#arpnetworks 2010-05-14,Fri

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AndrewBCWow, pretty full channel. Didn't expect that [02:15]
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bob^^:) [02:30]
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AndrewBCOh no, who let the FBI in here? [03:27]
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dxtrMy wlan card works great in Linux
That's awesome 		[06:14]
RandalSchwartzhmm. I run only about a GB a day through my external interface. I'm paying for 6GB a day. I wonder if I can farm out some sort of task to soak up the rest. :) [06:28]
dxtrWhy am I sitting in the living room, with my laptop in my knee, and watching Tyra Banks show?
RandalSchwartz: Save me :( 		[06:29]
RandalSchwartzis she naked? [06:29]
dxtrUnfortunately, no [06:30]
RandalSchwartzthen there's not much hope for you. :) [06:30]
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RandalSchwartzalthough, actually, she's past her prime now [06:30]
mike-burnsYou should get a table to rest the laptop on. That's your best bet. [06:30]
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bob^^lol [06:30]
RandalSchwartzyes, don't take "laptop" literally :) [06:31]
dxtrHehe
I'm afraid our cats will eat the laptop if I put it on the table
They're kinda outnumbering me 		[06:31]
RandalSchwartzThe more you talk, the more problems you seem to have [06:31]
dxtrSo some of them can hold me while some of them trash my laptop [06:32]
RandalSchwartz"but the cats are nothing compared to the damage caused by the flooding" [06:32]
dxtrHaha :D [06:32]
RandalSchwartz"of course, we don't notice the flooding so much, now with the troops marching nearby"
"so, back to tyra banks... save me!" 		[06:32]
dxtr:D
hmm... There are 5 cats in thie room alone
Four of them are sleeping 		[06:33]
bob^^:o [06:33]
dxtrI can probably take them if I surprise them now [06:33]
bob^^i've got two cats [06:33]
dxtrbob^^: Fail :D [06:34]
RandalSchwartzit all starts with just two cats. :) [06:35]
bob^^:(
cats are great 		[06:35]
dxtrYeah they have
are*
(Wtf?)
Anyhow, that's why we're breeding them
:D 		[06:35]
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cedwardserg. I've figured out how to disable sendmail (127.0.0.1:25), yet just use the submit.cf (MSP) on Linux, but I can't get it to work on FreeBSD.
this way mail still flows out, but sendmail never binds to a port or IP. 		[06:53]
dxtrcedwards: Do you want to disable sendmail on freebsd? [06:53]
cedwardsdxtr: I want to be able to send out daily reports, but I don't want sendmail bound to an IP or port.
roughly based on this: http://www.deer-run.com/~hal/sysadmin/sendmail.html 		[06:54]
dxtrHmm, okay [06:55]
cedwardsI've set it up on Linux, but it's not quite working on FreeBSD [06:56]
dxtrright [06:58]
cedwardsohh, man rc.sendmail looks like the right direction [06:58]
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cedwardshmm.. according to the documentation I've got it, but it's not working [07:19]
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bob^^sendmail is a black art
i normally install exim and modify the system to suit ;) 		[07:28]
dxtrI just made the ugliest xsetroot hack ever :D
xsetroot -name "$(acpi -b|awk '{ printf "%s %s %s %s %s", $1,$3,$4,$5,$6 } { if ($7 != "") printf " %s", $7 }') | `date +"%R"`"
Can this be made any cleaner?
I'm thinking of piping to perl 		[07:32]
RandalSchwartzawk!
yes - perl could probably do the whole thing
what is date +%R? 		[07:35]
dxtrPrint the time :) [07:35]
RandalSchwartzis it reading anything?
you're piping to it
what are you piping to it, and what is it doing with that?
Oh - just a vertical bar 		[07:35]
dxtr.D [07:36]
RandalSchwartzwhat is acpi -b ? [07:36]
dxtrPrint battery stuff
And that's what I'm piping to awk
And I need the if because it has variable length depending on if I've connected the power cord or not 		[07:36]
RandalSchwartzoh [07:37]
dxtrSo I think perl would be a better choice
But this works so far
Anyhow, how would one do it in perl? echo "drule" | perl -e "" <- How do I access what I piped to perl+ 		[07:37]
Ailahi
was wondering if anyone could help me 		[07:48]
cedwardsawk is black magic [07:48]
Ailahere is a link to my zone file -> http://pastebin.com/Kc0Ya1qq
nslookup doesn't work on my ns1 ns2 or root domain
i had it working before but started over from nothing because i thought i did something wrong when reverse dns wasn't working :/
now i can't figure out how i got it working before 		[07:48]
dxtrcedwards: awk is beautiful ;)
The new wikipedia sucks :( 		[07:51]
mike-burnsNah. [07:54]
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dxtrThis sounds like a great idea. My friend is starting a project with his friend. Their first problem was finding out if perl is a language or not [08:17]
RandalSchwartzit's most definitely a language [08:18]
mike-burns... or is it?! [08:18]
RandalSchwartzit's a religion, and a language, and a floor wax, and a dessert topping [08:18]
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dxtrThey're starting coding project, have no advanced experience with computers (That is, nothing more than gaming and casual facebook browsing) and have no idea what a programming language is [08:20]
jdoelol [08:22]
dxtrBut I'm off now
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cedwardsasl?
:P 		[11:11]
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yikes. I just built a new machine (amd64, 8.0 FreeBSD) and I'm getting a bunch of ACPI Exception errors.
ACPI Exception: AE_LIMIT, while evaluating GPE method [_L09] 20090512 evgpe-...
ACPI Error: Illegal I/O port address/length above 64K: 0x0x400020/4...
(this is on my own hardware, of course, but I'm wondering if anyone has run into something like that before) 		[11:31]
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jlgaddisup_the_irons: winnie cooper is hot. that is all. [13:33]
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up_the_ironsAndrewBC: you didn't expect the channel to be full? blasphemy! [13:33]
cedwardswin [13:37]
up_the_ironsjlgaddiis hit and ran
http://twitter.com/kdulzo/status/13989363912
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cedwardscedwards is now distracted. [13:40]
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cedwardsI really wish I could get this sendmail thing figured out on FreeBSD.
works easily on Linux, but I can't get it to work the same on BSD 		[13:47]
mhoran[jUaReZ]Sendmail eh? [13:54]
AndrewBCup_the_irons, haha! I meant it as a compliment! Backhanded as it may be :P [14:08]
up_the_ironsAndrewBC: :)
cedwards: can't you just use sendmail to send an email w/o having it run as a daemon? 		[14:09]
jdoeiirc the sendmail binary dumps it in the queue, it won't send directly [14:10]
cedwardsup_the_irons: that's what I've done on linux (define msp in submit.cf, disable service), but I can't get it to work on FreeBSD. [14:10]
jdoecedwards: if you're ALWAYS going to be delivering to another host, maybe ssmtp? [14:10]
cedwardsman rc.sendmail outlines how it should work, but it's not functioning the way I expect. [14:10]
up_the_ironsi didn't like to have to install postfix on all my machines, but at some point i realized it was worth it, b/c the queuing of mail to be sent is pretty important. while most mail will be delivered immediately to the destination, on the rare occassion the MX host is down, then postfix will manage retrying, etc... So basically, mail never gets lost
jdoe: ah ok 		[14:11]
cedwardsup_the_irons: there is a solution for that as well with this configuration, but I'm getting stumped. [14:12]
up_the_ironsjdoe: cedwards : yeah, i've used ssmtp for when i _always_ send to another host. however, again, at some point, i just succumbed to using Postfix [14:12]
cedwardsI would just prefer my machines send-only (no MTA), no ip:port binding and relay through my mail server. [14:12]
up_the_ironscedwards: right, but what if your mail server is down? of course it is rare, but you don't want to worry about missing emails during that time [14:13]
cedwardsif my mail server is down I'm not getting my mail anyway. my mail server is down :) [14:13]
up_the_ironspostfix runs pretty thin as a "satellite" only host [14:13]
cedwardsI prefer postfix as an MTA, sure. It just seems like a lot of extra work to install and configure postfix on all these machines that default to sendmail-via-localhost already. [14:14]
up_the_ironscedwards: yeah but when your mail server comes back up, hosts trying to send it mail will retry. so while you are not getting mail when the mail server is down, it doesn't mean you've *lost* email [14:14]
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cedwardsI don't see when I would lose mail. the sender should retry until a timeout (x days) or a successful reception. [14:15]
up_the_ironsfor example, I have Postfix on the server that accepts orders. If my mail server is down, I don't lose orders. If I configured the host to send orders via smtp-only direct to my mail server, if the mail server is down, where is the order gonna go? it'll time out and be lost [14:16]
cedwardsso whether my server is up or down, or my "clients" send via a localhost-bound sendmail or not, I'll still get the mail eventually. [14:16]
up_the_ironscedwards: ok, i thought you were talking about an "send direct to this smtp host" setup
if you're queuing locally, then that won't be a problem
but queuing locally and then sending the mail is the same as postfix "satellite" setup, which is very easy to configure 		[14:16]
creatixhttp://tinychat.com/pugquit [14:18]
cedwardsyeah, I just don't want to go to all the work of installing and configuring postfix on all of our machines that already have functioning sendmail pre-installed. [14:18]
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RandalSchwartzall you really need is to forward port 25
put a socat command inside an inetd entry
so a local 25 connection forwards to a working smarthost 		[14:20]
jdoeyeah but sendmail (the binary) doesn't do that, does it? I thought it dumped things directly in the local queue.
... where sendmail (the omgwtfmta) picks it up and has its filthy way with it. 		[14:24]
cedwardsright now I'm toying with this: http://www.deer-run.com/~hal/sysadmin/sendmail.html
using msp via submit.mc to send directly to the smarthost, without a daemon.
anyhow, time to ru
*run 		[14:25]
jdoesounds unpleasant. [14:27]
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cedwardsanyone experienced with bacula? [18:32]
jdoenope... just rdiff-backup and duplicity.
er, and some ancient experience with amanda that I don't really remember anymore. 		[18:43]
cedwardsI managed to break backups tonite and I'm stuck on fixing them. thought it was worth a shot asking in here :) [18:46]
RandalSchwartzstep on a crack-up, break your brother's back-up :) [18:48]
awyeahI've been using duplicity recently, with dump
Although I'm not really sure that I need to be using dump on the VPS.
How's everyone else doing backups? 		[18:55]
cedwardsI'm trying out zfs snapshots, and my good 'ol fashioned rsync [18:56]
awyeahActually I think the real issue is... i need a good restore procedure [19:01]
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jdoeawyeah: I always have a tough time choosing between duplicity and rdiff-backup.
duplicity encrypts, and that's awesome. 		[19:06]
awyeahyeah that's what I'm using right now [19:06]
jdoerdiff-backup does rolling backups properly though, so it saves a ton of space [19:06]
awyeahah [19:07]
cedwardsis rdiff-backup the one that goes to S3? [19:07]
awyeahduplicity does [19:07]
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jdoecedwards: bigger difference is rdiff-backup does a single full backup with incremental diffs as far back as you want to go, duplicity does a full backup, then incrementals starting from that.
... so when you run out of space with rdiff-backup you just delete the oldest diffs. For duplicity you need to nuke a full backup plus the diffs, so you always want at least twice as much backup space as you have data to backup 		[19:10]
awyeahI think that's called a "differential" backup and duplicity is an "incremental" backup [19:11]
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jdoeawyeah: dunno, I've heard them both called differential. I've certainly called both differential. [19:23]
awyeahdifferential I think is where the first is a full, then each one after that is the diff between the full and the current system
whereas an incremental - the first is a full and then each subsequent one is the difference between the last one
or, whatever, heh
my data is so small it doesn't matter really 		[19:23]
ballenso get this an HR person from a small company that I interviewed with back in August emails me saying she'd like to catch up. This is after saying that she knows I bought and house and "love" my current job
info from my college buddy who works there, so not creepy, just odd 		[19:26]
cedwardswhy is it so hard to find a decent html/css template?
most designs I find are way too flashy 		[19:40]
RandalSchwartz"template"? [19:41]
cedwardsI realize next week'll be three years since I started a free software project that has a bit of a following.
I thought I'd "celebrate" by giving it an improved face, and not just notes and a link on a wiki.
so I thought I'd look for a simple template that i could edit and cleanup/organize the information.
and i'm horrible with css/design, so I don't even want to try it on my own. 		[19:43]
ziyourenxiangcedwards: http://oswd.org, among others [19:47]
cedwardsziyourenxiang: I've looked there.. i think.
cedwards has looked at so many sites at this point he's going in circles :) 		[19:48]
ziyourenxiangjust pick one then :-) [19:49]
cedwardsi need to [19:49]
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