[01:57] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [02:05] *** baklava has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [02:17] *** baklava has joined #arpnetworks [02:17] *** baklava has quit IRC (Changing host) [02:17] *** baklava has joined #arpnetworks [04:23] *** Moonster has joined #arpnetworks [04:24] *** Moonster has quit IRC (Client Quit) [07:34] *** thehomosaur has quit IRC (Quit: Crank dat flying squirrel) [08:50] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [09:21] *** lll has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [09:26] *** trapdoor has joined #arpnetworks [09:55] *** lll has joined #arpnetworks [10:13] *** fink_ has joined #arpnetworks [10:36] *** fink_ has quit IRC (Quit: fink_) [10:53] *** homosaur has quit IRC (Quit: pocketful of goat cheese, ready to party) [12:04] *** nemith has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [13:35] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [13:43] hey #arpnetworks [13:43] hey aem [13:51] afternoon [13:55] Hmm.. I've got a new project going on [13:55] I want to connect a cell phone/gsm modem/whatever to my firewall so it can text me whenever there is a problem [13:55] So I know it [13:56] I just got one problem: I want a cheap, openbsd compatible, cell phone/gsm modem/whatever [13:56] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [13:57] not sure what to tell you in regards to hardware, but we're working on something similar at work with a telephone line. [13:58] *** schmir has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [13:58] :p [14:00] The easiest would be if my operator had some kind of sms gateway [14:00] But ofcourse they don't [14:20] *** homosaur has joined #arpnetworks [14:26] *** infrared has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [14:40] maybe one of the more experienced *BSD users can shed some light on this for me. [14:41] I've been researching login.conf toward limiting resources for shell access on my box. [14:41] So far I've only tweaked [default], but I've seen mentions of creating login classes per-user. [14:42] How does per-user login class do anything more than per-group, er generic/general login class restrictions? [15:29] cedwards: I am wondering similar things myself, I set minimum password length and upper/lower case char password limits in my /etc/login.conf yet its not recognised :-/ [15:30] aem: did you run the command to build the .db file? [15:30] so that got me thinking maybe I need to set them in /usr/share/sk [15:30] so that got me thinking maybe I need to set them in /usr/share/skel [15:30] yes cedwards [15:30] that caught me the first time.. [15:30] oh hm [15:30] sorry ignore me [15:30] :) [15:31] cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf I think it is. [15:31] I usually switch from md5 to blowfish, and always have to remember to run that. [15:32] yeh [15:32] same here [15:32] yeh [15:32] that issue is true, just checked it [15:32] :mixpasswordcase=true:\ [15:32] :minpasswordlen=10:\ [15:32] brb - checking to see if my grill is warm enough for grilling chicken. [15:32] in my /etc/login.conf and did cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf [15:32] no effect [15:32] :-/ [15:33] so maybe I was thinking then it could be in /usr/share/skel/ [15:33] isn't skel/ mainly for pre-populating home folders? [15:33] dot.login_conf [15:34] yeh so like when someone logs in and changes pass [15:34] it should make them pick a good one [15:34] but yeh [15:34] dunno, Il'l figure it out [15:34] sorr I'm rambling here [15:35] I've never done passwd definitions like that outside of Linux tbh. [15:51] *** nesta has joined #arpnetworks [15:53] Hey, up_the_irons [16:39] *** homosaur has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [16:39] *** Wraithan has joined #arpnetworks [16:45] Hey, I was looking at maybe switching to ARP from Linode, I was looking at the 'OS' stuff but I couldn't gather what distro it was nor if one can upload custom images [16:47] Ah, if I go into the purchasing area i see the 2 linux distros are Ubuntu and Debian... can one upload their own image instead? [16:49] mhoran[jUaReZ], mike-burns, sroute, toddf, up_the_irons: ^ [17:07] *** hsbt has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [17:07] *** hsbt_ has joined #arpnetworks [17:11] Wraithan: I've been using Linode for some time. I've been very happy with them. [17:11] Wraithan: I like ARP for the availability of *BSD, which I prefer for the server. [17:12] *** hsbt_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) [17:12] *** hsbt has joined #arpnetworks [17:12] Wraithan: I'll tell you the management area is not quite as mature as Linode, but the access options are still there (console, vnc, etc) [17:13] As long as I can put my own distro on the box that is basically all I care about [17:14] I'm sure they can accommodate you. [17:14] Wraithan: what distro do you prefer? [17:15] Arch Linux [17:15] 64bit [17:16] ahh, Arch. I run Arch on my laptop. [17:16] It is (thankfully) not deb/rpm/emerge based [17:16] pacman ftw [17:17] I run arch on all my systems, 2 work ones, laptop, home server and VPS [17:19] Well I'd think they could probably accommodate you, but you'll probably notice this is a smaller shop than Linode. [17:20] definitely for more experienced users. [17:20] Well, if I was inexperienced I probably wouldn't be doing so well with arch... lol [17:21] agreed [17:22] *** infrared has joined #arpnetworks [17:46] Wraithan: I'm an ARP customer (and an op in this channel for historical reasons), but I can tell you that up_the_irons will let you run anything so long as you can get him an ISO. [17:46] *** Ehtyar has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [17:51] Sounds good. For the record that should be in the docs some where so folks don't have to waste 20-30 minutes searching to see if you can install distro X [17:52] That's a fair point. [17:53] *** Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [17:53] * cedwards again suggests a wiki, and would be more than happy to contribute. [17:54] One of us should set up a third-party wiki for ARP. [17:54] I'd do it but MediaWiki requires PHP, Apache, and MySQL ... [17:54] mike-burns: either that or have up_the_irons setup wiki.arpnetworks.com or similar. [17:55] mike-burns: check out dokuwiki. php+flat file storage. _really_ lightweight. [17:55] I'd rather not have PHP on my beautiful system. [17:56] I'd be happy to host it on mine if he wants to point DNS my way. [17:57] Django has wiki stuff as a third party app [17:57] hey [17:58] I'm not a huge fan of mediawiki, but I'm sure it's not up to me. [17:58] mediawiki is nicde [17:58] time to give my kids a bath. ttyl. [18:00] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [18:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [18:15] *** nesta has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [18:23] * cedwards starts to feel like the conversation killer 'round here. [18:32] php-- [18:32] PHP used to pay my bills [18:32] Now Python does! [18:32] heh [18:33] PHP pays part of my bills [18:33] mixing code and html is just wrong. [18:34] Is there a trial period at all with ARP? I'll likely buy a month to play with it anyway, just curious [18:34] Wraithan: what is there to try? latency? [18:34] Wraithan: yeah. should mention on the site. [18:35] The admin interface, how long it takes to get the ISO I would like in use for me to install my distro, etc etc. [18:35] what distro? [18:35] Arch Linux [18:37] Not expecting admins to install it for me, just need it available to boot off of so I can just do the out of band stuff and install it and get SSH up [18:38] And need to know what (if any) custom kernel options are required (i haven't looked to see if that is on the site) [18:39] I don't think anything custom is required by the kernel. [18:40] hosting is done via kvm/qemu. shouldn't require anything (not like xen) [18:46] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [18:46] *** trapdoor has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [18:59] *** amdprophet|sleep has joined #arpnetworks [18:59] *** amdprophet has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:29] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [19:40] *** boogeyman has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [20:19] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [20:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [20:25] *** fink has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [20:26] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [20:27] *** fink_ has joined #arpnetworks [20:28] *** fink has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [20:28] *** fink_ is now known as fink [21:00] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [21:58] *** nesta has joined #arpnetworks [22:00] *** j3m has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [22:44] *** ballen has joined #arpnetworks [22:44] *** ballen has quit IRC (Changing host) [22:44] *** ballen has joined #arpnetworks [22:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ballen [22:46] *** ballen has quit IRC (Client Quit) [23:02] *** nesta is now known as nestea [23:02] *** nestea is now known as nesta- [23:18] Wraithan: as long as you can install Arch yourself using VNC as your console, I will boot any Arch .iso you point me at :) [23:23] up_the_irons: As long as i have a terminal I can install Arch, just makes it a lot easier if I can boot off the ISO instead of doing it the hard way. [23:23] Later this week I should have time to migrate my server over, hopefully I'll be contacting you then [23:24] *** aem has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [23:25] Wraithan: yeah, you can boot off the CD no problem. The general procedure to install your own OS is the same as setting up custom partitioning: http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/vps/custom-partitions [23:27] up_the_irons: So I would just have to toss it in the notes the ISO I'd like to have as the default CD? [23:28] The notes during sign up that is [23:28] Wraithan: yup [23:28] Wraithan: your VPS will be set up normally, just nothing on the disk [23:29] and you can install whenever you like [23:29] Ok, it seems I will be switching then.. the savings will be nice as I have never used any of the extra support stuff at linode [23:30] :) [23:30] *** nesta- is now known as aem [23:30] In fact, when I contacted them (because they have a Arch Linux install) about updating their Arch image they brushed me to the side because only a small number of people use Arch, they are more concerned with staying up to date on Debian/Ubuntu/etc [23:30] yeah arp is nice Wraithan, its hands on :) [23:31] It matters quite a bit for Arch how old your install is... rolling release doesn't take well to not updating your system for 8+ months [23:31] lol [23:32] hah, yeah [23:33] i take pride in offering alternatives [23:33] there are like a thousand providers offering debian/ubuntu/etc.. [23:34] Do you guys do any sort of referral system? My friend is the reason why I even looked into you [23:34] not many for freebsd, openbsd, arch linux, etc... [23:34] That is why I went with Linode is they had an out of box Arch install [23:35] Wraithan: if you stick around, your friend will receive a free month; just let me know who he is (or have him contact me) [23:36] Cool yeah, I will put it all in the notes and have him contact you as well. I am sure he would appreciate some free time [23:36] up_the_irons: http://blog.deliciousrobots.com/2010/04/25/the-reluctant-sysadmin/ [23:36] He used to be my co-worker [23:37] ah yes, i recognize that blog [23:37] oh wow, he wrote another post about ARP [23:37] rockin' [23:38] Yeah, his first was just about locking himself out of his machine on the first day, which made me lol [23:38] right, i saw that one ;) i commented too [23:38] this is where vnc saves lives [23:38] it saved mine :) [23:38] or my vps rather [23:40] Yeah, I've used it when I accidently borked my sshd.conf and couldn't get into my system after restarting sshd [23:41] its pretty amazing imo [23:41] i'll bbl [23:41] This was on linode but having the out of band tool is great [23:41] nice chattin guys [23:41] up_the_irons: thanks for answering the questions. [23:41] ok up_the_irons see ya [23:42] Wraithan: np! [23:42] * up_the_irons is over and out [23:53] *** aem has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)