[00:26] *** nerdd_ has joined #arpnetworks [00:28] *** nerdd has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [01:07] *** LT has joined #arpnetworks [01:55] Why isn't http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3514 used? [02:03] lol [02:05] Things like that have to be a standard before they even would work [02:06] pretty difficult to convince people to go out of their way to implement something when 1 large entity choosing not to makes the whole thing useless [02:14] Ofcourse http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5841 could be used instead [02:14] With the "evil" flag set [02:29] lol [03:49] Err.. HOw come nickcolor.pl doesn't work in irssi? :( [03:57] it does? [03:57] i've not used it for years, but it certainly used to [03:57] http://scripts.irssi.org/html/nickcolor.pl.html [03:58] Well for me it doesn't [03:58] :( [03:58] :( [05:03] *** infrared has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [05:05] *** infrared_ has joined #arpnetworks [05:08] *** razorluv has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [05:08] *** koan has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [05:08] *** mick_laptop has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [05:10] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [05:10] *** razorluv has joined #arpnetworks [05:10] *** koan has joined #arpnetworks [05:10] *** mick_laptop has joined #arpnetworks [05:31] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [05:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [05:41] *** nesta has joined #arpnetworks [05:44] *** hsbt has quit IRC (Quit: Tiarra 0.1: SIGTERM received; exit) [05:44] *** hsbt has joined #arpnetworks [05:44] *** hsbt has quit IRC (Client Quit) [05:45] *** hsbt has joined #arpnetworks [06:03] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [08:25] *** gmcintire has joined #arpnetworks [08:25] *** gmcintire has quit IRC (Client Quit) [09:03] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [09:12] Hey, RandalSchwartz [09:13] hey dtr [09:13] dxtr even [09:13] You know that project report I had to make? [09:13] *** LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [09:13] The other day [09:15] I don't recall [09:15] "project report" isn't ringing a bell [09:15] maybe you used different words [09:15] Oh yeah [09:15] You know the log book? [09:15] That was part of a report to my school project [09:16] again... not recalling "log book" [09:16] maybe you used different words there. :) [09:16] or maybe you were talking when I wasn't reading the channel [09:16] Yeah, Maybe I did [09:16] i stay camped here, but I never read the scrollback [09:17] so if I'm not actually responding, I am probably not seeing it [09:17] But anyway, got an A on a 13 page report I did in a couple of hours [09:17] cool [09:17] I made the report about a project that took a couple of hours but wasn't allowed to take less than 100 [11:35] I wonder how come I always get an A when I throw together stuff last-minute but when I actually do it right I get something lower [11:35] Am I really that bad? [11:41] you're gonna be in for a bigger shock in the real world :) [11:41] * RandalSchwartz wanders off [11:42] hehe [12:58] *** mhoran[j1aReZ] has joined #arpnetworks [12:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mhoran[j1aReZ] [12:59] *** koan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [12:59] *** koan has joined #arpnetworks [12:59] *** mhoran[jUaReZ] has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [12:59] *** mick_laptop has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [12:59] *** mick_laptop has joined #arpnetworks [13:12] weird. I can't seem to get to google from my VPS? [13:12] but others work. [13:13] do you have firewalls in place? [13:14] is your rDNS correct? [13:14] are you trying ping or something else? [13:16] telnet www.google.com 80 [13:16] times out. [13:16] And no pf rules that would filter outbound packets. [13:16] *** amdprophet has joined #arpnetworks [13:16] host www.google.com works? [13:16] up_the_irons: any known issues atm? [13:16] what about rDNS [13:17] Yeah I can resolve it. [13:18] no known issues [13:18] i can't get to arpnetworks.com or any of our servers, same with everyone else here :( [13:18] google may be having problems: [13:18] n [13:18] $ traceroute www.google.com [13:18] traceroute: Warning: www.google.com has multiple addresses; using 72.14.213.103 [13:18] traceroute to www.l.google.com (72.14.213.103), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets [13:18] 1 s1.lax.arpnetworks.com (208.79.88.1) 0.898 ms 0.773 ms 2.237 ms [13:18] oooh dns related? [13:18] 2 ge0-15.as01.lax07.mzima.net (67.199.135.101) 7.667 ms 0.463 ms 0.447 ms [13:18] 3 google.com.any2ix.coresite.com (206.223.143.41) 0.454 ms core1-0-1-0.lax.net.google.com (198.32.146.46) 0.511 ms google.com.any2ix.coresite.com (206.223.143.41) 0.544 ms [13:18] 4 216.239.43.14 (216.239.43.14) 0.701 ms 0.692 ms 0.658 ms [13:18] not dns related [13:18] 5 * * [13:18] just getting there [13:19] it hits google over Any2 IX, then stops [13:19] eeks, alright [13:19] amdprophet: you'll need to provide a traceroute [13:19] amdprophet: but in the end, probably not much i can do. if some network between you and me is having problems, I have to wait for them to fix it [13:19] works fine from oversee just down the street [13:20] to google that is [13:20] yea i understand [13:20] but not hitting any2ix [13:20] it appears google just came back [13:21] ping6 ipv6.google.com works [13:21] but not ping www.google.com [13:21] heh [13:21] so just use ipv6 for a bit [13:21] damn ipv4 [13:21] http://pastie.org/975124 [13:21] already running out of bits, it seems :) [13:25] up_the_irons: i'm getting stopped at xe2-0.cr01.sjc01.mzima.net [13:25] route flappage at the third hop [13:25] that's never good [13:25] route flappage indicates some routing issues [13:25] and it's outside ARP, so you'll just have to wiat [13:25] wait even [13:26] probably getting split route coming back [13:26] so not able to roundtrip [13:26] yeah [13:26] not my first network :) [13:27] :) [13:27] I managed the second 56k line into intel.com in 1989 [13:27] we had an entirely different net number just so that we didn't need to figure out how to deal with two internet routes. :) [13:28] in 1992, intel was compiling pieces from 25 divisions to create a massive 70k-line /etc/hosts file for the company [13:28] updating it 3 times a day [13:29] I guess they weren't comfortable with DNS yet. :) [13:29] one entire division's hosts were rejected from insertion... they had used underscore in the host names [13:29] I said "that won't go into dns, so it doesn't go into /etc/hosts here either" [13:30] they said "can you fix dns please?" :) [13:30] apparently the idea of world wide didn't occur to them [13:33] so is the issue a problem with mzima's routes? i was able to get a bit further this time [13:37] amdprophet: I just sent a support req to Mzima, and I'll report when I know more [13:37] thanks :) [13:38] np [13:38] how's the ps3? [13:39] amdprophet: sucking my productivity dry [13:39] haha [13:39] haha. [13:40] i can relate, if video games didn't exist i would have had all of my projects done 2 years ago [13:44] my COD: MW2 "you-have-no-life-o-meter" reads like 2d 11h. I think you know which meter I'm talking about [13:48] i think i was up to like 30d or something lol [13:48] was really addicted [13:48] amdprophet: OMG i feel so much better [13:48] haha [13:48] "At least I don't have 30d like amdprophet" is what I'll keep telling myself [13:49] write it on a sticky note, "At least I'm not as bad as amdprophet" [13:49] * up_the_irons sticks it to his monitor [13:50] i tell myself i'm not as bad as my friend, he's got like 20,000 hours in WoW [13:53] jesus [13:53] amdprophet: is he really fucking good? [13:53] i'm probably exaggerating a bit but it's definitely in the thousands of hours [13:54] i don't think he's that good, no, he just does a lot of raids [13:57] *** mhoran[j1aReZ] is now known as mhoran [14:09] up_the_irons: What does his sexual skill have to do anything with wow? ;) [14:12] LOL [14:20] *** Wraithan has joined #arpnetworks [14:25] dxtr: I think sexual skill and video games skill may have an inverse relationship [14:25] True [14:25] up_the_irons, noticed any issues getting to google from your network? [14:25] route through mzima seems busted. [14:26] blovett: yes, I have [14:26] it's not mzima, it gets through to Any2 [14:26] 216.239.43.12 <-- works [14:26] 216.239.43.14 <-- dies [14:26] ah, well yeah. [14:26] blovett: ipv6.google.com? :D [14:27] I have end users complaining. :( [14:27] "STFU AND USE IPV6!" [14:27] blovett: 216.239.43.14 is google so they have a broken "something" [14:27] yeah, I see this. [14:27] thankfully this is why we have multiple paths. [14:28] *sigh* [14:28] but if whatever makes the decisions on their end puts you to .12, it works [14:29] up_the_irons: gimme a job! [14:33] up_the_irons, so. I'm looking at finally ditching my colo and getting another vps. what would it cost for additional disk space? I'm only thinking going from 40 -> 60GB. [14:34] but don't need the additional RAM.. Unless it would cost the same as the vps with 2GB, in which case. :) [14:38] blovett: send me an email at support@ and I'll get back to ya. I try not to "break up" the plans now, because it gets confusing having a lot of custom plans. [14:44] fair enough. I'll do that. thanks [14:47] *** mardraum has joined #arpnetworks [14:50] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [14:50] *** vtoms has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [14:51] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [14:56] *** Nat_UB has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [14:57] up_the_irons: any updates on that ticket? [14:59] amdprophet: nothing yet, I sent them some more traceroutes from other networks. Can you PM me your phone number, Mzima wants to talk to someone on the Shaw network that is having problems. [14:59] sure, 778-829-3041 [14:59] OK, I'll forward this along, thanks [14:59] np [15:00] *** vtoms has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [15:12] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:13] server is responding REALLY SLOWLY [15:14] It keeps slowing down quite a bit [15:44] well, at last I can connect via ipv6 :p [15:45] * amdprophet waits for a phone call [15:52] amdprophet: Meanwhile in the bat cave... [15:52] rofl [15:52] i just moved to the other room actually, the bat cave is too loud and hot [15:52] all those servers... [15:53] server rooms make poor bat caves [15:53] why are you waiting for a phone call>? [15:53] it's true [15:54] What's a phone call? [15:54] ;) [15:54] RandalSchwartz: up_the_irons gave my phone # to mzima because there's a routing issue somewhere inbetween my isp and arpnetworks [15:58] your isp is google? [15:59] can't get to www.google.com from arp either [15:59] it's not just your personal problem. :) [15:59] I presume there are already a dozen people pulling their hair out trying to solve this issue [16:00] * AndrewBC collects all the hair [16:00] I'll make millions! Mwahaha! [16:00] *** viq has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [16:01] hair today, gone tomorrow [16:01] heh [16:03] *** RandalSchwartz has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [16:03] razorluv: [16:03] er, waT? [16:03] Accidentally, press r, "opps! better erase it", touch TAB for some reason, "Wtf?", miss backspace [16:04] Accidentally press r [16:04] I can't type nowadays. [16:04] I wonder if it's the stress from school messing with my head [16:04] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks [16:04] *** RandalSchwartz has quit IRC (Changing host) [16:04] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks [16:05] Hmm. my connection from ARP to freenode just went bad [16:05] My connection was laggy before [16:05] To freenode [16:05] Other than that I haven't noticed much [16:06] I'd say there's some general routage issues today [16:06] I wonder if I can connect via v6 [16:06] *** RandalSchwartz has quit IRC (Client Quit) [16:06] the tubes are clogged is all. [16:06] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks [16:06] *** RandalSchwartz has quit IRC (Changing host) [16:06] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks [16:06] oh - looky there. [16:07] I can [16:07] i'm always connect via v6 [16:07] ... /server ipv6.chat.freenode.net [16:09] ahh verne is still in the US though. [16:09] -verne.freenode.net- Your host is verne.freenode.net[2001:19f0:feee::dead:beef:cafe/6667], running version ircd-seven-1.0.1 [16:10] I like that... 'dead:beef:cafe" [16:10] it's a popular one [16:10] my WPA password is "adeadbeefbabe" [16:10] they said it needed to be 13 chars. [16:10] I thought they meant hex chars :) [16:11] hehe [16:11] but it's an easy one to remember [16:11] "burger girl" :) [16:11] RandalSchwartz: my isp is shaw, there's nothing inbetween my isp + mzima [16:12] and that's also where google times out [16:12] *** viq has joined #arpnetworks [16:12] so yeah, it's probably mzima [16:12] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [16:13] * amdprophet is the sads :( [16:13] need to get IPv6 running so i can contact it, any suggestions? [16:13] I need to do the same. [16:14] *** cedwards has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [16:15] *** koan_ has joined #arpnetworks [16:15] *** LucasWil1ox has joined #arpnetworks [16:15] "contat it"? [16:15] which "it" [16:16] I hope this issue is not a sign of things to come, now that PacketExchange has bought Mzima. I'm working with this support engineer over there, and he keeps telling me he's unable to reproduce the problem. W.T.F. [16:16] *** hsbt has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [16:16] *** koan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [16:16] what do you mean "get ipv6 running" [16:16] you have a /48 on your box already. :) [16:16] ugh, packetexchange :/ [16:17] *** LucasWilcox has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [16:17] *** Brucelee has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [16:17] when my contract is up, I should buy from Level3 directly [16:17] bob^^: you have experience with them? [16:17] *** Brucelee has joined #arpnetworks [16:17] only anecdotal up_the_irons [16:17] bob^^: bad? [16:17] from other ISPs here in the UK [16:17] not good [16:17] oh shit [16:17] cheap [16:17] ugh [16:17] they exchange working packets for dead ones. :) [16:17] i had them described to me as 'cheap and cheerful' [16:17] they send all the packets through Exchange. :) [16:18] which i take to mean... 'poor service' [16:18] Mzima was always very good, never had an issue; used them for almost 10 years [16:18] IP-over-SMTP [16:18] had good service from l3 and gblx though if that helps :) [16:18] *** hsbt has joined #arpnetworks [16:18] bob^^: yeah i ran a gblx circuit once, was good [16:18] i should buy from l3 and gblx, bet that'd be a good mix [16:19] :D [16:19] I don't know why I'm saying this here but apparently the province I live in has a name in english :P [16:19] i can't really talk atm, my employer takes transit from only one supplier :/ [16:19] which i find very disturbing indeed [16:19] ouch [16:19] http://www.robtex.com/as/as25178.html#graph [16:20] i've been jumping up and down to get l3 in as apparently they have presence near our core network now... so we should definitely be buying from them imho [16:20] my graph is funny: http://www.robtex.com/as/as25795.html#graph [16:20] transit from those guys is *very* good though, which helps [16:20] yeah [16:20] hehe [16:20] looks a lot more healthy than mine :) [16:21] not right now [16:21] ;) [16:21] hehehe [16:24] hey up_the_irons - if you do speak to l3, i'd be interested to hear what they quote per mbit [16:24] for comparison to their UK charges [16:25] up_the_irons - you're providing 6to4? [16:25] 192.88.99 ? [16:25] or is that just because you're peering with others who do? [16:26] RandalSchwartz: i was, but that router was taken offline when i decomissioned my Xen instances [16:26] it was just a linux + quagga setup, kinda stupid but it worked :) [16:27] so traffic is heading towards you recklessly? :) [16:27] or does it just get bounced to the next guy somehow [16:35] is there something i can throw on my openbsd router to handle the routing of IPv6 traffic (over IPv4 on the WAN)? [16:39] I use a tunnel broker for that [16:40] at home that is [16:40] yes. you can get a free tunnel from he.net [16:41] I use sixxs :) [16:41] I'm using that with my Airport Extreme at hime [16:41] sixxs wasn't compatible with Airport Extreme [16:41] so I just cancelled mine with them [16:41] Not sure how good he.nets routing is to Sweden :) [16:41] amdprophet: just tunnel through your vps [16:41] he.net is all over the world [16:41] But sixxs works for me now [16:41] up_the_irons: can't get to my vps :p [16:42] bah :( [16:42] amdprophet: But yeah, try he.net or sixxs if you want ipv6 connectivity at home :) [16:42] ... http://tunnelbroker.net/ [16:42] dxtr: any preference? [16:42] I use sixxs, RandalSchwartz is using he.net [16:42] Both works so... Nah :) [16:42] ... (Fremont, CA; New York, NY; Dallas, TX; Chicago, IL; London, UK; Frankfurt, Germany; Paris, France; Amsterdam, NL; Miami, FL; Ashburn, VA; Seattle, WA; Los Angeles, CA; Hong Kong; Toronto, ON [16:43] are any of those near you? :) [16:43] RandalSchwartz: Toronto, ON was the last one [16:43] So... No [16:43] seattle is [16:43] i'm about 3 hours from seattle [16:43] Amsterdam, NL was the closest for me [16:43] there ya go [16:43] select Amsterdam then [16:43] amdprophet: I think he.net is better in the US [16:44] I have a /48 at home thanks to he.net [16:44] Because I don't think sixxs have that many nodes in the states [16:44] And half of them seem to be down [16:44] i'll try he [16:44] I've got a /48 at home thanks to sixxs, RandalSchwartz ;) [16:44] yeah - and sixxs requires a lot more work [16:44] as in, not compatible with Airport Extreme [16:44] Actually I haven't done anything since I set it up [16:44] all I had to do was type a few addresses into the confnig [16:44] with sixxs, I would have needed a machine dedicated to being the broker [16:45] I'm using an openbsd router, RandalSchwartz :) [16:45] Yeah, I don't have any home computers [16:45] just my laptops [16:45] and the tivo, and the ps3 [16:45] Hehe [16:46] I've got two laptops plus the router (An intel atom 330) plus two more laptops (Mom and dad) plus my brothers stationary [16:46] And my girlfriend brings her laptop here [16:46] So.. I've still got plenty of addresses [16:50] I've gotten quite used to using Miredo (Mac Teredo) on my laptop as I travel now too [16:50] so I'm almost always hooked in to here via v6 [16:50] even when in a v4-only internet cafe [16:50] shutting down Mzima session; hold onto your seats [16:51] i lost my seat, what do i hold on to? [16:51] * RandalSchwartz grabs his seat [16:51] * RandalSchwartz waits for the music to stop before grabbing a seat [16:52] RandalSchwartz: differences between a regular tunnel and a bgp tunnel? [16:52] amdprophet: I can reach your IP now [16:52] :) [16:52] woot [16:52] amdprophet: the Shaw one, that is [16:52] it works! [16:52] fucking Mzima [16:52] err, Packet Exchange [16:53] the fix should not involve me turning off the circuit [16:53] you need a bgp tunnel if you also ahve other ways to the internet [16:53] if you have only one way out, no need [16:54] you can simply take the default route approach [16:54] thx [16:54] or if you want to run more than one net behind your connection [16:54] you have to exchange "I have xyz, you have what?" handshaking if so [16:54] amdprophet: I assume Mzima never called you? [16:55] if you have only one net, they already know it, and they'll route to you for that, and you route to them for everything else [16:55] up_the_irons: you assume correctly :) [16:55] How the hell do Teredo work? [16:55] bah [16:55] I never got that [16:55] it works quite well! [16:55] up_the_irons: sounds like PacketExchange is going to be a fun time for you [16:56] But it's meant for casual connections. if you're permanently wiring up 6 over 4, then you should use a broker like he.net [16:56] with teredo, you get an IPv6 depending on the nearest globally routed v4 [16:56] so as I move around, I have different v6's on my laptop [16:57] right [16:58] and I think there's randomizing... so if I'm off the net for a bit, I get a new v6 [16:58] like right now, I'm 2001:0:4137:9e76:0:1ec7:33f2:5cdb [16:58] the "2001:0" is the clue that I'm Teredo [16:59] if you ever see that somewhere else, that's what it is [16:59] the last four bytes encode my ipv4 address [16:59] Ah [16:59] that's how the he.net machine (which happens to be the biggest teredo server as well) knows where to route my v4 packets [16:59] But.. How do all routers know where to route the ipv6 packets? [17:00] Is it done over ipv4? [17:00] yes [17:00] ipv4 to he.net, and they unwrap it and put it on v6 [17:00] when it comes back, they wrap it back in v4, send it back [17:00] And how do the clients find the nearest teredo tunnel? [17:01] they contact the One True Tunnel Broker [17:01] ... teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com [17:01] of all things. :) [17:01] Interesting [17:01] The service is actually contracted out to (you guessed it) he.net :) [17:01] see.. he.net wants your ipv6 business [17:02] but this is how all Vista and windows 7 machines get "free" ipv6 [17:02] they all have teredo on by default [17:02] and they contact the microsoft.com address to get routed [17:02] I see [17:04] the microsoft.com is just a NAT bridging solution... they figure out a nearby he.net machine based on your source IP, then get the two of you to talk to each other using NAT-traversal [17:04] works most of the time... can possibly fail if you're double-NATted [17:04] anyway, I just have a Miredo prefpane that I leave enabled [17:05] within about 5 seconds of me getting an ipv4, I also have an ipv6 [17:05] you just exponentially increased my understanding of Teredo [17:06] I've read some about Teredo before but never gotten it. But they seem to have improved the wikipedia article now :) [17:06] well, remember "1/2" is an exponent. :) [17:07] Funny guy :P [17:08] that's why I like people saying "for a fraction of the cost" without realzing that "3/2" is a fraction :) [17:09] "So it's only -50% cheaper?" [17:11] "no that's 50% less off!" [17:12] hah [17:12] omgosh my nick! [17:12] "wait... are you saying '50% less' or '50% off'?" [17:12] "that's right, I'm saying 50% less off!" [17:12] :D [17:12] your nick? [17:12] is he here? :) [17:12] I've been "underscored" [17:12] You know what I just realized, RandalSchwartz? [17:13] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Root_graphs.svg <- It looks like an onion [17:13] *** infrared_ is now known as infrared [17:13] yay [17:13] onions are roots, yes [17:13] onions are like my ex [17:13] or, my ex is like an onion [17:14] She's a vegetable? [17:14] i wish she was [17:14] no. onions are fruits. [17:14] onion is a fruit? [17:14] but they smell like shit [17:14] RandalSchwartz: I have them in a salad and on burgers therefore they are vegetables [17:15] you never have tomatoes or fruit salad? :) [17:15] I roast them and have them on my hot dogs - therefore they are vegetables! [17:15] What are you saying? That you have onions in your fruit salad? [17:15] dxtr: science? [17:16] ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato#Fruit_or_vegetable.3F [17:16] fink: They are vegetables too [17:16] dxtr: yes, i know [17:17] RandalSchwartz: i think onions are veggies [17:17] I know. I was kidding. [17:17] aiming for "50% more less knowledge" [17:18] fink: Not many know that sciences are vegetables [17:19] dxtr: err… [17:19] I'm just tired ;) [17:20] Hmm... water and ice cream perhaps [17:22] * RandalSchwartz wanders off to happy hour [17:26] *** cedwards has joined #arpnetworks [17:32] yummy [17:32] sandwiches [17:34]