Well I am sort of in my system lol
kernel doesn't seem to provide virtio out of box
but I got my bootloader setup right... so now it is just a matter of getting my kernel setup righ
on my ARP vps
sort of :)
exit
kernels take entirely too long to compile
Wraithan: bummer
Well I am on my ARP vps, chrooted in from the liveCD and it is running fine lol
Hopefully I'll hace an hour or two tonight to get it working the rest of the way
Jeez you guys talk too much, I can hardly keep up with the conversations
slow it down already!
sorry :(
forgot I changed my nick
<.<
a
whoops
Uhm. Why did this ice cream taste like snus?
That
That's horrible
What's nu?
Oh, you're american? :D
But you have snus in the states nowadays
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus
Ha, I assumed you were making a pun along the likes of "my roommate is wearing her updog around the apartment".
Uhm. Why did this ice cream taste like anus?
Wat?
But you have anus in the states nowadays
CESSMASTER: Perhaps you had it in your anus?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anus
Haha.
nsfw probably
oh, not anymore
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_anus
:D
there used to be an actual photo of a human anus
There are two nowadays
Didn't you see the discussion about that?
no
Some people didn't want a shaved ass because it didn't look natural
And some didn't want a male anus
hahahahhahaha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Human_anus
There
:)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Human_anus#Endless_image_contention
More like that
That would bring it around full circle to where it's been a couple of years. We had a cropped, shaved, bleached porn-anus in this article for a while, it was determined unsuitable (and a copyvio) and replaced with the current hairy man-hole. All we need is a neutral-looking and not-overly-hairy, suitable for an anatomy text
I have actually considered taking a photo of my own anus for the article (as far as I am aware, mine is pretty typical) just to put an end to this. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be able to hold the camera at the right angle to get a decent shot. :( If you take a close look at the 'porn' anus in hi-res, it doesn't actually appear to have been shaved or bleached.
Yeah
I think you get it
please remove picture of male anus and replace with female anus Fartbarker 22:44, 28 January 2007 (UTC
hahahahahahahaha
This arguement is ridiculous....if you don't want to see an anus, be it male or female or hairy or not so hairy...um don't come to this page? Yeah...now if you want to see a female anus to masturbate to for whatever reason, how bout you go find a porn site? The gender of the person with the anus does not matter. An anus is an anus is anus. Deal with it. Don't want to see it, ...
... don't go to the anus page...
Are aliens coming to this page? Anyone from the animal kingdom who isn't human? We don't need photos of anuses, ok? We just simply do not. It's gratuitous, inappropriate, nearing pornographic and quite ridiculous. Everyone has an anus and they know what it looks like. If an image is *absolutely* necessary, i think i diagram or drawing would suffice. 71.232.108.228  07:01, 23 ...
Er
... March 2007 (UTC)
Hahahaha
if folks want to read it
they can go to the page.
They can?
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sex_drawings_by_User:Seedfeeder this is what i was talking about
half of these aren't even linked to a wikipedia article
they probably were.
after they went through the first copyright violation/sharia law purge, they replaced a lot of the sex article pictures with drawings (and occasionally in non-human flesh tones)
I think they stopped doing that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Human_anus#Artificial_anus <- Haha, read that :D
http://www.wolfire.com/humble
A thing that is a bit problematic (could just be configuration stuff from what I am reading) is that my VPS is only showing one core?
Wraithan: both of mine show the same
:(
The dual 4 core servers made me think I'd have multiple cores, even if it was 2-4 (4 seems standard these days for VPS)
don't arpnetworks vps only have a single cpu?
Yeah, just found that out
which could be problematic
little weird if you're used to linode/slicehost
:)
unfortunately, neither of those offer bsd...
up_the_irons: So the servers are multi-core but the VPSs only get access to a single core?
brb
I understand it as a single, dedicated core whereas the others are multiple, shared cores.
Yes, but having it as a single rather than multiple means if I go to compile a package I could bring my webservices to a halt/crawl
you can nice the compilation process
give it a priority of 20
I have to make sure I do anything that could be detrimental as nice, which is a hassle
it's not a dedicated core, is it?
presumably it's a ... single core that you get some slice of as determined by scheduling on the host.
william```: Yes I know but I compile packages weekly, among other things that are CPU intensive
why do you have to compile things weekly? o.O
are you running gentoo or something? :)
No, but I run cutting edge on several packages
... or freebsd, or openbsd ;)
Every 3 weeks is a new kernel release, that I will have to compile, I am running trunk of python 2.7 for a couple of my projects, and trunk of python 3.2 for some other stuff
ouch
Once 2.7 is official I wont have to compile it anymore, but until then I need to be tested against the latest so I can confidently push a release on 2.7 as soon as 2.7 is stable.
I compile all my ports on FreeBSD and I haven't seen any issues yet.
Does your system default to nice'ing the compilation?
Btw, recompiled kernel makes my system work 100%
what was happening before you recompiled it?
hanging because virtio was a module, not compiled in.
:(
scp is amazing :)
rsync is more amazing?
not the same thing
so I'm playing around with FreeBSD in KVM locally. Can anyone tell me how to activate console access, like is available at ARP?
cedwards: Think he uses an actual serial console...but I know zero details
:)
cedwards: -serial telnet:127.0.0.1:<port>,server,nowait
cedwards: then telnet to localhost and that port
Or that....  hehehe
Nat_UB: looks like an actual serial console, doesn't it? ;)
yes...rather neat implementation
thanks
I credit toddf for pointing me in the right direction and providing hints / tips
looks like I'm close based on this: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/serialconsole-setup.html
I can see the boot output, but can't yet login.
cedwards: you need to run a getty on /dev/ttyu0
or ttyd0 (FreeBSD 7.2 and below)
that might be my problem. I setup ttyd0, but I'm running 8.0.
I'll try ttyu0
8.0 uses uart(4) by default, not sio(4), so yeah, you'll need ttyu0
(I'm testing this on Ubuntu 10.04 using virsh console and virt-manager)
nice
should have the serial fix in it then, and you'll have no problems
Edit /etc/ttys and change off to on and dialup to vt100 for the ttyd0 entry. Otherwise a password will not be required to connect via the serial console, resulting in a potential security hole.
that is from the handbook. you say just change ttyd0 to ttyu0 and it should work for 8.0?
yes
handbook must not be updated for 8.0 yet
up_the_irons: the VPSs are all single core?
Wraithan: yes, unless you order more ($2 per core)
Ah I was not aware... maybe I didn't notice
up_the_irons: would I send an email to support@ in order to request the extra(s)?
most are happy with just a single core
Wraithan: yup
what is the max number of cores you can have on a single vps?
Heh, i use my vps for multiple things, which need the ability to be spread out on different cores
for documentation sake: I added 'console="comconsole"' to /boot/loader.conf and made the above change to /etc/ttys.
william```: 8
so that is baseline vps price + $14 (7 additional cores) per month?
cedwards: i find it a little easier to just "echo "-D" > /boot.config"
william```: yes
cool, noted :)
np
what is the average response time for support tickets?
i'm looking to migrate off of linode to arpnetworks entirely
william```: depends on the request
root pass reset :-)
up_the_irons: ohh, now you tell me. pfft.
up_the_irons: do you guys cater?
vps reset (format / reinstall) is usually like 24 / 48 hours
up_the_irons: it requires a reinstall to reset the root pass? o.O
william```: not applicable -- you can reset your root password on your own in single-user mode -- http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/vps/what-is-supported
fink: only cupcakes
oh, great
thanks
william```: no no, just giving an example of support request ;)
i'll make sure i log in more than once every 1.5 months so i don't forget in the future :)
i still do 99% of my stuff on linode :-/
lamenode
LOL
they're ok, but... linux
never  used them, but hear they are a pretty decent provider
probably one of the top
having choice of five datacenters is cool
i bet
and their support is good
they need to move away from xen though or they'll be stuck on dying tech
yeah, their higher prices can afford staff :)
cedwards: yes, srsly
haha, not a jibe, just an observation :-)
if you guys had cupcakes you would leave lamenode in the lamelagoon
we've been talking a lot about virtualization at work and I've simply told them to wait until kvm is well-done.
no point in starting things out on xen, and having to rebuild later.
cedwards: we are using kvm at work right now
william```: right, didn't take it as a jibe, was also just observing ;)
:)
Wraithan: I just got a Dell R900 to start testing with.
up_the_irons: so I removed my previous changes and tried simply "-D" in /boot.config. The console stalls out at trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a
cedwards: that's probably just the end of it writing; the next will be getty
We have a custom built server, pretty nice gear in it... I mainly just bring it to it's knees while I am doing a naive first pass of stuff though
go go 1600 queries to render a single page!
cedwards: i'd say kvm is already well-done.  I've replaced Xen completely with KVM at this point.  Things work even *better*
1600 queries? o_o
up_the_irons: we're mostly a RHEL shop, so I've been kind of just holding out for KVM to be provided there in RHEL6 (although I think they offered it in 5.5 too)
whens RHEL6 supposed to be out?
or 5.5 for that matter
william```: you've never done a naive first pass with a ORM, without any optimization in mind?
never will
cedwards: i c
its a decent version of Linux
No it isn't
Wraithan: i use an ORM daily :-)
especially if you have a large enterprise site license
It is the reason good projects have to support old garbage
if you have a kickstart server setup, local yum repos, etc
They still support Python 2.3
or maybe JUST phased it out, I forget
they're plenty of ways to get around old versions
just like you would in Solaris
Yeah, typically it is hacks to make it work on old versions as well as new
it makes for shit code because you have to support something so old.
Anything RH-based gets hacked
well anything CentOS gets hacked
RH is less worse off
nah, all my RH servers got hacked, i've never run Cent
plus it has a lot of industry support as far as paid apps go
Plus (in my very limited experience with it) making RPMs SUCKS
yes RPM's are lame
just saying its not as bad as most people thing it is
as is most things
think*
I'm just saying setups like RHEL are part of the reason why technology isn't moving forward as fast as it could.
making RPMs sucks, but so does making .deb's
they all suck
up_the_irons: that is why you make PKGBUILDs
they don't suck
been meaning to look into Arch Linux pacman stuff; it seems a lot simpler
Arch is good
and yes pacman is wicked simple
but
Arch is bleeding edge
no matter what
compat be damned
ballen: http://www.archserver.org/
i like *BSD package stuff as well, since they are mainly just tarballs
up_the_irons: arch recently moved to using tar.xz's for packaging :)
tiny downloads
nice
arch server is interesting, but if I really have my choice I'd just pick FreeBSD
no reason to use Linux
for most things
I've never (directly) used *BSD and could say the same thing about it.
it's all about taste
Yup
well theres certainly ease of use
and FreeBSD has a lot of that
I said something smart the other about it
ballen: yeah but FreeBSD is difficult for those who are used to something else
everything is hard when you don't invest the time
if you learn it, it becomes easy
:)
hah, yeah buy X is difficult for those who are used to something else
Arch is very easy!
but*
L(
:)
ballen: yeah
http://www.lessthanthreesoftware.com
now running on ARP
ease of use is relative to the user, let's just put it that way
so, again, it comes down to taste
true
up_the_irons: put in the request for the extra cores :)
I find windows hard to use.
meh whatever, use whatever the hell ya want
Same with OSX
is my opinion
my hands don't flow!
(nor does the spice)
unless it affects my production systems I don't care
osx is a fully-certified unix :-)
hehe
i love osx with macports
sudo port install slime +sbcl :-)
Eh, I use a highly customized WM... even other linux systems are hard to use
freebsd is a "real" unix, it seems to me
william```: yous a lisp hacker?
Wraithan: which WM?
up_the_irons: xmonad
i use xmonad, which is pretty geeky
LOL
:D
xmonad is da bomb
"Powerglove and Sonta Arctica" <-- typo
up_the_irons: I'm friends with dons, go to talks at his office every other week or so
Wraithan: sometimes, i'm also learning Haskell, but i write Ruby for a living
Me toO!
dons is a major dude
omg we have so much in common!
omg do you like bsd too?!
no.
omgomgomg
er
yes <.<
>.>
Ha.
like whatever!
william```: Ah, I am mostly a python coder (pays the bills) but lisp and haskell in my freetime
nice :-)
i work on a large rails application for a living
Though truth be told I like python quite a bit
lol, this is making my browser barf:
host www.lessthanthreesoftware.com
www.lessthanthreesoftware.com has address 206.125.170.2
160 models :|
www.lessthanthreesoftware.com has address 74.204.234.252
william```: large django app
changing IP
I've realized that Haskell is tricky because of the non-code parts of it are foreign. Things like documentation, finding a job, socializing events, and so on are very different than what the industry is used to.
Wraithan: me = python fanboy
up_the_irons: linode is doing that, I shut off their DNS stuff but it is being bothersome
Wraithan: roger
yeah, i don't use linode's dns offerings
I used to.
i take it they're bizarre?
I work on many large Rails applications for a living.
Nah, it was pretty straightforward, but I deleted my entries but they are still being propagated from there
up_the_irons: you should peer with Comcast
ballen: don't i wish
One large Django app, many small django apps for me
mike-burns: did your predecessors understand how indexes in a rdbms are supposed to work? :-/
have to hit level3 and mzima before Arp
ballen: i'm ready and willing, but they'll give me the finger ;)
william```: Absolutely.
i envy you :(
ballen: i will probably get level3 direct next year
whys that, seems like generally everyone should be willing to peer
ballen: but it's not like the mzima hop really adds much
william```: We don't believe that indexes are an optimization; we believe that it is a bug to leave them out.
also peer with Es.net :-)
mike-burns: i found a query that would occasionally run via a cronjob on our site that did a table scan of 26 million rows
took 500-600 seconds to run
Ha.
ballen: ah, no.  there's a lot of politics to it.  the smaller networks will peer, yes, no problem.  but larger ones want minimum traffic, ratio requirements, etc...
hmm
ballen: es.net i think is pay to play
hmm, shouldn't be all their main goal is to serve the DOE labs
ballen: but i thought one of _my_ peers already peered with them, so it was like one more hop
yea es.net to you is quite fast
es.net to comcast is slow
which is annoying as hell
anyone ever play with GridFTP
ballen: i might have been thinking of someone else.  es.net appears to have open peering now that i looked it up, but they are not on any exchange that i'm on
yea Es.net should be fairly cool, if you ever need to get a hold of anyone there let me know
ah, PacificWave was pay to play, and they have ESnet as a member
ballen: sure, i will, thanks
up_the_irons: dns should be fixed
heh
er
nvm
www still has 2
wtf
dns caching is a bitch
wild
actually, caches in general are a bitch
7:30 already.. time to go home
anyone in Cisco world know when the 2960S switches will be available?
"There are only two hard problems in Computer Science: cache invalidation and naming things." - Phil Karlton
and random number generation
you don't want to be in a state of sin, do you? :)
Is sin a state between solid and liquid?
"Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin." --John von Neumann
:)
Ha, well played.
speaking of that, i have this thing called an "entropy key"
which keeps your entropy pool on linux systems maxed out
using an overloaded transistor or something
Sounds fancy.
i should get that freebsd driver book and write a driver for it :)
it substantially decreases ssh/ssl handshake times
I had no idea. Faster things are nice; you should do that.
when i have some free time :(
william```: what is free time?
what i have too much stuff slated for ;)
If you have stuff slated to used it, is it still time that is free?
hmm, good point
i guess it's more "personal time" than anything
lol
http://www.entropykey.co.uk/
neat idea
yeah, it's cool
boot off an ubuntu live cd, install that, dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda
then the system doesn't have to fill its own entropy pool with psuedorandom data
so overwriting a disk with random data takes hours, not days :P
I never really do that
I can't recall ever selling a harddrive
i iamgine most people who don't do full disk encryption don't
They die before that
imagine*
Ah, yeah, I don't do that
Full disk encryption is generally a pain in the ass
my laptop isn't a security risk, all it has is personal code on it
ballen++
we use WinMagic SecureDoc
which appears to do what it advertises
only a marginal slow down in a new Macbook
pgp's wde is pretty nice, too
yea
i've only used it on osx, though
work laptop :)
yep
the fact that you're forced to use AES-256 makes me uncomfortale though
uncomfortable, even
i use encrypted disk images
coming from the dude who trusts his rng to an overloaded transistor? ;)
well, it's more random than the alternative :)
up_the_irons: have you done any 7.2 to 8.0 in place upgrdes?
ballen: I have.
assume you have to recompile all ports?
yep.
thats a pain in the balls
oh it gets worse.
even if you follow the instructions portupgrade may blow up in the middle of upgrading everything because ruby is a pile of shit.
so make sure you get a list of what it wants to upgrade ;)
that said, binary update for core software + portupgrade + manually upgrading the shit portupgrade blew up before rebuilding was successful for me.
it took way longer than I was expecting, but it worked out in the ned.
end.
yea sounds easier to just blow away the install and rebuild everything
depends on what you've got installed, I guess.
and how good your logbook is ;)
yea
I keep backups of configs etc., but unless I'm redoing things I prefer to upgrade in place.
yea
ugh... why is GridFTP such a bitch to install
no clue, first I've heard of it.
part of Globus
first I've heard of that too ;)
heh
I've done some HPC stuff before but it's always been same-site.
yea
which, as I'm sure you're aware, is way more pleasant.
GridFTP is kind of going towards being the standard of moving large datasets around across WAN
ugh, another encryption standard...
... and parallel streams from the same host? If your network actually benefits from that, you need to fix your network...
... oh, GSI is just TLS.
ballen: how well does it tolerate high latency?
not sure yet
trying to get it installed to test it out
what are you using it for, if I may pry?
going to see if it helps with moving datasets ranging from 500MB-4GB from New Mexico to bay area
others are using it for much larger data sets
people that want to max out 10G links
well not want, need
jdoe: no portmaster love?
fink: I dunno. I've been using portupgrade since it got pushed out there as the GREAT NEW THING TO USE. I never thought about switching.
jdoe: i used to use it; i've had much better luck with portmaster
minimal deps too
ballen: if you're just copying shit from point A to point B, try openssh with the performance patch.
ballen: http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/
yea I know
no love? That worked well for me.
fink: it still depends on ruby doesn't it?
getting collaborators to patch openssh is somewhat difficult
no
jdoe: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=6078
ballen: more difficult then getting them to install this though? :)
hah, as its looking right now, no
any idea if the server has to be patched or just the client?
fink: that's cool. For critical things like package management I prefer tried and true though :P
ballen: both I think.
ballen: it's been a while since I looked at the patch, but iirc it adds/modifies ciphers (so you could send stuff plaintext if you *really* wanted to, for example) as well as adjusts buffering.
yea
supposedly it allows SSH to make use of multi-cores
still, it's not like they need to REPLACE anything to use it or anything crazy like that.
just run it as a second instance on 2222 or something and go nuts.
yea fun thing is to push anything like this I'll have to write a whole case study and run it through my management, who while have to lend their support to even get the slightest chance of this happening
which isn't so bad
yeah, but you're going to have to do that with whichever you pick, presumably.
yea
we're currently using ol' fashioned rsync
not even over ssh
portmaster is great
in particular, it isn't written in ruby
ballen: ... not secret data, huh :P
nah
CESSMASTER: believe me, I appreciate that. I'm just wary of change.
oh well it'll be easy enough to test out OpenSSH with and without patch using Arpnetworks, roughly close enough and roughly same bandwidth
then you should be wary of a program written in ruby, wait til that mickey mouse club changes some stupid shit
aren't we just a bunch of ruby haters
CESSMASTER: in fairness, ruby is relatively stable, you want to bitch about rails ;)
the core language is more stable than python, at least :P
wonder how long it'll be before that bites *buntu in the ass.
suppose this means I'll need to swap out dropbear on my vps now
well no, you could just build openssh in your homedir or something, run it on some other port...
... but really? dropbear on a vps?
hah yea
weird.
look at how much memory it uses compared to openssh
at one point was trying to squeeze every ounce of memory
however you should know the $PATH is hard coded in drop bear and no it doesn't give a shit what your .profile does
memory's never really been that big a concern for me on a vps.
256MB goes a very long way.
run a few Rails projects, a postfix + postgrey + dovecot mail setup and it gets used up quick
however after moving to Sinatra
its really not a big deal
vps server?
stock?
?
ballen: I blame rails. I've done the same (minus postgrey, plus spamassassin), just nginx+php instead of rails. Did very well under load.
yea
Sinatra + Redis backend
rocks the socks
as it were
at one point has postfix + dspam + dovecot + PostgreSQL
the first three were using SQL based data
for users, etc
waaay overkill
yeah
dspam is great if you're memory conscious though.
vps is stock?
my vps?
yea postgrey is better
ballen: I think he's asking if he can order
ballen: or if they're still done.
ah
total disagree on postgrey though, btw
whys that
catches most spam
I hate greylisting.
it's annoying, it gets in the way, and it still lets a lot of spam through
with almost no overhead
yeah, that's why I nolist
yea I used that and what ever one list was
zero overhead, zero delay, catches about as much as greylisting did for me.
yea, just migrated to Google Apps
yeah...
that's a pretty compelling argument
don't have to worry a damn bit about it now
haha.
I just don't like google having my mail.
true
it knows enough about me already :P
also true
I want a vps server, as I can pay for it
then by all means place an order
jdoe: http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2007-09-17-n72.html
that'll make your confidence in google go down even more
albiet its fiction
and how to order, the site says it is just stock vps?
not a big Doctorow fan, but I've read that before. Yeah, I know.
haha.
jdoe: you use dspam on freebsd?
hmm it does appear we out of stock
spamassasin + amavis just eats up memory like crazy
fink: once upon a time.
feel free to email preorder@arpnetworks.com with what you want to be put on the waiting list
fink: right now I just use SA because I'm lazy, don't care on that machine,e tc.
also, it has more than enough ram for a couple perl procs.
i like that postgrey doesn't use a lot of memory
corey doctorow is insufferable
hah, I think he's a good read
fun fiction for the most part
fink: nolisting uses even less ;)
jdoe what if your list goes bat shit or gets hacked though ;-)
his fiction is unremarkable dreck, nothing too wrong with it
his blogs and other shit make me hope a bus hits him
ahahah
ballen: no no
now thats not nice
ballen: nolisting isn't a list.
boingboing is the worst
ah
thats clever
nolisting is when you point your primary mx at an ip address that can never receive email. Just pick an IP you own, reject all traffic to port 25
ballen, thanks for help =)
very.
for anything that doesn't implement retries, you get them... so you get most of the benefit of greylisting at zero cost
CRowen no prob, sorry theres nothing available at the moment. If you're in here when up_the_irons is around he can give you an idea of an ETA
jdoe, I actually really like that
any idea if its more effective than greylisting
the bbc world news' asia business correspondent is so horribly upbeat
it's not going to be better, the best you can hope for is as-good-as, because they both target the same kind of bot, right?
... but I mean, I tried it myself for a while.
and I was getting more-or-less equal numbers.
... and having my email actually come through immediately was a real perk.
hmm
indeed
just wondering if spammers started figuring out the greylisting trick and started to account for it
sure, some do.
anyone have hands on experience with EMC CX-120 or Dell's Equalogic arrays ?
nein.
need some central storage at work, not sold on the Dell stuff yet but its cheaper
that and iSCSI over FiberChannel
Dell only supports iSCSI
well I'm sold on the openssh patch, on my crappy comcast upload, 249KB/s to 346KB/s
what ssh patch?
http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/
cool thanks
np
I'll let you all know what its capable of doing on a real connection after tomorrow
so the real question is why in the hell haven't these patches made it back into OpenSSH proper
openbsd people
ah good point, Theo
http://marc.info/?l=openssh-unix-dev&m=114334841829392&w=2
indeed
so I could see where parallel transfers would benefit networks that have mutli-paths to the destination
I was thinking lan not wan
ah yea
LAN isn't really an issue
only issue is CPU overhead of encryption with scp/sftp
if you don't care, you can disable it with that patch
there's a null cipher you can specify.
yea, or the multi-core path
patch
well, yeah, but if you don't need to encrypt the data, why bother?
most of my LAN data transferring if NFSv4 though
is*
oh god fucking damnit
fuck you domainsatcost and your shitty fucking javascript interface.
heh
ballen: never done a 7.2 -> 8.0 in place upgrade
up_the_irons: k
bed time, k bye
man that's annoying.
I find ballens name funny. "balle" is slang for penis in Swedish. ballen = The penis
I assume it's Bob, Bill, Barry, whatever Allen
jdoe: No shit, sherlock :)