is there any issue with vps's atm?
cant seem to logon in ssh or vnc
and its pinging out for the last day, all my bots/bnc
it appears to just be you.
which vnc?  the console vnc, or your internal vnc?
yeah. mine are still workin' fine.
console one
is there any way to tell which host machine you're on?
my vps locked up yesterday
so i wonder if our problems are related, nuke
maybe by a traceroute
first hop up is the host OS
hmm, i'm in single user mode right now so i can't find out just yet
im buildworld'ing right now
i can ping it
Average time over 10 pings: 51.6 ms
its where nukeAFK is
but is always ping out
actually - yeah, the console IP is probably related to the machine it's on
i use 208.79.88.69
to vnc in
* Dns resolved 208.79.88.69 to kvr04.arpnetworks.com
hmmm
mine is kvr02
ahh ok
well ill shoot an email off to support
Crap. I need a new hdd :(
i did it a couple of hours ago
Hmm
Can't one get an entire directory with sftp?
-r ?
rsync :)
frankly, I stopped using sftp long ago
and even before that, I never realized cp had -r because I had grown used to using rsync for all that
much more versatile
*and* restartable
it got alot better in recent openssh, including finally filename-completion
but indeed, rsync is the best
Might start using that more
rsync -avxP host:/path/to/there/ /path/to/here/
Holy crap! -P is just plain awesome
I love you, RandalSchwartz
I'll start using rsync to copy files between disks :P
Is it available on vanilla Mac OS X (Leopard)?
yea
and on OSX add -A to copy resource fokrs
I think it's -A
oops -X
:P
so with -X you can accurately clone all mac files
including resource forks
Just asked because my girlfriend got a mac and we transfer much data to each other
I regularly clone folders of uh, mixed origin using that
Hmm.. btw, in emacs
How do I unset a mark?
There's probably a better way, but I just hit ^G
that seems to clear it
Awesome
It even worked in firemacs :D
Oh yeah
C-g - resets the mark
I think I just learnedearly on that ^G means "abort!"
ahh, so it's literally the right thing :)
Isn't ESC-ESC-ESC "Abort!"
?
At least that's what I've read on the internet
no - that's to cut out of the minibuffer
^G will abort running loops
speaking of which... time to upgrade emacs to 23.2
soon as it's built, I gotta leave for a few minutes. :)
by the way, if you haven't played around with Tramp and Eshell in emacs, you're missing out
^x ^f /otherhost:/path/to/file RET
Who are you calling a tramp? :)
ok - back in a few minutes I hope
in theory, now on 23.2
mailcrypt is broken though
I need to figure out why
Hmm. upgrading emacs must've uninstalled it :)
I'm not using it anyway
so are new registrations still frozen?
I heard that from some other list today
ahh.  says so on th epage
hehe
the original batgirl turned 73 today
she was also the green-skinned orion girl on the insane-asylum planet
on star trek
\o
Does it seem like a good idea to keep all my important backups on an encrypted sd card?
any admins around?
stze: i am
for some meaning of "round" :)
ne admins
hi spits ;x
spits: i'm an admin
sup nesta
is this who you got your box with?
yup
i guess they are sold out
:(
highly recommended :)
well
dont say that
cuz we cant ge tone
ya think so atm, should be in soon
me and ste were gonna get one
just wait :)
cool
Crap. Sometimes I kind of dislike that my english sucks. "... my girlfriend (which by the way...." sounded awesome in my head... Until someone commented it and said that my girlfriend is definitely a "who". A big "meh", face palm and some embarassment for that :P
its worth it
dude
spits: i'd encourage you to email preorder@arpnetworks.com
lol
to get on the priority list
how long is a few weeks tho?
^^
like
3-4
or 1-2
lol
I heard "June" from up_the_irons
email garry/up_the_irons
:)
its the best deal in town tbh
so
wait!
lol
k
staple a $50 to your email
why you think they sold out fool!
heheh
yeh do what RandalSchwartz says
spits: middle of june, however slots periodically open up, so it is good to get on the priority list
up_the_irons: he is my buddy ;x
ok
hehe
it's good to be a victim of your own success
nestea: i figured :)
spits: preorder@arpnetworks.com
this is a guarantee that ARP will be around next month :)
haaha
yeah these guys are out for the gusto!
if up_the_irons could configure a box for you in 15 minutes, I'd worry
backlog is good
up_the_irons: Not going into detail if it's too sensitive - but you must make a fortune out of this. You're cheap but people are like vultures for your services :P
are you having to get racks in a new building yet?
or are they all still in the same walking area?
the building depicted at the beginning of SouthLAnd :)
dxtr: LOL.  this business is hardly a get rich type of thing ;)  my hardware costs are insane
RandalSchwartz: all in the same walking area
yeah - he buys stuff for us at $50k a pop, then gets $500 a month for ... 100 months. :)
up_the_irons: I hope for heavens sake that you make a decent living out of it
I suspect he's not flying a private jet, but I bet he's not eating ramen
I don't have the silghtest clue to how many customers he's got so I'm kind of guessing
at least 3. :)
hahah
LOL
if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say 4 times however many usually are in this channel as a bare minimum
We'll see how ridiculous that is
I'm guessing actually only about 1/10 of the customers might be regulars here
IRC isn't a usual thing
dxtr: I don't make a living at all out of it, i have a day job ;) was discussed a while back: http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2009-08-12,Wed&sel=53#l49
Hm, that's true
But I've never seen a place like this where people are actually like vultures (That's not necessarily a bad thing!) and the admins have to set up a pre-order list
Aaah! I've actually thought that (No.. I don't think about this on the way to and from school..)
IRC growth is like reverse logarithmic.  grew a lot at first, but as a channel gets "fat", people tend to not care to stay around.  it's like when communities get too big, they cease to have the "small community" feel
Yeah, like Randal just left
dxtr: http://www.prgmr.com/xen/ has a pre-order list
they are always sold out
I said *I'VE* never seen :)
dxtr: just sayin :)
Hehe. but seriously, the cheapest vps' here costs the same for half the performance
And then they are run on openvz or some crap
ugh... my new emacs isn't hitting my IMAP correctly
Like my last provider; I couldn't set the clock (So ntp was out of the question), no ip6tables (But they had native ipv6 connectivity) and if I wanted to run any BSD I'd have to pay like $50 each month because they ran it on vmware
"License stuff"
I raged so I popped a vein on my forehead
LOL
up_the_irons, funny you linked that. I fired off an email to them so they would let me know when they have openings. That must have been over 6 months ago. I haven't gotten any replies after the initial conversation.
and that's why you're here
Yeah
AndrewBC: o'rly?  interesting
Yeah, I don't know if I fell through the cracks or what, but oh well.
AndrewBC: i had a sneaking suspicion that they are simply sitting on what they got, instead of getting more hardware
up_the_irons - do you know Alex Teslik
Oh that makes sense, when your profit margin is really slim, getting more hardware can be pretty scary.
AndrewBC: their prices are even lower than mine, i actually don't see how they could even afford hardware; it must take a while for them to make up their cost
RandalSchwartz: no
up_the_irons: Do you think there's a possibility an earth quake (Or something) will move LA to the east coast so I will get better ping times to the VPS?
because that's the only thing I.. Dislike is the wrong word. Like less :P
he's one of the leads of disney animation
local guy
disney tv mostly
up_the_irons, yeah they're insanely cheap. Makes me wonder what would happen if disaster struck them, you know?
dxtr: i hope my building is pretty earthquake resistant ;)
then again, working for disney here means you're one of 50,000
people used to do that to me working at Tektronix in Portland
RandalSchwartz: i work for a small subsidiary of Disney, so I don't end up meeting a lot of the people that work direct w/ Disney
"oh you work for Tek... you must know..."
up_the_irons: I'm not saying anything should be destroyed. Just shaken to the east coast. Preferrably scandinavia but that's stretching it
yeah srsly, disney is HUGE
dxtr: haha
... The Disneyland Resort supports 65700 jobs in southern California
and that's just the resort :)
Oh - edgar sec filing says 150k in socal
there we go
I kind of face palmed when I read LA in the beginning. I was like "Fuck yeah! The right side of the US too!", check map, ".... Oh well"
it's like .ca vs .ca.us :)
quite a bit of difference
RandalSchwartz: Do you know on wich coast Göteborg is? :P
Don't google it
dxtr: lol
(Gothenburg in english btw)
it's on the Göte coast!
Wat? :D
You know, next to the... Börg coast!
lol
in fact, I think it forms the border
"formerly a town in the DMZ between Göte and Børg, this little peacful village is now a thriving metropolis!"
Haha
"inhabited entirely by people who have no normal vowels in their name, headed by Svén and Ølly Jürgens as co-commissioners..."
Jürgen sounds german
:(
it's all the same!
Haha
heh
you think Svén is a swedish name?
Sven, but still
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sven
Sure.  but with the little spanish accent?
Haha
"my name, although one syllable, will be pronounced with more stress than the rest of the sentence"
I remember when I used to play games and talked a lot with americans that had a hard time grasping å, ä and ö :D
"How is that even pronounced!? a-with-two-dots!?"
well - every language has 40 phonemes, so I'm sure there's a few that we have that you have trouble with
we just use the language of God... ASCII
Hehe
if it was good enough for God in the King James Bible, it's good enough for us.
Cyrillic \Å“
\o
Speaking of wich; have you never heard a swede speak english?
It sounds horrible
And I admit it - I sound horrible too
if it's a girl, it doesn't matter. :)
you'd hit it anyway?
swedish girls, yup
as long as they were 18-22 :)
after that, not so good
Let me show you something
http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/lovis01.jpg <- She's more swedish than me :D
not following a link with tübgîrl in it :)
she's actually pretty cute
not that you should trust me
yeah
I'd go there
My point was: Not so stereotypical :D
I think it's kind of funny
i'd hit it
I'd try to hit it, and fail as I often do
infrared: I hit it yesterday!
since I'm a stupid idiot geek with no skills
High give! \o
o/
High give.. ffs
what is "high give"?
yeah.. mega fail
dxtr: prove it
dxtr: yeah.. "pics".. or it didn't happen
RandalSchwartz: Slang for hi-five
not here
Apparently
you crazy foreigner
:D
infrared: I can show you a picture of one of our kittens
aww
heh "kitten"
Or http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/streetview.gif
I can show you a bunch of pictures of women I met on a cruise ship last week, and didn't hit. :)
wtf
is that you in scuba gear?
s/on a cruise ship last week/in the past ten years/ :)
haha, no. But it's in Sweden :P
point noted
:)
people playing with teh streetview camera
http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/lovisdxtr02.jpg <- Is that some kind of proof?
not as good as that entire parade they worked out
:P
street view camera?
infrared: Google street view
heh - http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/vampire.png
dxtr: wha?  i thought their street view was a camera duck taped to a car that drove around
duct*
infrared: Yeah? Maybe it is?
We do have cars in Sweden you know
i mean Google's street view
there - this is how most swedes are - http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/dxtr04.jpg
well, i can see why she likes you
:D
RandalSchwartz: Haha
http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/bianca09.jpg  <-- all virgins
infrared: How did you know? It's my class :D
lucky guess :)
there we go - http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/lovisdxtr02.jpg
RandalSchwartz: I showed it already
1http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/Bild0009.jpg <- This was outside my apartment this winter btw
It was horrible
http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/dxtrmat01.jpg <- this is pasta, cheese and sausage that my friend and I cooked
http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/dxtr09.jpg  <-- are you wearing your girlfiend's shirt?
It tasted as horrible as it looks
infrared: Yeah
She made me :(
Haha. At least I get to hit it ;)
a small consolation :)
RandalSchwartz: http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/bajs01.jpg for you
are you in high school?
yeah
For another mont
month*
Why?
the prom dress
Ahha
Ooh.. #perl
:)
Yeah, I'm still learning
http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/truck01.jpg <- I drove that forklift truck when I took my license :D
lol those twilight pics are hilarious
my fiance loves those stupid movies
My girlfriend does too. That's why I'm saving them
sweden has weird cats
Haha, why?
funny looking
It's an american breed
So right back at you ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maine_Coon
http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/index.pl.txt   <-- wtf
It's a script I made for the lols (and for the education!) that lists the files in the directory :)
i can see that :)
and i lol'd
Overkill, but it was fun
and educational!
Please don't be too harsh, infrared. It was the first I did in perl a couple of weeks ago :D
I was out of ideas
Perl?
egah
new CGI::Fast
ugh ugh
h1/h4
you have no sense of levels :)
h1 should be over h2
not h4
Actually when I hacked it together it was more "This is the correct size.. I'll fix it later"
But I never fixed it
yeah - don't pick header level by size
that's... wrong
Hehe
I know. But it wasn't supposed to be seen by anyone else but me. But then I never fixed it and people started browsing my public dir ;)
But hold on for a second now
aaah
Now I see it
print h1($title),h2(),h3(),h4(time_strftime(....)); <- Quick fix :D
no no
wrong
no and wrong
I was kind of joking
You know... a joke?
:)
doesn't translate
jøke? :)
Yeah, kind of
But don't bash the html. I hate it and would rather have nothing to do with it
Bash the perl instead :)
I already did
"new CGI::Fast"
wrong
wrong wrong
It is?
yup
you should write "CGI::Fast->new"
indirect object notation is harmful
http://www.perl.com/doc/manual/html/lib/CGI/Fast.html
then the manual is wrong
you should read perl docs instead
Just sayin' :)
indirect object notation was cute for about two years
and CGI::Fast isn't core
so don't blame the core
blame the third party
I'm not blaming anything here
sure you are
"It is?"
instead of just "ok, lemme fix it"
so you're looking to place blame
At first I was fishing for an explanation
swedish fishing!
And then I just said "I just read it here. Please don't hurt me", kind of :P
yes - all elements of assigning blame
At least I didn't actively (conciously) try to blame anyone!
RandalSchwartz: Fixed it now \o/
No no.  Perl is sacred
Perl is good
Perl can only be abused by humans
but in its pure form, it is holy
RandalSchwartz: when you give people 3 billion ways to write something, I don't think you get to complain when most are wrong ;)
haha. Concur.
and it's a good thing Perl doesn't give people 3 billion ways
that sounds more like the ruby mantra
Larry has been quoted as saying "sure, a few ways to do something, but 10? that's crazy"
when someone suggested a few more variations for something
so yes, Larry is sane
and even so, Larry is sure that each way to do something is *optimized* for some aspect of it
not jsut pure syntax fluff
in a brief moment of seriousness, I have nothing against perl. I love perl. I hate CPAN, but I love perl.
RandalSchwartz: Check it now!
hate CPAN?
it's the saving throw of Perl!
nobody else has that
if I were born sooner, I probably would know and like Perl.
you mean earlier in the morning?
I actually like cpan
No, I mean sooner than I was born :P
Are we talking hours, AndrewBC?
yeah, minutes, hours or days?
Well, I think I'm as specific as I can be given that this is hypothetical :D
decades?
centuries?
in the 17th century, you claim "oh, in the 20th century they will invent Perl, and I shall like that then..." :)
Captain's log, year 1: I love Perl soooo much. I carved it out in a cave even though it hasn't been invented yet, and boy is it expressive!
"there's more than one way to carve it!"
hahah
Did the egyptians code perl with hieroglyphs?
they spoke Perl as a native language!
print "cleo!"; print "other guy!"
No, I'm pretty certain that was the romans
the romans used python.  more orderly indenting
the Huns used TCL
Horrible
The vikings probably spoke Ook!
"<RandalSchwartz> the romans used python.  more orderly indenting" <- genius.
The early native americans were the last peoples to actually understand Haskell
The germans used fortran
Brits?  COBOL
Haha
And the Poles?  (too obvious)... RPN
Lisp?
Clearly the french
Greece - FORTH... tiny and productive
The way those parenthesis drape
really gives a nice silhouette
Oh horrible
Have you heard of C-omega?
http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/cambridge/projects/comega/
nothing beats the horrible-ness of MUMPS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUMPS
jump to #Sample_programs for the long and short of it
:P
Is that actually a language?
yup
And that's still used?
That's just... wow... I can't describe the feelings I have right now
I'm devastated
I suppose so, but I don't want to think about that
I think lisp is kind of weird in an awesome way
I feel awesome whenever I get to do something with it (even though I've never done something "real" in it) - but I don't think I'll ever really learn lisp
heh
MUMPS is still heavily used yes
That's actually quite disturbin
disturbing
I should probably go to bed now
Gnight
Going up in three hours or so
Oh well, good night/evening/afternoon/morning, etc.
good $localtime :)
heh
RandalSchwartz: sorry, was busy elsewhere. My complaint with CPAN is the unreliable quality of the modules (some is great, some is purely non-functional, and some worked once but not anymore...) ... and the fact that every module in CPAN seems to rely on every other module.
... on the other hand, there's a module for everything you want and several things you don't.
so that's awesome.
the latter is an exaggeration
most modules have only 1 or 2 dependencies at most
it's only "do-all" modules like catalyst that go crazy
rarely do I install a random module that requires more than 1 or 2 others
yeah but it snowballs.
no it doesn't
FUD
please stop
it's not THAT uncommon to install something and have it pull in a dependency that in turn pulls in a dependency.
there are a few large frameworks
you've installed those
don't paint the rest of the CPAN with that
haha. XML::RSS is hardly a large framework.
*most* of the CPAN is fairly small
actually - it needs a lot
XML parsing is actually somewhat complex
and a long ways from Perl's native skills
parsing text isn't one of perl's native skills? :)
XML isn't just parsing
you can do it with regex... slowly
the XML modules tend to use expat or libxml2
as they should
and there's where your dependencies come in
both of those are pretty fat frameworks
anybody else think this is cool?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3452/3393263792_6998cf9fda_o.jpg
dammit. why doesn't freebsd enforce password expiry in login.conf.
because forcing people to change their passwords has been shown to be less safe?
forcing change every few weeks or months was based on raw cracking speed for bad algorithms
now that we don't do that, change only means that people write down their passwords, or pick stupid ones
so it's actually *less* secure to regularly rotate, rather than *more* secure
does anyone know the password for the arpnetworks account ?
what do you mean?
well
when i got my vps
there was two user accounts
mango
and arpnetworks
"mango"?
yes
 arpnetworks:*:1002:1002:ARP Networks Maintenance Account:/home/arpnetworks:/bin/sh
Oh - I erased that :)
I just installed my own machine
finally got FreeBSD on my EeePC working again.
so there are no accounts that up_the_irons knows on my machine
someone smack me next time I want to 'portmaster -af'
paranoid much?
RandalSchwartz: I did the same. I reinstalled from scratch.
not paranoid
just didn't know how to reset it :)
and I rewrote / to be ZFS
in times like these, this is useful
so nothing existed from previous
up_the_irons should have a disk with / as ZFS to clone from
since it takes about a half hour to set up
or at least a script I can paste into the console :)
RandalSchwartz: yeah. if copy/paste worked better into the vnc window it'd go a bit faster.
haha