[00:40] hmm [01:04] *** LT has joined #arpnetworks [01:53] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [03:31] *** Jestre has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [03:38] *** infrared has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [03:39] *** infrared has joined #arpnetworks [03:43] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [03:46] *** Jestre has joined #arpnetworks [04:58] *** homosaur has joined #arpnetworks [05:16] *** homosaur has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [05:35] ok - that's odd. Neil's VPS froze at 1am, would ping but wasn't running cron jobs or TCP connections [05:35] and it was nmap'able, but didn't connect [05:35] as in, nmap showed the right tcp ports open, but none of them did anything [05:35] had to hard-reboot [05:36] I wonder if ZFS went nuts [05:36] strange [05:36] that's the only thing we're probably doing unusual there [05:36] ZFS on a 768k machine :) [05:36] I haven't had problems on my 2G machine, with a lot more traffic [05:39] well now I'm hoping I didn't cause myself problems by jumping on that bandwagon. [05:40] I think it's the 768 size. I get a lot more traffic on my 2G box, and it hasn't done this [05:40] might just require tuning some zfs parms too [05:41] ... http://wiki.freebsd.org/ZFSTuningGuide [05:42] ... On memory constrained systems it is safer to use an arbitrarily low arc_max. For example it is possible to set vm.kmem_size and vm.kmem_size_max to 512M, vfs.zfs.arc_max to 160M, keeping vfs.zfs.vdev.cache.size to half its default size of 10 Megs (setting it to 5 Megs can even achieve better stability, but this depends upon your workload). [05:42] I think I'll try that [05:44] let us know how it works. [05:46] actually - it looks like zfs automatically did that [05:46] those numbers are close to what the current conf is [05:50] *** sroute has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [05:51] *** sroute has joined #arpnetworks [05:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sroute [05:59] I'm getting 'socket failed: Protocol not supported' trying to start lighttpd in my jail. [05:59] I'm guessing I need to loosen the jail restriction to allow that? (it's been so long since I setup a web server in a jail) [06:02] looks like this helps: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/freebsd-jail-allow-ping-tracerouter-commands/ [06:02] also don't want to allow all jails, just specific one [07:01] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:08] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [07:29] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [07:29] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [07:51] *** nbari|away is now known as nbari [07:51] well, I ordered the FreeBSD VPS last night with block of 5 ip's. This should be fun :) [07:52] jwfoxjr: welcome! :) [07:52] Hi, any email or phone where i contact some one from supports [07:52] i have been emaling since yesterday but no answer yet [07:53] cedwards: I figured it was appropriate to order it yesterday since it was the Lucid Lynx launch :) [07:53] nbari: support@arpnetworks.com is usually the best way. I generally expect a 12hr or so turnaround. [07:53] nbari: is there something we can help you with in the interim? [07:54] I have an issue with a reverse DNS [07:54] they have to set the delegatin [07:54] now I keep checking my email constantly for the Welcome package. Can't wait to start building out my ZFS enabled system [07:55] my wife will become a BSD widow for the next few days :) [07:55] well, it is the weekend after all [07:58] well i emai 2 days ago [07:59] nbari: not sure what to tell you, other than maybe we can help? [08:00] maybe a good email system for arpnetworks could help :) [08:01] at the moment everything is going perfect with the servers but just imagine i really hade an issue with the server [08:01] the response time is frustrating, I know this service is more for experienced users but what do you do when the ball is not on your side and need to fix somethig quick (lees 24hrs) ? [08:03] VNC [08:03] And I assume up_the_irons prioritizes responses based on priority. [08:04] i have to admint that VNC really is exellent [08:04] is like having your own dedicated servers [08:06] yeah. vnc has helped me solve quite a few of my little.. mishaps. [08:18] That vnc thingy sucks for me :D [08:18] I can't type slash, pipe or any other special (Useful) character (that I actually need) [08:18] |o| [08:19] dxtr: what client/OS? [08:19] same happend to me (mac os) [08:19] dxtr: what vnc client are you using? Is it a keyboard mapping issue? [08:19] cedwards: WinXP, tightvnc and ultravnc [08:19] dxtr: I rebuilt two boxes over VNC using JollysFastVNC on OSX. [08:19] but used a full keyboard and could type the / [08:19] nbari: "full" keyboard? [08:20] dxtr: I've been using just plain old vnc client and it's worked fine. Same thing I use for work. [08:20] the one with the numbers at the right [08:21] dxtr: VNC Viewer Free Edition 4.1.2 for windows [08:23] jwfoxjr: I prefer tight or ultra [08:24] *** amdprophet has joined #arpnetworks [08:24] dxtr: you may prefer them, but they may introduce incompatibilites. This just from my experience. [08:25] I didn't have any keyboard issues [08:26] using JollysFastVNC ? [08:28] I opened the VNC but can not type tye | [08:29] nbari: regarding support request time; emergency support issues are provided for network / host down issues only. reverse DNS is based on priority and i've just replied to your ticket, in which you did not set up your side correctly ;) [08:29] and I will not provide support for how to do RFC 2317 delegation, you can read the RFC :) [08:30] ok thanks for the reply [08:30] let me check the email [08:31] np [08:38] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [08:39] *** LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [09:28] RandalSchwartz: you're crazy running zfs on a vps :) [09:29] i am runiing zfs and so far everything going very well [09:30] space is much optimized [09:31] jdoe: explain? [09:34] cedwards: freebsd's implementation still has some problems even with large amounts of memory, let alone low specs. [09:34] worse, the failure mode seems to be "Eh, lock the machine." [09:34] ... I'm glad it works for him, I just think he's nuts ;) [09:34] Where did you read this? [09:35] read... what? [09:36] That it still has some problems even with large amounts of memory, let alone low specs. [09:36] bear in mind I'm defining "large" as like... 4g, when I realize that isn't, really. [09:37] mailing lists, people I know. [09:37] OK. [09:37] on the other hand, fbsd calls it stable now, so there are obviously a lot of people it works for. [09:37] filesystems that might misbehave make me nervous though. [09:50] *** nbari is now known as nbari|away [10:01] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [11:08] I think that is the reason most Linux people/distros can't seem to move away from ext. [11:08] everyone is too afraid to use it, therefore it never matures. repeat. [11:09] I theorize that Linux people are more adventurous than BSD people. [11:10] I was surprised that BSD just has ufs after coming from Linux and having a dozen choices. [11:10] ..although those dozen choices never were used. the largest change I ever made was ext3->ext4. [11:10] Linux is mostly stuff that few people use, from what I've seen. [11:12] question: I'm still new to zfs. If I made a zfs-based jail at 5G and later want to expand it, how do I do that? [11:47] cedwards: look at the alternative though. [11:47] you end up with things like reiserfs (for a good time, fsck a reiserfs system that has a reiserfs disk image on it ;)) or the drama with ext4 losing data because of programmers' expectations [11:48] most of the extra filesystems are niche or contributed by some ubercorp (JFS, XFS) [11:49] yeah. xfs has specific uses. jfs has specific uses. reiserfs is.. in prison. [11:50] er, jfs/xfs are general purpose filesystems. [11:50] for niche I was thinking more like unionfs, cramfs etc. [11:51] * jdoe shrugs [12:14] *** nbari|away has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [12:25] *** nbari|away has joined #arpnetworks [12:29] Ack! [12:29] Wraithan: what's up [12:29] I have the time today so I was going to buy a vps and y'all are sold out! [12:32] oh are they? I wonder if I got in under the wire or not. [12:33] yeah. up_the_irons did mention the other day that orders would be closed right about May. [12:34] ah. I put one in yesterday morning, got the "24-48 hours" email, so I guess we'll see. [12:34] fingers crossed [12:38] wow - glad I got my order in last night. [12:41] glad I picked up my second one when I did :) (but I knew this was coming, so I jumped on it) [12:43] jwfoxjr: who knows, maybe we missed it ;) [12:43] I dunno - I got the 24-48 hour email as well. We may have made it in just before the cutoff [12:44] there's a cutoff? [12:44] did I miss something? [12:44] RandalSchwartz: no more orders at ARP website. [12:45] RandalSchwartz: when they run out of hardware resources they shut off ordering [12:45] RandalSchwartz: up_the_irons did mention expansion and other work pending, so no new orders for the month of May. [12:45] Heh! good for them! [12:45] yeah. [12:45] see, I told him it'd be good to have me on board. :) [12:45] yeah, see what your word of mouth did? :P [12:46] I like the fact that they don't over-subscribe the hardware... [12:47] I'm more curious about kvm version. Apparently the openbsd workaround in their FAQ isn't necessary on newer versions using seabios instead of bochs [12:47] must be what they're running then [12:47] ? [12:50] eh? [12:51] jdoe... doesn't help to just go "?" :) [12:52] well there are two equally plausible options, they're running an older version, or they're not and the faq entry is stagnant [12:58] I can confirm that on the server where my vps is on, you still have to disable mpbios [12:59] I don't know if he runs the same kvm version on all hosts [13:08] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [13:21] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [13:36] Everyone who received an order confirmation email _will_ get a VPS, despite the sold out message I put up this morning. <-- jdoe jwfoxjr others? :) [13:36] Wraithan: email preorder@arpnetworks.com; stuff usually opens up, just not enough for me to keep the regular order page going [13:37] up_the_irons: What should I email to that, my full information (CC, billing address, etc) or just ask to be put on the list? [13:38] jdoe: the thing with seabios is, there is no handy "Press F12 to pick boot device" option, as far as I can tell. very annoying. [13:39] DaCa: jdoe : same kvm version on all hosts, for now. I like to repeat what works :) [13:39] Wraithan: just ask to be put on the list [13:40] Wraithan: i'll email u a special order link when space opens up [13:40] up_the_irons: ok thank you [13:42] Wraithan: np [13:42] up_the_irons: sent, hopefully I'll be able to shut down my linode soon [13:43] Wraithan: awesome, thanks [13:44] back to work now :) [14:00] *** schmir has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [14:02] I've been working on migrating my Linode all day long. [14:02] trying to get it done before new billing starts tomorrow! :) [14:07] *** hsbt has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [14:08] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [14:19] up_the_irons: awesome, thanks [14:19] up_the_irons: re: bios, oh yeah? Never actually tried it, I was just reading through the some-user-vs-theo thread about how KVM is broken, OBSD is the holiest of holies, blah blah blah. [14:21] jdoe: oh GAWD [14:21] i like OpenBSD but I can't stand Theo... [14:22] of COURSE he'd say KVM is broken [14:22] anything but OpenBSD is broken to those guys [14:24] theo's a little sociopath [14:24] toddf is like the only nice guy I've seen in the OpenBSD community, no joke; and i'm not saying that just cuz he's here [14:24] I was about to make some comment about theo being impossibly rude for a canadian, but it turns out he was born in south africa [14:25] and lives in calgary, which isn't really canada [14:25] he's HELPFUL and the serial port feature of our SSH-based VM management console was made possible because of a ton of helpful input he gave me [14:25] CESSMASTER: interesting :) [14:26] maybe he grew up in one of the townships and got robbed a lot [14:26] hehe [14:26] ok that's my spontanious rant for today, back to work... [14:29] now let me say something positive: it is absolutely bad ass how I can do a regular install of OpenBSD on a USB thumb drive and that drive now becomes three things: 1) OpenBSD "live" system (think "LiveCD" here") 2) rescue disk, 3) an OpenBSD installer [14:30] *** nbari|away is now known as nbari [14:30] maybe I should tinker more with OpenBSD, but coming from FreeBSD it just seems a less-polished version of the same product. [14:31] and I add TWO lines to /etc/boot.conf, and that system is now completely accessible over serial. the live system, the rescue, and the installer. no fucking around with anything else needed [14:31] it's just differently polished [14:31] in the sense of "differently abled" [14:31] you can't do that with freebsd? [14:31] can't you install an installer? [14:32] and from the installer, I say "yes" to active com0, and bam, that new system is completely accessible over serial port. no fucking around with anything else, not even /etc/ttys (it does it for you) [14:32] *** nbari has quit IRC (Changing host) [14:32] *** nbari has joined #arpnetworks [14:32] I just set up console access on my Linux VMs at work yesterday and it requires a number of changes. [14:34] RandalSchwartz: can you? I didn't find anything to guide me that way... If I do "boot -D" in FreeBSD, I get all the kernel messages over serial, great, but then the curses installer starts and that is not output over serial, only vga. so, kinda useless when i use serial for out-of-band. i'm sure i can modify something here and something there, and it'd work, but w/ OpenBSD and I didn't have [14:34] to do anything of the sort [14:34] cedwards: yep. /boot/grub/menu.lst, several lines to be edited there. then /etc/event.d/ttyS0, about a 10 line file there. [14:35] with linux it is: 1) get your ttys over serial, 2) get your kernel to output to serial, 3) get grub to output to serial [14:35] three completely disconnected tasks [14:35] up_the_irons: I've still yet to get grub to output properly, but I have all boot output and I can login. [14:35] *** schmir has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [14:35] don't get me wrong, i run linux in a lot of places; most of my systems are linux. but i can't get over the awesome simplicity of some of the things within the *BSD field [14:36] install a boot loader on linux? well, you better get your grub on [14:36] install a boot loader on FreeBSD? 'fdisk -BI '. DONE [14:36] up_the_irons: bear in mind though, Theo was right. KVM *was* broken, or at least the bochs bios was. [14:37] ... he's still an utterly insufferable asshat, but in this one specific instance he was right ;) [14:37] jdoe: oh i don't doubt it; he's probably right.. i just don't care ;) [14:38] haha. [14:38] I could have sworn I did a freebsd over serial. I know I've done a linux install over serial. [14:38] ... freebsd still has two disconnected steps for serial, one for the boot process, and then a tty for users [14:39] jdoe: yeah, i've done linux over serial a few times; but i just remember there was a lot of places to tinker [14:40] up_the_irons: can you tell us what the VPS host is running? the guess was Ubuntu, but I'm curious. [14:40] I don't really remember, most of the time it's been through a remote console that did some or all of the work for me. [14:41] cedwards: Ubuntu 9.04 [14:41] cedwards: I publish the KVM/QEMU version I use: [14:41] https://launchpad.net/~gdolley/+archive/ppa [14:42] cool [14:42] that surprises me actually. When I had xen/host related questions at linode or slicehost it was all top-secret. [14:43] usually the only thing they REALLY care about not-telling you is how many guests per box ;) [14:44] as geeks it's just as interesting to know how the system is setup. [14:44] it's not like telling me what xen/kvm version they used is going to put them out of business. like i'm suddenly going to come into a rack full of servers and support team. [14:44] cedwards: I find that hypocritical. Basically, I'm making money of software I didn't write and barely contribute to, so I *must* give back in some way. One of the ways is publishing my small changes, and the other is testing for the Ubuntu maintainers [14:45] *off [14:45] I agree, but I kinda see where they're coming from too. [14:45] if they invested X time/monies into their setup, why give that info away for free? [14:45] up_the_irons: i bet money doesn't hurt [14:45] CESSMASTER: LOL, srsly [14:46] jdoe: sure, *their* setup they can keep secret. but the things they didn't invent, they should disclose (like Xen / Linux / etc.. versions) [14:46] they should keep secret how many hamsters are spinning on treadmills :) [14:47] jdoe: I don't have to tell people what hardware I buy or how I put the network together, b/c that is stuff *I've* truely invested in (in time and dollars) [14:48] up_the_irons: right, that's what I'm saying. Not giving out versions would be weird. [14:48] jdoe: right [14:48] NO, I AGREE. [14:48] jdoe: I KNOW [14:48] ;) [14:48] HAVE THE REST OF YOU FINALLY FIGURED OUT HOW GREAT CAPSLOCK IS [14:48] no. [14:49] I hold down shift, like a real man. [14:49] LOLZ [14:49] * up_the_irons typed that while holding down shift [14:50] Chuck Norris could make that all capital without shift *or* lock [14:51] true dat [14:51] Chuck Norris can follow a null pointer, and end up anywhere he wants to be. [14:51] hahahha [14:51] let's not start this again [14:51] i gotta tweet that [14:52] Chuck Norris ran an infinite loop in 28 seconds.... twice. [14:52] last time somebody reived chuck norris's fame, he started a political blog [14:52] Chuck Norris isn't political... if we disagree, we're just wrong. [14:52] LOL [14:52] huckabee 08 [14:53] huckabee 04! [14:53] palin 12 [14:53] 08 isn't a valid octal number [14:54] Our current development codename at work is "Chuck Norris". It's funny hearing project managers throwing it around all day. [14:54] haha [14:54] My contract boss was Ed Norris... I used to send out memos about him saying "Ed 'Chuck' Norris said..." [14:55] I want to get it on tape when the project manager finally announces "Release Chuck Norris" [14:55] ..and then the apocalypse happens. [14:55] every project should be named Kracken for a while [14:56] then we could all "release the kracken" [14:56] actually, the codenames were Kracken vs Chuck Norris. not surprisingly, Chuck Norris won. [14:57] When Harry McCracken left PCWorld magazine, the Twit show that week was named "release the mccracken" :) [14:58] ... http://blogs.pcworld.com/techlog/archives/007041.html [15:08] I still have quite a bit of migration to finish if I'm going to migrate my linode before billing tomorrow. [15:08] always surprises me how much "stuff" ends up on a server after two years. [15:10] depends on what you do with it, I guess. [15:10] I had one on slicehost for 2.5 years, no significant cruft [15:11] ... it was just a mail/dns server though. [15:11] I have a ton of cruft on my linode... because I didn't have a laptop for a while and my desktop was busted [15:11] well, time to go pick up my kids. i need a break anyway :) [15:11] So I used my linode via my girlfriend's laptop so I could do development [15:11] you should log everything you do on a server (build log). might sound time consuming, but trust me, the time you save when repeating the same thing, is enormous [15:11] you never have to figure out something twice [15:11] Hmm, I should do that [15:12] I recently resetup my desktop and had to go through some stuff that I couldn't quite remember [15:12] or automate it from the beginning [15:12] * Wraithan is hoping he doesn't ahve to stay on linode through the end of the month [15:12] yeah, i log everything i put on my T61 (main laptop). when I got an X300, it was easy peasy to set up ;) [15:13] DaCa: not always possible or worth it [15:13] Documenting it, that'd be worth it but going through the effort to try and automate the whole setup sounds like more work than needed [15:14] but it's much more fun than documenting :) [15:14] I am too busy for that sort of 'fun' [15:14] DaCa: but when you document it, you learn it well [15:15] up_the_irons: yeah. You should be doing that even if it's just a one-off, makes disaster recovery less.... stressful [15:16] jdoe: right. the way i see it, there is no such thing as "one-off". i can't remember a time where I did something only once. [15:17] there is OCD medication [15:18] lol [15:18] LOL [15:18] you should see how shiny i get my shoes... [15:18] and how thoroughly you wash your hands [15:18] "I UPDATE MY BUILD LOG AND THEN I WASH MY HANDS, AND THEN I WASH MY HANDS AND THEN I UPDATE THE LOG AND THEN I WASH MY HANDS..." [15:18] (shoe shining is THE perfect OCD task) [15:19] jdoe: LOL [15:19] I am OCD about keeping my phone's screen free of smudges... I have a nexus one... [15:19] I sometimes stop mid text message and clean it, only to clean it again when I am done [15:20] hahaha [15:20] It'd be good if I was kidding... but I am not. [15:20] lol [15:20] my iphone is so old, i no longer feel compelled to keep the screen clean [15:20] ... man, my iphone looks like a junior high kid's forehead. [15:21] hahahaha [15:21] more grease on it than a big mac. [15:21] * jdoe doesn't care. [15:21] John Travolta's hair has nothing on your phone? [15:21] my phone is great, I got it in like spring 2006 [15:21] guys, that's called "face juice" [15:22] maybe 2007 [15:22] CESSMASTER: I was rocking the same flip phone from 06 until about 1.5 months ago when I got my nexus one. [15:22] which I <3 [15:22] I kind of don't want to spend money on a new phone because I'm in canada half the year anyway [15:23] Yeah, and we all know they don't have cell towers in Canada. [15:23] up_the_irons: if you take a type A personality with an arguably good cause, the defense of said cause tends to be less than polite, and there you have Theo in a nutshell. *shrug*. [15:23] to some people anything that doesn't work by default is broken, thus kvm _is_ broken by that definition. [15:23] i have two cell phones, an american one and a canadian one [15:24] chuck norris doesn't need a cell phone. he knows your thoughts, and that's enough. [15:24] Why not get one with a SIM [15:24] that would involve switching providers [15:24] worth it imo [15:24] maybe i'll get around to it [15:25] I prefer to see it as 'needing a little tweak to work better' but thats me being non type A and having been labeled 'the workaround king' I guess its in my nature to accept things which can work with workarounds ;-) [15:25] * Wraithan goes back to hacking, and hoping a ARP slot opens up [15:25] better than an up_the_irons slot. :) [15:25] toddf: you can defend a good cause without being inpolite; the idea that "we can be rude because we don't owe anyone politeness" is something I don't really understand. It doesn't cost anything to be nice, IMO [15:25] toddf: eh, in this specific case it's explicitly KVM being broken though. The only "tweak" I can think of would be... er... well why DOESN'T it get the SMP info from acpi instead? [15:26] toddf: regarding kvm being broken, i don't care about that argument. it works "enough" for me :) [15:26] Theo has hemmorhoids from sitting and hacking all day, that's why he's always angry [15:26] *** vtoms has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [15:27] aha [15:27] * jdoe misses the GOBBLES vs. OpenBSD trolling :( [15:28] up_the_irons, know you are bussy but can you please check the issue with my bill [15:28] toddf: i tend to find workarounds acceptable; i mean, if I have a need for something, and the only way to satisfy it is to implement a workaround, or not get anything at all; i'd do the workaround [15:29] up_the_irons: no compromises! binary blobs hide vulns! [15:30] *** nbari is now known as nbari|away [15:30] oh i tend to not like binary blobs too [15:30] that's why i buy intel... [15:30] like, low-end graphics, but the drivers are open source [15:30] instead of nvidia closed garbage [15:31] nvidia's okay. ati's is garbage for sure. [15:31] didn't ATI release full specs for some of their shit? [15:31] (and presumably expect someone else to write the drivers for them) [15:34] *** nbari|away is now known as nbari [15:34] no they're also contributing developers, I think. [15:34] I dunno, the "radeon" driver is pretty solid noe. [15:34] now. [15:34] radeonhd is ... unpleasant. [15:40] up_the_irons: I respect those who unfailingly settle for nothing but workaround free code/solutions/etc .. to them that `we' capitulate and `accept' the workaround means we're not actively solving the problem; perhaps .. [15:40] *** hsbt has joined #arpnetworks [15:51] *** nbari is now known as nbari|away [16:01] yawn. [16:13] ok, time to start building my FreeBSD box in VirtualBox to make sure I don't forget anything. :) [16:16] don't forget to replace sendmail :p [16:21] jdoe: I use postfix anyway :) [16:22] like I said [16:30] *** visinin has joined #arpnetworks [16:31] toddf: i can see that [16:32] lol dongs. [16:36] :3 [16:44] thanks [16:44] i've been meaning to change my username to lol for a while but i keep forgetting [16:53] I've never tried *BSD I should probably install it in a VM or something someday [16:55] Wraithan: probably. [17:19] *** bob^^ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [17:19] *** bob^^ has joined #arpnetworks [17:32] up_the_irons: one thing I am concerned about is if I get a VPS and need to move up in size, is that pretty much frozen right now due to the orders lock as well? [17:32] My 540 on linode is getting to be a little slim, for me, so in the near (next 2 months) I'll probably need to move up to a 768 [17:38] * Wraithan is already planning on offloading some stuff to the work server for a month or two during my transition [17:38] because I don't want to pay for a more expensive linode :( [17:42] Wraithan: a 512 -> 768 upgrade shouldn't be a problem [17:45] up_the_irons: sorry for all the pestering you even though I am not paying for the service (yet) [17:45] Wraithan: oh, no worries [17:45] not a bother [17:47] up_the_irons: Once the orders open back up (and assuming I like it) I'll probably be telling everyone I know, since I know a lot of Linode users who would like to pay less and are more advanced users like myself [17:48] Wraithan: ah great :) Referrals tend to be common around here; I don't advertise and yet people still knock at my door, hehe [17:49] I've already got a few people pending as well.. [17:49] wow [17:50] Yeah, I have 2 friends that are waiting on me to tell them if I liked it [17:50] pretty sure you'll like it [17:50] I've got at least two, probably three that'll sign up after my approval.. [17:51] up_the_irons: are you thinking a month before signups are ready again? [17:51] I like spreading the word on good deals, saving my friends money makes me happy [17:51] so what is it that makes you guys come here? lower price? freebsd is an option? both? I figure I know the answer, but I've never asked directly [17:51] Wraithan: hehe nice [17:52] Lower price, and being able to run whatever thing I want [17:52] I don't really care about BSD, it is neat and possibly will be using Clang as default in the near future which is exciting, but, I like my Arch Linux [17:52] cedwards: yeah probably beginning of june i'll have a new box ready to go; before then, some slots will inevitably open up, so anyone interested should email preorder@arpnetworks.com and i'll email a special order link as slots open [17:53] Which actually uses a BSD style init [17:53] Wraithan: word [17:53] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [17:54] I have friends that <3 BSD though, so they will be stoked [17:54] hehe nice [17:56] The Linux/BSD choice to me is a lot like car choice, most of us have opinions on what we want our cars to look like but in the end they all (hopefully) just get you from point a to point b which is the main concern [17:56] Wraithan: ya know, that's a real interesting way to put it. I like it :) [17:56] up_the_irons: did I hear you say there was a referral bonus as well? not that these prices don't sell themselves, but incentives are nice ;) [17:56] Feel free to take that [17:57] that really sums it up it up [17:57] Wraithan: thanks :) [17:57] * Wraithan drops wisdom like my ATT drops calls [17:58] Oh snap! [17:58] <.< [17:58] cedwards: yes, there is; a free month if you refer someone and they stay [17:58] Wraithan: nice! [17:58] ugh, time to clean my desk [17:58] back in a bit [17:58] up_the_irons: I assume "stay" means.. X months? [17:58] good luck [17:59] cedwards: maybe like 3 months, but i'm not very strict in either case (ya think I have time to keep track of it all? ;) [18:04] does bsd not have a periodic / cron hourly? [18:06] FreeBSD comes with a cron tool afaik [18:07] Desk is clean [18:07] amazing what a week of hacking does to my desk [18:07] have 7 weeks until launch of a gian warehouse app [18:08] cron may be off by defaul [18:08] no wait... it has to be on. :) [18:08] I don't have cron in /etc/rc.conf [18:08] and yes, there are periodic's [18:08] RandalSchwartz: it's on, but I notice I have /etc/periodic/{daily,weekly,monthly}, but no hourly. [18:08] yes - no hourly [18:08] you can just add that to a crontab [18:09] in Linux I'm used to /etc/cron.{hourly,daily,weekly,monthly} [18:09] cedwards: those are just dirs called by your crontab [18:09] apparently, nothing to be installed needed hourly :) [18:09] crontab -e [18:09] check it out on a linux system you'll see that [18:10] It is just some helpful defaults is all [18:11] You guys probably know more sysadminy stuff, but I am a developer and most of it is black magic... co-worker showed me that you can resize a LVM partition while it is hot. [18:11] I didn't believe him, then he proceeded to do it [18:12] I damn near shat a brick... resizing a live FS is something that is ingrained deep in my head that you NEVER EVER DO [18:12] with zfs you can do that too. :) [18:12] Wraithan: shrinking you shouldn't do, but extending is just fine. [18:12] since you're merely changing the quota size [18:12] It was always pounded into me to never do it on a live FS [18:12] simple number update and... "bing" [18:13] It seems so dangerous! [18:13] you can grow a partition live on OSX too, as I recall [18:13] This was Reiser running on our server [18:13] just not shrink it [18:13] Reiser, the deadly FS? [18:13] RandalSchwartz: still magic. [18:13] hahaha yeah [18:14] "Oh this must have been setup before he went fucking nuts" - Quote from our sysadmin at work [18:14] heh [18:15] Our sysadmin is a good guy, he puts up with a lot from us developers [18:15] *** visinin has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [18:15] including our comments about "can't we just throw more hardware at it?" [18:15] o/~ I'm mr heat reiser... I'm mr sun. I'm mr wife atomizer... I'm mr 101... o/~ [18:16] (cue sax riff) [18:16] Mr 5? [18:16]