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[01:05] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [01:17] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [01:19] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [01:50] *** LT has joined #arpnetworks [02:40] Well I am sort of in my system lol [02:41] kernel doesn't seem to provide virtio out of box [02:41] but I got my bootloader setup right... so now it is just a matter of getting my kernel setup righ [03:41] *** Wraithan has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2-rc1) [03:59] *** Wraithan has joined #arpnetworks [04:00] on my ARP vps [04:00] sort of :) [04:00] exit [04:00] *** Wraithan has quit IRC (Client Quit) [04:08] *** Wraithan has joined #arpnetworks [04:08] *** Wraithan has quit IRC (Client Quit) [04:10] *** Wraithan has joined #arpnetworks [04:11] kernels take entirely too long to compile [04:36] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [04:37] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [05:14] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [05:37] Wraithan: bummer [05:54] *** LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [06:08] *** cedwards has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [06:15] *** cedwards has joined #arpnetworks [07:18] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [07:30] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [08:37] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [08:38] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [08:39] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [09:13] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [09:14] Well I am on my ARP vps, chrooted in from the liveCD and it is running fine lol [09:14] Hopefully I'll hace an hour or two tonight to get it working the rest of the way [12:00] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [12:04] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [12:08] *** Wraithan is now known as wizzo`s_fizzo [12:21] Jeez you guys talk too much, I can hardly keep up with the conversations [12:21] slow it down already! [12:22] sorry :( [12:24] *** wizzo`s_fizzo is now known as Wraithan [12:24] forgot I changed my nick [12:24] <.< [12:43] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [13:31] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [13:41] a [13:41] whoops [13:45] Uhm. Why did this ice cream taste like snus? [13:45] That [13:45] That's horrible [13:46] What's nu? [13:46] Oh, you're american? :D [13:46] But you have snus in the states nowadays [13:46] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus [13:47] Ha, I assumed you were making a pun along the likes of "my roommate is wearing her updog around the apartment". [13:47] Uhm. Why did this ice cream taste like anus? [13:47] Wat? [13:47] But you have anus in the states nowadays [13:48] CESSMASTER: Perhaps you had it in your anus? [13:48] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anus [13:48] *** nukeAFK has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [13:48] Haha. [13:48] nsfw probably [13:48] oh, not anymore [13:48] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_anus [13:48] :D [13:48] there used to be an actual photo of a human anus [13:49] There are two nowadays [13:49] Didn't you see the discussion about that? [13:49] no [13:49] Some people didn't want a shaved ass because it didn't look natural [13:49] And some didn't want a male anus [13:49] hahahahhahaha [13:50] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Human_anus [13:50] There [13:50] :) [13:50] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Human_anus#Endless_image_contention [13:50] More like that [13:51] That would bring it around full circle to where it's been a couple of years. We had a cropped, shaved, bleached porn-anus in this article for a while, it was determined unsuitable (and a copyvio) and replaced with the current hairy man-hole. All we need is a neutral-looking and not-overly-hairy, suitable for an anatomy text [13:51] I have actually considered taking a photo of my own anus for the article (as far as I am aware, mine is pretty typical) just to put an end to this. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be able to hold the camera at the right angle to get a decent shot. :( If you take a close look at the 'porn' anus in hi-res, it doesn't actually appear to have been shaved or bleached. [13:52] Yeah [13:52] I think you get it [13:52] please remove picture of male anus and replace with female anus Fartbarker 22:44, 28 January 2007 (UTC [13:52] hahahahahahahaha [13:52] This arguement is ridiculous....if you don't want to see an anus, be it male or female or hairy or not so hairy...um don't come to this page? Yeah...now if you want to see a female anus to masturbate to for whatever reason, how bout you go find a porn site? The gender of the person with the anus does not matter. An anus is an anus is anus. Deal with it. Don't want to see it, ... [13:53] ... don't go to the anus page... [13:53] Are aliens coming to this page? Anyone from the animal kingdom who isn't human? We don't need photos of anuses, ok? We just simply do not. It's gratuitous, inappropriate, nearing pornographic and quite ridiculous. Everyone has an anus and they know what it looks like. If an image is *absolutely* necessary, i think i diagram or drawing would suffice. 71.232.108.228 07:01, 23 ... [13:53] Er [13:53] ... March 2007 (UTC) [13:53] Hahahaha [13:53] if folks want to read it [13:53] they can go to the page. [13:54] They can? [13:54] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sex_drawings_by_User:Seedfeeder this is what i was talking about [13:54] half of these aren't even linked to a wikipedia article [13:54] they probably were. [13:55] after they went through the first copyright violation/sharia law purge, they replaced a lot of the sex article pictures with drawings (and occasionally in non-human flesh tones) [13:55] I think they stopped doing that. [13:56] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Human_anus#Artificial_anus <- Haha, read that :D [13:58] *** nukeAFK has joined #arpnetworks [14:07] http://www.wolfire.com/humble [14:20] *** vtoms has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [14:31] * jdoe stabs dns. [14:33] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [14:42] *** sroute has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0) [14:48] *** amdprophet has joined #arpnetworks [14:48] *** amdprophet has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:33] *** nukeAFK has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [15:51] *** william``` has joined #arpnetworks [16:37] * cedwards steps away for the afternoon and comes back to talk of anuses. wtf. [16:41] A thing that is a bit problematic (could just be configuration stuff from what I am reading) is that my VPS is only showing one core? [16:42] Wraithan: both of mine show the same [16:43] :( [16:45] The dual 4 core servers made me think I'd have multiple cores, even if it was 2-4 (4 seems standard these days for VPS) [16:45] don't arpnetworks vps only have a single cpu? [16:45] Yeah, just found that out [16:45] which could be problematic [16:46] little weird if you're used to linode/slicehost [16:46] :) [16:46] unfortunately, neither of those offer bsd... [16:46] * Wraithan doesn't care about the BSD offerings lol [16:47] up_the_irons: So the servers are multi-core but the VPSs only get access to a single core? [16:52] brb [16:52] *** Wraithan has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3-dev) [16:53] *** Wraithan has joined #arpnetworks [16:56] I understand it as a single, dedicated core whereas the others are multiple, shared cores. [17:01] Yes, but having it as a single rather than multiple means if I go to compile a package I could bring my webservices to a halt/crawl [17:02] you can nice the compilation process [17:02] give it a priority of 20 [17:02] I have to make sure I do anything that could be detrimental as nice, which is a hassle [17:02] it's not a dedicated core, is it? [17:02] *** ballen has joined #arpnetworks [17:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ballen [17:02] presumably it's a ... single core that you get some slice of as determined by scheduling on the host. [17:02] william```: Yes I know but I compile packages weekly, among other things that are CPU intensive [17:03] why do you have to compile things weekly? o.O [17:03] are you running gentoo or something? :) [17:04] No, but I run cutting edge on several packages [17:04] ... or freebsd, or openbsd ;) [17:06] Every 3 weeks is a new kernel release, that I will have to compile, I am running trunk of python 2.7 for a couple of my projects, and trunk of python 3.2 for some other stuff [17:06] ouch [17:07] Once 2.7 is official I wont have to compile it anymore, but until then I need to be tested against the latest so I can confidently push a release on 2.7 as soon as 2.7 is stable. [17:07] I compile all my ports on FreeBSD and I haven't seen any issues yet. [17:08] Does your system default to nice'ing the compilation? [17:10] Btw, recompiled kernel makes my system work 100% [17:10] what was happening before you recompiled it? [17:11] hanging because virtio was a module, not compiled in. [17:13] :( [17:16] scp is amazing :) [17:17] rsync is more amazing? [17:22] not the same thing [17:30] *** nukeAFK has joined #arpnetworks [17:35] *** Wraithan1 has joined #arpnetworks [17:35] *** Wraithan1 has quit IRC (Client Quit) [17:36] *** Wraithan1 has joined #arpnetworks [17:39] *** Wraithan has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2-rc1) [17:42] *** Wraithan1 is now known as Wraithan [17:45] *** schmir has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [17:48] *** nukeAFK has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [17:57] *** Nat_UB has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [18:03] *** Nat_UB has joined #arpnetworks [18:03] *** nukeAFK has joined #arpnetworks [18:27] so I'm playing around with FreeBSD in KVM locally. Can anyone tell me how to activate console access, like is available at ARP? [18:27] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: BAMPF!) [18:30] cedwards: Think he uses an actual serial console...but I know zero details [18:30] :) [18:31] cedwards: -serial telnet:127.0.0.1:,server,nowait [18:31] cedwards: then telnet to localhost and that port [18:31] Or that.... hehehe [18:32] Nat_UB: looks like an actual serial console, doesn't it? ;) [18:32] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [18:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [18:32] yes...rather neat implementation [18:32] thanks [18:33] I credit toddf for pointing me in the right direction and providing hints / tips [18:40] looks like I'm close based on this: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/serialconsole-setup.html [18:40] I can see the boot output, but can't yet login. [18:43] *** nukeAFK has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [18:44] cedwards: you need to run a getty on /dev/ttyu0 [18:44] or ttyd0 (FreeBSD 7.2 and below) [18:45] that might be my problem. I setup ttyd0, but I'm running 8.0. [18:46] I'll try ttyu0 [18:46] 8.0 uses uart(4) by default, not sio(4), so yeah, you'll need ttyu0 [18:46] (I'm testing this on Ubuntu 10.04 using virsh console and virt-manager) [18:46] nice [18:47] should have the serial fix in it then, and you'll have no problems [18:48] Edit /etc/ttys and change off to on and dialup to vt100 for the ttyd0 entry. Otherwise a password will not be required to connect via the serial console, resulting in a potential security hole. [18:48] that is from the handbook. you say just change ttyd0 to ttyu0 and it should work for 8.0? [18:48] yes [18:49] handbook must not be updated for 8.0 yet [18:49] up_the_irons: the VPSs are all single core? [18:49] Wraithan: yes, unless you order more ($2 per core) [18:50] Ah I was not aware... maybe I didn't notice [18:50] up_the_irons: would I send an email to support@ in order to request the extra(s)? [18:51] most are happy with just a single core [18:51] Wraithan: yup [18:51] what is the max number of cores you can have on a single vps? [18:51] Heh, i use my vps for multiple things, which need the ability to be spread out on different cores [18:51] for documentation sake: I added 'console="comconsole"' to /boot/loader.conf and made the above change to /etc/ttys. [18:52] william```: 8 [18:52] so that is baseline vps price + $14 (7 additional cores) per month? [18:53] cedwards: i find it a little easier to just "echo "-D" > /boot.config" [18:54] william```: yes [18:54] cool, noted :) [18:54] np [18:54] what is the average response time for support tickets? [18:54] i'm looking to migrate off of linode to arpnetworks entirely [18:54] william```: depends on the request [18:55] root pass reset :-) [18:55] up_the_irons: ohh, now you tell me. pfft. [18:55] up_the_irons: do you guys cater? [18:55] vps reset (format / reinstall) is usually like 24 / 48 hours [18:55] * fink is hankering for some choco cupcakes [18:55] up_the_irons: it requires a reinstall to reset the root pass? o.O [18:55] william```: not applicable -- you can reset your root password on your own in single-user mode -- http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/vps/what-is-supported [18:56] fink: only cupcakes [18:56] oh, great [18:56] thanks [18:56] william```: no no, just giving an example of support request ;) [18:56] i'll make sure i log in more than once every 1.5 months so i don't forget in the future :) [18:56] i still do 99% of my stuff on linode :-/ [18:56] lamenode [18:56] LOL [18:56] they're ok, but... linux [18:56] * william``` stabs himself in the face [18:57] never used them, but hear they are a pretty decent provider [18:57] probably one of the top [18:57] having choice of five datacenters is cool [18:57] i bet [18:57] and their support is good [18:57] they need to move away from xen though or they'll be stuck on dying tech [18:57] yeah, their higher prices can afford staff :) [18:58] cedwards: yes, srsly [18:58] haha, not a jibe, just an observation :-) [18:58] if you guys had cupcakes you would leave lamenode in the lamelagoon [18:58] we've been talking a lot about virtualization at work and I've simply told them to wait until kvm is well-done. [18:58] no point in starting things out on xen, and having to rebuild later. [18:59] cedwards: we are using kvm at work right now [18:59] william```: right, didn't take it as a jibe, was also just observing ;) [18:59] :) [18:59] Wraithan: I just got a Dell R900 to start testing with. [19:02] up_the_irons: so I removed my previous changes and tried simply "-D" in /boot.config. The console stalls out at trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a [19:02] cedwards: that's probably just the end of it writing; the next will be getty [19:03] We have a custom built server, pretty nice gear in it... I mainly just bring it to it's knees while I am doing a naive first pass of stuff though [19:03] go go 1600 queries to render a single page! [19:03] cedwards: i'd say kvm is already well-done. I've replaced Xen completely with KVM at this point. Things work even *better* [19:04] 1600 queries? o_o [19:04] up_the_irons: we're mostly a RHEL shop, so I've been kind of just holding out for KVM to be provided there in RHEL6 (although I think they offered it in 5.5 too) [19:05] whens RHEL6 supposed to be out? [19:05] or 5.5 for that matter [19:05] william```: you've never done a naive first pass with a ORM, without any optimization in mind? [19:05] * Wraithan ponders when RHEL will die. [19:05] * Wraithan hates it. [19:05] never will [19:05] cedwards: i c [19:05] its a decent version of Linux [19:05] No it isn't [19:05] Wraithan: i use an ORM daily :-) [19:05] especially if you have a large enterprise site license [19:06] It is the reason good projects have to support old garbage [19:06] if you have a kickstart server setup, local yum repos, etc [19:06] They still support Python 2.3 [19:06] or maybe JUST phased it out, I forget [19:06] they're plenty of ways to get around old versions [19:06] just like you would in Solaris [19:07] Yeah, typically it is hacks to make it work on old versions as well as new [19:07] it makes for shit code because you have to support something so old. [19:07] Anything RH-based gets hacked [19:08] well anything CentOS gets hacked [19:08] RH is less worse off [19:08] nah, all my RH servers got hacked, i've never run Cent [19:08] plus it has a lot of industry support as far as paid apps go [19:09] Plus (in my very limited experience with it) making RPMs SUCKS [19:09] yes RPM's are lame [19:09] just saying its not as bad as most people thing it is [19:09] as is most things [19:09] *** nukeAFK has joined #arpnetworks [19:09] think* [19:09] I'm just saying setups like RHEL are part of the reason why technology isn't moving forward as fast as it could. [19:10] making RPMs sucks, but so does making .deb's [19:10] they all suck [19:10] up_the_irons: that is why you make PKGBUILDs [19:10] they don't suck [19:10] been meaning to look into Arch Linux pacman stuff; it seems a lot simpler [19:10] Arch is good [19:10] and yes pacman is wicked simple [19:10] but [19:10] Arch is bleeding edge [19:10] no matter what [19:10] compat be damned [19:11] ballen: http://www.archserver.org/ [19:11] i like *BSD package stuff as well, since they are mainly just tarballs [19:11] up_the_irons: arch recently moved to using tar.xz's for packaging :) [19:11] tiny downloads [19:11] nice [19:11] arch server is interesting, but if I really have my choice I'd just pick FreeBSD [19:12] no reason to use Linux [19:12] for most things [19:12] I've never (directly) used *BSD and could say the same thing about it. [19:12] it's all about taste [19:12] Yup [19:12] well theres certainly ease of use [19:13] and FreeBSD has a lot of that [19:13] I said something smart the other about it [19:13] ballen: yeah but FreeBSD is difficult for those who are used to something else [19:13] everything is hard when you don't invest the time [19:13] if you learn it, it becomes easy [19:14] :) [19:14] hah, yeah buy X is difficult for those who are used to something else [19:14] Arch is very easy! [19:14] but* [19:14] L( [19:14] :) [19:14] ballen: yeah [19:14] http://www.lessthanthreesoftware.com [19:14] now running on ARP [19:15] ease of use is relative to the user, let's just put it that way [19:15] so, again, it comes down to taste [19:15] true [19:15] up_the_irons: put in the request for the extra cores :) [19:15] I find windows hard to use. [19:15] meh whatever, use whatever the hell ya want [19:15] Same with OSX [19:15] is my opinion [19:15] my hands don't flow! [19:15] (nor does the spice) [19:15] unless it affects my production systems I don't care [19:15] osx is a fully-certified unix :-) [19:15] hehe [19:16] i love osx with macports [19:16] sudo port install slime +sbcl :-) [19:16] Eh, I use a highly customized WM... even other linux systems are hard to use [19:16] freebsd is a "real" unix, it seems to me [19:16] william```: yous a lisp hacker? [19:17] Wraithan: which WM? [19:17] up_the_irons: xmonad [19:17] i use xmonad, which is pretty geeky [19:17] LOL [19:17] :D [19:17] xmonad is da bomb [19:17] "Powerglove and Sonta Arctica" <-- typo [19:17] up_the_irons: I'm friends with dons, go to talks at his office every other week or so [19:17] Wraithan: sometimes, i'm also learning Haskell, but i write Ruby for a living [19:17] Me toO! [19:17] dons is a major dude [19:17] omg we have so much in common! [19:18] omg do you like bsd too?! [19:18] no. [19:18] omgomgomg [19:18] er [19:18] yes <.< [19:18] >.> [19:18] Ha. [19:18] like whatever! [19:19] william```: Ah, I am mostly a python coder (pays the bills) but lisp and haskell in my freetime [19:19] nice :-) [19:19] i work on a large rails application for a living [19:19] Though truth be told I like python quite a bit [19:19] lol, this is making my browser barf: [19:19] host www.lessthanthreesoftware.com [19:19] www.lessthanthreesoftware.com has address 206.125.170.2 [19:19] 160 models :| [19:19] www.lessthanthreesoftware.com has address 74.204.234.252 [19:19] william```: large django app [19:19] changing IP [19:19] I've realized that Haskell is tricky because of the non-code parts of it are foreign. Things like documentation, finding a job, socializing events, and so on are very different than what the industry is used to. [19:20] Wraithan: me = python fanboy [19:20] up_the_irons: linode is doing that, I shut off their DNS stuff but it is being bothersome [19:20] Wraithan: roger [19:20] yeah, i don't use linode's dns offerings [19:20] I used to. [19:20] i take it they're bizarre? [19:21] I work on many large Rails applications for a living. [19:21] Nah, it was pretty straightforward, but I deleted my entries but they are still being propagated from there [19:21] up_the_irons: you should peer with Comcast [19:21] ballen: don't i wish [19:21] One large Django app, many small django apps for me [19:21] mike-burns: did your predecessors understand how indexes in a rdbms are supposed to work? :-/ [19:21] have to hit level3 and mzima before Arp [19:21] ballen: i'm ready and willing, but they'll give me the finger ;) [19:21] william```: Absolutely. [19:22] i envy you :( [19:22] ballen: i will probably get level3 direct next year [19:22] whys that, seems like generally everyone should be willing to peer [19:22] ballen: but it's not like the mzima hop really adds much [19:22] william```: We don't believe that indexes are an optimization; we believe that it is a bug to leave them out. [19:22] also peer with Es.net :-) [19:22] mike-burns: i found a query that would occasionally run via a cronjob on our site that did a table scan of 26 million rows [19:23] took 500-600 seconds to run [19:23] Ha. [19:23] ballen: ah, no. there's a lot of politics to it. the smaller networks will peer, yes, no problem. but larger ones want minimum traffic, ratio requirements, etc... [19:23] hmm [19:23] ballen: es.net i think is pay to play [19:23] hmm, shouldn't be all their main goal is to serve the DOE labs [19:23] ballen: but i thought one of _my_ peers already peered with them, so it was like one more hop [19:24] yea es.net to you is quite fast [19:24] es.net to comcast is slow [19:24] which is annoying as hell [19:25] anyone ever play with GridFTP [19:25] ballen: i might have been thinking of someone else. es.net appears to have open peering now that i looked it up, but they are not on any exchange that i'm on [19:26] yea Es.net should be fairly cool, if you ever need to get a hold of anyone there let me know [19:26] ah, PacificWave was pay to play, and they have ESnet as a member [19:26] ballen: sure, i will, thanks [19:27] *** nukeAFK has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [19:29] up_the_irons: dns should be fixed [19:29] heh [19:30] er [19:30] nvm [19:30] www still has 2 [19:30] wtf [19:31] dns caching is a bitch [19:31] wild [19:31] actually, caches in general are a bitch [19:31] 7:30 already.. time to go home [19:31] anyone in Cisco world know when the 2960S switches will be available? [19:32] "There are only two hard problems in Computer Science: cache invalidation and naming things." - Phil Karlton [19:33] and random number generation [19:33] you don't want to be in a state of sin, do you? :) [19:33] Is sin a state between solid and liquid? [19:34] "Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin." --John von Neumann [19:34] :) [19:34] Ha, well played. [19:37] speaking of that, i have this thing called an "entropy key" [19:37] which keeps your entropy pool on linux systems maxed out [19:37] using an overloaded transistor or something [19:37] Sounds fancy. [19:37] i should get that freebsd driver book and write a driver for it :) [19:37] it substantially decreases ssh/ssl handshake times [19:38] I had no idea. Faster things are nice; you should do that. [19:38] when i have some free time :( [19:41] william```: what is free time? [19:41] what i have too much stuff slated for ;) [19:42] If you have stuff slated to used it, is it still time that is free? [19:42] hmm, good point [19:42] i guess it's more "personal time" than anything [19:42] lol [19:42] http://www.entropykey.co.uk/ [19:42] neat idea [19:43] yeah, it's cool [19:43] boot off an ubuntu live cd, install that, dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda [19:44] then the system doesn't have to fill its own entropy pool with psuedorandom data [19:44] so overwriting a disk with random data takes hours, not days :P [19:44] I never really do that [19:44] I can't recall ever selling a harddrive [19:44] *** amdprophet has joined #arpnetworks [19:44] i iamgine most people who don't do full disk encryption don't [19:44] They die before that [19:44] imagine* [19:45] Ah, yeah, I don't do that [19:45] Full disk encryption is generally a pain in the ass [19:45] my laptop isn't a security risk, all it has is personal code on it [19:45] ballen++ [19:45] we use WinMagic SecureDoc [19:45] which appears to do what it advertises [19:46] only a marginal slow down in a new Macbook [19:46] pgp's wde is pretty nice, too [19:46] yea [19:46] i've only used it on osx, though [19:46] work laptop :) [19:46] yep [19:47] the fact that you're forced to use AES-256 makes me uncomfortale though [19:47] uncomfortable, even [19:52] * jdoe shrugs. [19:52] *** nukeAFK has joined #arpnetworks [19:52] i use encrypted disk images [19:52] coming from the dude who trusts his rng to an overloaded transistor? ;) [19:52] *** jahshua has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [19:53] well, it's more random than the alternative :) [19:53] *** aem has joined #arpnetworks [19:54] *** aem is now known as jahshua [20:02] *** mtve has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [20:04] *** mtve has joined #arpnetworks [20:05] *** jahshua has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [20:14] *** boogeyman has joined #arpnetworks [20:16] *** jahshua has joined #arpnetworks [20:17] *** jahshua is now known as nesta [20:20] up_the_irons: have you done any 7.2 to 8.0 in place upgrdes? [20:27] *** nukeAFK has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:31] *** william``` has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [20:32] ballen: I have. [20:32]