]

RandalSchwartz

I managed the second 56k line into intel.com in 1989
we had an entirely different net number just so that we didn't need to figure out how to deal with two internet routes. :)
in 1992, intel was compiling pieces from 25 divisions to create a massive 70k-line /etc/hosts file for the company
updating it 3 times a day
I guess they weren't comfortable with DNS yet. :)
one entire division's hosts were rejected from insertion... they had used underscore in the host names
I said "that won't go into dns, so it doesn't go into /etc/hosts here either"
they said "can you fix dns please?" :)
apparently the idea of world wide didn't occur to them

[13:27]

amdprophet

so is the issue a problem with mzima's routes? i was able to get a bit further this time

[13:33]

up_the_irons

amdprophet: I just sent a support req to Mzima, and I'll report when I know more

[13:37]

amdprophet

thanks :)

[13:37]

up_the_irons

[13:38]

amdprophet

how's the ps3?

[13:38]

up_the_irons

amdprophet: sucking my productivity dry

[13:39]

amdprophet

haha

[13:39]

jdoe

haha.

[13:39]

amdprophet

i can relate, if video games didn't exist i would have had all of my projects done 2 years ago

[13:40]

up_the_irons

my COD: MW2 "you-have-no-life-o-meter" reads like 2d 11h. I think you know which meter I'm talking about

[13:44]

amdprophet

i think i was up to like 30d or something lol
was really addicted

up_the_irons

amdprophet: OMG i feel so much better

amdprophet

haha

up_the_irons

"At least I don't have 30d like amdprophet" is what I'll keep telling myself

amdprophet

write it on a sticky note, "At least I'm not as bad as amdprophet"

[13:49]

up_the_irons

up_the_irons sticks it to his monitor

[13:49]

amdprophet

i tell myself i'm not as bad as my friend, he's got like 20,000 hours in WoW

[13:50]

up_the_irons

jesus
amdprophet: is he really fucking good?

[13:53]

amdprophet

i'm probably exaggerating a bit but it's definitely in the thousands of hours
i don't think he's that good, no, he just does a lot of raids

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[13:57]

dxtr

up_the_irons: What does his sexual skill have to do anything with wow? ;)

[14:09]

amdprophet

LOL

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[14:20]

up_the_irons

dxtr: I think sexual skill and video games skill may have an inverse relationship

[14:25]

dxtr

True

[14:25]

blovett

up_the_irons, noticed any issues getting to google from your network?
route through mzima seems busted.

[14:25]

up_the_irons

blovett: yes, I have
it's not mzima, it gets through to Any2
216.239.43.12 <-- works
216.239.43.14 <-- dies

[14:26]

blovett

ah, well yeah.

[14:26]

dxtr

blovett: ipv6.google.com? :D

[14:26]

blovett

I have end users complaining. :(

dxtr

"STFU AND USE IPV6!"

up_the_irons

blovett: 216.239.43.14 is google so they have a broken "something"

blovett

yeah, I see this.
thankfully this is why we have multiple paths.
*sigh*

up_the_irons

but if whatever makes the decisions on their end puts you to .12, it works

[14:28]

dxtr

up_the_irons: gimme a job!

[14:29]

blovett

up_the_irons, so. I'm looking at finally ditching my colo and getting another vps. what would it cost for additional disk space? I'm only thinking going from 40 -> 60GB.
but don't need the additional RAM.. Unless it would cost the same as the vps with 2GB, in which case. :)

[14:33]

up_the_irons

blovett: send me an email at support@ and I'll get back to ya. I try not to "break up" the plans now, because it gets confusing having a lot of custom plans.

[14:38]

blovett

fair enough. I'll do that. thanks

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[14:56]

amdprophet

up_the_irons: any updates on that ticket?

[14:57]

up_the_irons

amdprophet: nothing yet, I sent them some more traceroutes from other networks. Can you PM me your phone number, Mzima wants to talk to someone on the Shaw network that is having problems.

amdprophet

sure, 778-829-3041

up_the_irons

OK, I'll forward this along, thanks

amdprophet

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[15:12]

Wraithan

server is responding REALLY SLOWLY
It keeps slowing down quite a bit

[15:13]

....... (idle for 30mn)

mardraum

well, at last I can connect via ipv6 :p

[15:44]

amdprophet

amdprophet waits for a phone call

[15:45]

dxtr

amdprophet: Meanwhile in the bat cave...

[15:52]

amdprophet

rofl
i just moved to the other room actually, the bat cave is too loud and hot
all those servers...

[15:52]

cedwards

server rooms make poor bat caves

[15:53]

RandalSchwartz

why are you waiting for a phone call>?

[15:53]

amdprophet

it's true

[15:53]

Wraithan

What's a phone call?
;)

[15:54]

amdprophet

RandalSchwartz: up_the_irons gave my phone # to mzima because there's a routing issue somewhere inbetween my isp and arpnetworks

[15:54]

RandalSchwartz

your isp is google?
can't get to www.google.com from arp either
it's not just your personal problem. :)
I presume there are already a dozen people pulling their hair out trying to solve this issue

[15:58]

AndrewBC

AndrewBC collects all the hair
I'll make millions! Mwahaha!

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RandalSchwartz

hair today, gone tomorrow

[16:01]

AndrewBC

heh

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[16:03]

dxtr

razorluv:
er, waT?
Accidentally, press r, "opps! better erase it", touch TAB for some reason, "Wtf?", miss backspace
Accidentally press r
I can't type nowadays.
I wonder if it's the stress from school messing with my head

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[16:04]

RandalSchwartz

Hmm. my connection from ARP to freenode just went bad

[16:05]

dxtr

My connection was laggy before
To freenode
Other than that I haven't noticed much

[16:05]

RandalSchwartz

I'd say there's some general routage issues today
I wonder if I can connect via v6

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cedwards

the tubes are clogged is all.

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RandalSchwartz

oh - looky there.
I can

up_the_irons

i'm always connect via v6

[16:07]

RandalSchwartz

... /server ipv6.chat.freenode.net
ahh verne is still in the US though.
-verne.freenode.net- Your host is verne.freenode.net[2001:19f0:feee::dead:beef:cafe/6667], running version ircd-seven-1.0.1
I like that... 'dead:beef:cafe"

[16:07]

up_the_irons

it's a popular one

[16:10]

RandalSchwartz

my WPA password is "adeadbeefbabe"
they said it needed to be 13 chars.
I thought they meant hex chars :)

[16:10]

dxtr

hehe

[16:11]

RandalSchwartz

but it's an easy one to remember
"burger girl" :)

[16:11]

amdprophet

RandalSchwartz: my isp is shaw, there's nothing inbetween my isp + mzima

[16:11]

RandalSchwartz

and that's also where google times out

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RandalSchwartz

so yeah, it's probably mzima

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amdprophet

amdprophet is the sads :(
need to get IPv6 running so i can contact it, any suggestions?

[16:13]

cedwards

I need to do the same.

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RandalSchwartz

"contat it"?
which "it"

[16:15]

up_the_irons

I hope this issue is not a sign of things to come, now that PacketExchange has bought Mzima. I'm working with this support engineer over there, and he keeps telling me he's unable to reproduce the problem. W.T.F.

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RandalSchwartz

what do you mean "get ipv6 running"
you have a /48 on your box already. :)

bob^^

ugh, packetexchange :/

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up_the_irons

when my contract is up, I should buy from Level3 directly
bob^^: you have experience with them?

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bob^^

only anecdotal up_the_irons

up_the_irons

bob^^: bad?

bob^^

from other ISPs here in the UK
not good

up_the_irons

oh shit

bob^^

cheap

up_the_irons

ugh

RandalSchwartz

they exchange working packets for dead ones. :)

bob^^

i had them described to me as 'cheap and cheerful'

RandalSchwartz

they send all the packets through Exchange. :)

bob^^

which i take to mean... 'poor service'

up_the_irons

Mzima was always very good, never had an issue; used them for almost 10 years

RandalSchwartz

IP-over-SMTP

bob^^

had good service from l3 and gblx though if that helps :)

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up_the_irons

bob^^: yeah i ran a gblx circuit once, was good
i should buy from l3 and gblx, bet that'd be a good mix

bob^^

dxtr

I don't know why I'm saying this here but apparently the province I live in has a name in english :P

bob^^

i can't really talk atm, my employer takes transit from only one supplier :/
which i find very disturbing indeed

up_the_irons

ouch

bob^^

http://www.robtex.com/as/as25178.html#graph
i've been jumping up and down to get l3 in as apparently they have presence near our core network now... so we should definitely be buying from them imho

up_the_irons

my graph is funny: http://www.robtex.com/as/as25795.html#graph

bob^^

transit from those guys is *very* good though, which helps

up_the_irons

yeah

bob^^

hehe
looks a lot more healthy than mine :)

up_the_irons

not right now
;)

[16:21]

bob^^

hehehe
hey up_the_irons - if you do speak to l3, i'd be interested to hear what they quote per mbit
for comparison to their UK charges

[16:21]

RandalSchwartz

up_the_irons - you're providing 6to4?
192.88.99 ?
or is that just because you're peering with others who do?

[16:25]

up_the_irons

RandalSchwartz: i was, but that router was taken offline when i decomissioned my Xen instances
it was just a linux + quagga setup, kinda stupid but it worked :)

[16:26]

RandalSchwartz

so traffic is heading towards you recklessly? :)
or does it just get bounced to the next guy somehow

[16:27]

amdprophet

is there something i can throw on my openbsd router to handle the routing of IPv6 traffic (over IPv4 on the WAN)?

[16:35]

dxtr

I use a tunnel broker for that
at home that is

[16:39]

RandalSchwartz

yes. you can get a free tunnel from he.net

[16:40]

dxtr

I use sixxs :)

RandalSchwartz

I'm using that with my Airport Extreme at hime
sixxs wasn't compatible with Airport Extreme
so I just cancelled mine with them

dxtr

Not sure how good he.nets routing is to Sweden :)

up_the_irons

amdprophet: just tunnel through your vps

RandalSchwartz

he.net is all over the world

dxtr

But sixxs works for me now

amdprophet

up_the_irons: can't get to my vps :p

up_the_irons

bah :(

dxtr

amdprophet: But yeah, try he.net or sixxs if you want ipv6 connectivity at home :)

RandalSchwartz

... http://tunnelbroker.net/

amdprophet

dxtr: any preference?

dxtr

I use sixxs, RandalSchwartz is using he.net
Both works so... Nah :)

RandalSchwartz

... (Fremont, CA; New York, NY; Dallas, TX; Chicago, IL; London, UK; Frankfurt, Germany; Paris, France; Amsterdam, NL; Miami, FL; Ashburn, VA; Seattle, WA; Los Angeles, CA; Hong Kong; Toronto, ON
are any of those near you? :)

dxtr

RandalSchwartz: Toronto, ON was the last one
So... No

amdprophet

seattle is
i'm about 3 hours from seattle

dxtr

Amsterdam, NL was the closest for me

RandalSchwartz

there ya go
select Amsterdam then

dxtr

amdprophet: I think he.net is better in the US

RandalSchwartz

I have a /48 at home thanks to he.net

dxtr

Because I don't think sixxs have that many nodes in the states
And half of them seem to be down

amdprophet

i'll try he

dxtr

I've got a /48 at home thanks to sixxs, RandalSchwartz ;)

RandalSchwartz

yeah - and sixxs requires a lot more work
as in, not compatible with Airport Extreme

dxtr

Actually I haven't done anything since I set it up

RandalSchwartz

all I had to do was type a few addresses into the confnig
with sixxs, I would have needed a machine dedicated to being the broker

dxtr

I'm using an openbsd router, RandalSchwartz :)

[16:45]

RandalSchwartz

Yeah, I don't have any home computers
just my laptops
and the tivo, and the ps3

[16:45]

dxtr

Hehe
I've got two laptops plus the router (An intel atom 330) plus two more laptops (Mom and dad) plus my brothers stationary
And my girlfriend brings her laptop here
So.. I've still got plenty of addresses

[16:45]

RandalSchwartz

I've gotten quite used to using Miredo (Mac Teredo) on my laptop as I travel now too
so I'm almost always hooked in to here via v6
even when in a v4-only internet cafe

[16:50]

up_the_irons

shutting down Mzima session; hold onto your seats

[16:50]

amdprophet

i lost my seat, what do i hold on to?

[16:51]

RandalSchwartz

RandalSchwartz grabs his seat
RandalSchwartz waits for the music to stop before grabbing a seat

[16:51]

amdprophet

RandalSchwartz: differences between a regular tunnel and a bgp tunnel?

up_the_irons

amdprophet: I can reach your IP now

amdprophet

:)
woot

up_the_irons

amdprophet: the Shaw one, that is

amdprophet

it works!

up_the_irons

fucking Mzima
err, Packet Exchange
the fix should not involve me turning off the circuit

RandalSchwartz

you need a bgp tunnel if you also ahve other ways to the internet
if you have only one way out, no need
you can simply take the default route approach

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amdprophet

thx

[16:54]

RandalSchwartz

or if you want to run more than one net behind your connection
you have to exchange "I have xyz, you have what?" handshaking if so

[16:54]

up_the_irons

amdprophet: I assume Mzima never called you?

[16:54]

RandalSchwartz

if you have only one net, they already know it, and they'll route to you for that, and you route to them for everything else

amdprophet

up_the_irons: you assume correctly :)

dxtr

How the hell do Teredo work?

up_the_irons

bah

dxtr

I never got that

RandalSchwartz

it works quite well!

amdprophet

up_the_irons: sounds like PacketExchange is going to be a fun time for you

RandalSchwartz

But it's meant for casual connections. if you're permanently wiring up 6 over 4, then you should use a broker like he.net
with teredo, you get an IPv6 depending on the nearest globally routed v4
so as I move around, I have different v6's on my laptop

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dxtr

right

[16:57]

RandalSchwartz

and I think there's randomizing... so if I'm off the net for a bit, I get a new v6
like right now, I'm 2001:0:4137:9e76:0:1ec7:33f2:5cdb
the "2001:0" is the clue that I'm Teredo
if you ever see that somewhere else, that's what it is
the last four bytes encode my ipv4 address

[16:58]

dxtr

[16:59]

RandalSchwartz

that's how the he.net machine (which happens to be the biggest teredo server as well) knows where to route my v4 packets

[16:59]

dxtr

But.. How do all routers know where to route the ipv6 packets?
Is it done over ipv4?

[16:59]

RandalSchwartz

yes
ipv4 to he.net, and they unwrap it and put it on v6
when it comes back, they wrap it back in v4, send it back

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dxtr

And how do the clients find the nearest teredo tunnel?

[17:00]

RandalSchwartz

they contact the One True Tunnel Broker
... teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com
of all things. :)

[17:01]

dxtr

Interesting

[17:01]

RandalSchwartz

The service is actually contracted out to (you guessed it) he.net :)
see.. he.net wants your ipv6 business
but this is how all Vista and windows 7 machines get "free" ipv6
they all have teredo on by default
and they contact the microsoft.com address to get routed

[17:01]

dxtr

I see

[17:02]

RandalSchwartz

the microsoft.com is just a NAT bridging solution... they figure out a nearby he.net machine based on your source IP, then get the two of you to talk to each other using NAT-traversal
works most of the time... can possibly fail if you're double-NATted
anyway, I just have a Miredo prefpane that I leave enabled
within about 5 seconds of me getting an ipv4, I also have an ipv6

[17:04]

dxtr

you just exponentially increased my understanding of Teredo
I've read some about Teredo before but never gotten it. But they seem to have improved the wikipedia article now :)

[17:05]

RandalSchwartz

well, remember "1/2" is an exponent. :)

[17:06]

dxtr

Funny guy :P

[17:07]

RandalSchwartz

that's why I like people saying "for a fraction of the cost" without realzing that "3/2" is a fraction :)

[17:08]

dxtr

"So it's only -50% cheaper?"

[17:09]

RandalSchwartz

"no that's 50% less off!"

[17:11]

infrared_

hah
omgosh my nick!

RandalSchwartz

"wait... are you saying '50% less' or '50% off'?"
"that's right, I'm saying 50% less off!"

dxtr

RandalSchwartz

your nick?
is he here? :)

infrared_

I've been "underscored"

dxtr

You know what I just realized, RandalSchwartz?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Root_graphs.svg <- It looks like an onion

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infrared

yay

RandalSchwartz

onions are roots, yes

infrared

onions are like my ex
or, my ex is like an onion

dxtr

She's a vegetable?

infrared

i wish she was

RandalSchwartz

no. onions are fruits.

infrared

onion is a fruit?
but they smell like shit

dxtr

RandalSchwartz: I have them in a salad and on burgers therefore they are vegetables

... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato#Fruit_or_vegetable.3F

RandalSchwartz

you never have tomatoes or fruit salad? :)

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dxtr

I roast them and have them on my hot dogs - therefore they are vegetables!
What are you saying? That you have onions in your fruit salad?

[17:15]

fink

dxtr: science?

[17:15]

RandalSchwartz

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dxtr

fink: They are vegetables too

[17:16]

fink

dxtr: yes, i know
RandalSchwartz: i think onions are veggies

[17:16]

RandalSchwartz

I know. I was kidding.
aiming for "50% more less knowledge"

[17:17]

dxtr

fink: Not many know that sciences are vegetables

[17:18]

fink

dxtr: err…

[17:19]

dxtr

I'm just tired ;)
Hmm... water and ice cream perhaps

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RandalSchwartz

RandalSchwartz wanders off to happy hour

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dxtr

yummy
sandwiches

[17:32]

RandalSchwartz

a soup and half salad combo
see - now my v6 is 2001:0:4137:9e76:0:1f21:b4cd:9c23

[17:34]

awyeah

woot, got Linux up and running on my work laptop.
I gotta say. For a desktop OS, Ubuntu really got it right.

[17:35]

RandalSchwartz

linux feh
yeah, ubuntu's not bad
except that it's linux :)
freebsd will run linux binaries just fine
no emulation needed
then you get all of linux plus all of a good OS

[17:35]

up_the_irons

but it passes the girlfriend test
you can install it for your girlfriend and she can use it
that's a good desktop OS

fink

silly linux

RandalSchwartz

pcbsd works for that
freebsd with a user-friendly skin

awyeah

have you ever tried to get a good solid desktop OS running on a laptop with wifi and soft volume controls and all that stuff?
on BSD?
it's a painin the ass, even pcbsd.

dxtr

RandalSchwartz: Any disk encryption in pcbsd?

fink

who needs a gf when you have a real UNIX?
nobody knows what pcbsd is.

cedwards

I'm with awyeah. Linux is simpler on the desktop/laptop than BSD.

RandalSchwartz

pcbsd = freebsd + some good desktop stuff
nice installer, etc
lots of pre-installed goodness

awyeah

*BSD sucks on laptops.

RandalSchwartz

think of it as the ubuntu of BSDs

Wraithan

Arch Linux, linux with bsd style init and a ports like system

cedwards

Wraithan: Arch ++

fink

awyeah: you've got it backwards; laptops suck, and bsd is awesome

awyeah

It's a huge pain in the ass to get it to work well. And forget about battery life ;)
BSD rocks on the server side, given the choice I wouldn't use anything else.

RandalSchwartz

are you sure? have you tried recent BSDs?

dxtr

batteries are for suckers

Wraithan

Wraithan has never used BSD

RandalSchwartz

"would you rather have a battery life or a real life?"

Wraithan

I keep meaning to install FreeBSD and use clang to compile it all

dxtr

RandalSchwartz: exactly

Wraithan

a gpl-less existence sounds sexy

up_the_irons

i want my ps3 controller to have long battery life so that i can have no real life

fink

if it doesn't run bsd well, it sucks,

up_the_irons

LOL

Wraithan

up_the_irons: what is a real life?

up_the_irons

Wraithan: they don't make it anymore

RandalSchwartz

having said that - I'm trading my 2-hour late 2007 MBP for a 6-8 hour new MBP very soon

Wraithan

up_the_irons: ah ok

dxtr

Wraithan: Are you on acid?

RandalSchwartz

as soon as I can afford it
he's on *battery* acid :)

dxtr

I actually laughed irl

Wraithan

*glug glug glug* mmm

cedwards

is ipv6 supported inside jails? if so, how do I assign an address to a jail?

[17:42]

up_the_irons

"We do believe whatever routing issues appeared earlier this afternoon have cleared." -- PacketExchange. They want me to turn up the session again.
hold onto your seats

[17:42]

awyeah

Anyway, just about everything worked really well on this machine out of the box without having to f*ck with it
hahaha. "We believe"

fink

cedwards: in rc.conf, or in the jail's conf if you're using ezjails

RandalSchwartz

be sure you get a full day's credit

fink

i'm just kidding, i think ubuntu is great

cedwards

fink: do you have an example of the syntax for ezjail?

fink

cedwards: well, no i've never using ipv6 with jails :( sorry
but it should be the same as with ipv4
you have to manually modify the ezjail conf for the jail if you want multiple ips for the jail anwyay

[17:44]

up_the_irons

ah, mzima's route to google works again
or google works again
hah
routes to abovenet work again
amdprophet: how's your connectivity?

[17:45]

amdprophet

up_the_irons: seems to be working great, thanks! :)

[17:46]

up_the_irons

amdprophet: can you pastie a traceroute?

[17:46]

amdprophet

sure

http://pastie.org/975489

[17:46]

up_the_irons

amdprophet: great thanks, rockin

[17:47]

amdprophet

yea :)
RandalSchwartz: is there any reason to request a /48 over a /64? don't they both have a ridiculously high amount of available ips?
like /48 is pretty much pointless is it?

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up_the_irons

amdprophet: if you want more than 1 subnet, you'll want a /48
amdprophet: /64 is for one and only one subnet
amdprophet: which is kinda limiting :)

[17:53]

amdprophet

yea definitely, alright cool

[17:54]

up_the_irons

all "sites" should get a /48, to be divided up within different subnets / vlans within that site
you can have different "sites" geographically, even a block down the road

[17:54]

amdprophet

i need to buy myself a vlannable switch

[17:55]

up_the_irons

amdprophet: low end: cisco 2924XL are like $20 on ebay now ;)
and little higher end: cisco 2950 w/ EMI is like $150

[17:56]

amdprophet

do they support ipv6 for vlans?

up_the_irons

well, vlan and ipv6 are on different layers

amdprophet

yea, but don't you have to assign an ip to each vlan?
it's been like 6 years since i've worked with the cisco ios

up_the_irons

you can run ipv6 on top of vlans, no problem
amdprophet: ah, you are then thinking of more than just a switch
you want a router or "multilayer switch"; a lot more expensive

amdprophet

shoot you're right
i was thinking of router-on-a-stick

[17:58]

up_the_irons

if you don't have super high traffic req. i would just use a PC-based router (pop on FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Linux, w/e)
and then a layer-2 vlan switch connected to it

[17:58]

amdprophet

yea i'm using that rackmount atom 330 box i showed you before
with openbsd, it's great

up_the_irons

run whatever you like on the router (quagga, openbgpd, etc...)
amdprophet: oh nice! yeah, i have openbsd on it too

amdprophet

the perfect combo

up_the_irons

super easy to do vlans on openbsd
$ cat hostname.vlan160
inet6 2607:f2f8:XXXX::1 48 vlandev em0
for example

amdprophet

awesome!

[18:01]

RandalSchwartz

... ipv6_ifconfig_em0=2607:f2f8:3080::/48
in my /etc/rc.conf
which is why my box is actually ::0 :)
but hey, why waste an address?
it's ::1 for the router, and ::0 for... *me*

[18:01]

awyeah

...

[18:11]

RandalSchwartz

gawd I hate it when people do that
either talk, or be quiet. stop wasting a line
it provides *zero info* to us
except "hey look at me I'm so vain I need to let you know I'm still here"

[18:11]

amdprophet

RandalSchwartz: i feel the same way

RandalSchwartz

I know it came from gaming
but it has no more place on IRC than SMS speak does

up_the_irons

"..." came from gaming?

RandalSchwartz

that's what I'm told

up_the_irons

i c

RandalSchwartz

RandalSchwartz whacks up_the_irons

up_the_irons

up_the_irons rubs his head

amdprophet

amdprophet whacks up_the_irons with a large trout

RandalSchwartz

"if you're being charged by the character for IRC, sucks to be 'u'"

amdprophet

i miss mIRC and it's troutness

[18:14]

RandalSchwartz

how did ORL get ahead of BOS?
did they bench all the good players just to save them for Q4?

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AndrewBC

AndrewBC slaps amdprophet around a bit with a large trout

[18:15]

amdprophet

haha

[18:15]

RandalSchwartz

RandalSchwartz hands out anti-trout devices to the entire channel

[18:15]

amdprophet

thanks RandalSchwartz

[18:19]

RandalSchwartz

no more phishing!
RandalSchwartz portsnaps his two servers
Hmm. overdue update to emacs, apache, and postgresql
feh
gotta wait for a downtime window

[18:19]

amdprophet

amdprophet is trying to set up tunnelbroker with he now

[18:24]

RandalSchwartz

cool!

[18:25]

amdprophet

i think i need to set up dns forwarding for ipv6 in my dns server now

[18:25]

RandalSchwartz

just make a local caching server
then both v6 and v4 will connect locally
and then use v6 or v4 outbound to do the right thing

[18:27]

up_the_irons

i use a local caching name server on my laptop
just unbound
works great
queries are super fast

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up_the_irons

i love finding a company like this and then blocking their whole /22 in my new postfix setup -- http://edithroman.com/
"a premier mailing list supplier"

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awyeah

hahaha

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cedwards

nice
so I think I've configured bind to listen on ipv6, but I'm unsure how to actually query over ipv6.
I know how to query for an ipv6 record (AAAA), but not how to query over.

[19:32]

infrared

google?

[19:33]

cedwards

I've tried dig -6.. maybe I screwed up the syntax.

[19:34]

RandalSchwartz

host ipv6.google.com ::1
that'll open localhost va ipv6
and then look for ipv6.google.com with that

[19:36]

awyeah

yay for ipv6

[19:37]

cedwards

that works, but trying to query at my actual ipv6 address doesn't.

[19:37]

RandalSchwartz

it's probably not listening on the public address

cedwards

I don't have any AAAA records populated yet, but I figured I could query for an A record over ipv6.

RandalSchwartz

you generally have to add that
use netstat -an | grep 53

cedwards

[root@bubbles ~]# sockstat -6
USER COMMAND PID FD PROTO LOCAL ADDRESS FOREIGN ADDRESS
bind named 12732 20 tcp6 2607:f2f8:46c0::30:53 *:*