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[05:24] <aem> hm
[05:24] <aem> how long do suport emails usually take to be answered? :/
[05:24] <aem> I have sent two yesterday with no responce at all.
[06:13] <cedwards> aem: i sent one yesterday and got a response by evening.
[06:13] <cedwards> aem: spam filter?
[06:13] <aem> nah, its not in there
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[08:15] <aem> hey does anyone know will arp make PTR record for you if requested?
[08:15] <coil> sure
[08:15] <aem> cool thanks coil
[08:16] <aem> now if they will just email me back :)
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[08:36] <fink> RandalSchwartz?
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[09:19] <cedwards> what do the admins think about setting up a VPS wiki? I'm sure that'd be beneficial (and ease up the support requests).
[09:20] <homosaur> wiki wiki
[09:23] <dxtr> cedwards: Actually I think most people who get a vps here knows what they are doing .P
[09:24] <RandalSchwartz> it would be nice to share discoveries though
[09:24] <aem> thats what you think!
[09:24] <aem> lol
[09:24] <RandalSchwartz> other than by sitting in IRC
[09:24] <aem> I think its a great idea cedwards
[09:26] <cedwards> dxtr: I think that is the idea, but we've had plenty of support requests and troubleshoot conversations.
[09:26] <cedwards> dxtr: while it is aimed at skilled users, I think it'd be helpful to share common things we've seen so far.
[09:26] <dxtr> cedwards: "Today I saw a tree"
[09:27] <cedwards> you know what i mean
[09:32] <fink> cedwards: i think it's a good idea
[09:32] <fink> RandalSchwartz: i think i found out what was locking me out
[09:32] <RandalSchwartz> what?
[09:33] <fink> on boot, member:openvpn starts after pf; my pf.conf refers to tun0, but pf can't find that interface, so it can't parse its config file, so i get this error: pfctl: Syntax error in config file: pf rules not loaded; which results in me being locked out after boot
[09:33] <fink> -member
[09:34] <RandalSchwartz> eww.  that may be my situation too
[09:34] <RandalSchwartz> so what's the workaround?
[09:34] <RandalSchwartz> yeah - I refer to tun0 in my pf too
[09:35] <fink> RandalSchwartz: just tried rc.conf's cloned_interfaces, that didn't work
[09:35] <fink> i'm going to try /boot/loader.conf
[09:36] <dxtr> So... How's life guys?
[09:37] <dxtr> And old man RandalSchwartz ofcourse
[09:38] <aem> hehe
[09:38] <aem> pretty good dxtr
[09:39] <dxtr> No plans of getting doomsday drunk or something tonight?
[09:40] <RandalSchwartz> Hmm.  I had no problem restarting pf with no tun0 device
[09:43] <fink> RandalSchwartz: maybe it's this pf rule of mine: `pass inet proto $int_proto from { lo, $localnet, $vpn_if } to any`
[09:44] <fink> dmesg says: ,o IP address found for tun0:network, /etc/pf.conf:148: could not parse host specification
[09:44] <RandalSchwartz> hmm.  I don't have one of those
[09:44] <fink> that should be "no"
[09:44] <fink> RandalSchwartz: btw thanks for your help the other day
[10:09] <fink> RandalSchwartz: got it! i wrapped the 'tun' in pf.conf with parentheses : ( tun ), or more specifically: ( $vpn_if )
[10:09] * fink celebrates
[10:09] <homosaur> hey, i'm having trouble sending function keys to my server on VNC. i'm on a macbook. I know I must be messing up the key combos for function keys
[10:09] <homosaur> anyone have an idea
[10:09] <fink> homosaur: what's your vpn client?
[10:09] <cedwards> i haven't tried vnc on my mac, sorry.
[10:11] <homosaur> using chicken of vnc
[10:12] <RandalSchwartz> aha - there ya go
[10:12] <fink> homosaur: i had trouble with chicken too, which i like
[10:12] <fink> try jollysfastvnc
[10:13] <homosaur> fink: okay, taking a look
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[11:13] <homosaur> fink: i could never figure out how to enter a password
[11:13] <fink> homosaur: a password for what?
[11:13] <fink> jolly allows you to paste as text into the vnc window
[11:13] <homosaur> fink: the vnc server. there is a box for it on chicken
[11:14] <fink> homosaur: it asks you for a password after you click connect
[11:15] <fink> homosaur: it's ok, i have 'duh' moments too ;)
[11:15] <fink> ok, it's outside time!
[11:16] <homosaur> fink: i don't know then, it just isn't working
[11:16] <homosaur> fink: oh i see, you have to activate the software
[11:19] <fink> homosaur: free activation
[11:20] <homosaur> fink: yep, it sure worked
[11:21] <homosaur> dang, i really wish i could figure out what is going on with chicken. i sure would like to not have to pay $40 for a vnc client
[11:23] <homosaur> oh i guess jollysfastvnc is optional pay. i guess i will use it for a couple of weeks and i'll send some cash if i find that i'm using it
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[13:39] <cedwards> broke down and just placed my order for my second machine.
[13:40] <aem> heheh
[13:40] <aem> I was thinmking of getting an openbsd one
[13:40] <RandalSchwartz> "you can't eat just one" :)
[13:43] <cedwards> aem: I installed openbsd at work in my lab yesterday. Seemed to me like a less user-friendly version of freebsd.
[13:43] <cedwards> ..along with some odd security claims.
[13:44] <RandalSchwartz> theo's paranoia helped me sleep at night for 8 years :)
[13:44] <RandalSchwartz> but having made the jump recently to freebsd, I'm not looking back
[13:45] <aem> cedwards: yeah but for some reason I like it ;-/
[13:47] <cedwards> I may continue to play with it in my lab, but I don't expect to move any production services to it.
[13:47] <cedwards> this second one will likely replace my Debian stable Linode, putting all but my home mail server on FreeBSD.
[13:57] <DaCa> cedwards: but only openbsd has opensmtpd :)
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[14:06] <cedwards> interesting. just read up on that.
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[16:39] <mick_laptop> up_the_irons: hey, just wanted to know if there is a way to see the status of a new VPS
[16:40] <up_the_irons> mick_laptop: not really
[16:40] <mick_laptop> a friend that i recommended just bought one today, wanted to know if I could help him set it up today, or tomorrow
[16:41] <mick_laptop> i think it takes ~1 day
[16:46] <up_the_irons> mick_laptop: yeah i'll most likely do all orders today / tonight; i slept a lot last night (sorry to those two had open support requests that I didn't get to), so I'll be up all night tonight working :)
[16:54] <aem> hey up_the_irons thanks for setting my PTR but I kinda messsed up, meant for it to be rip. in front of it.. whenever ya have a minute :)
[16:54] <up_the_irons> aem: just reply to the threat...  or i'll get confused :)
[16:55] <up_the_irons> *thread
[16:55] <aem> hehe okey dokey, I shot you an email there as reply
[16:55] <aem> :)
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[17:27] <aem> how is ipv6 reverse dns done with arp?
[17:53] <up_the_irons> http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/main/reverse-dns
[18:03] <aem> yeah I read that
[18:03] <aem> then I googled ipv6 reverse dns and read lots of pages
[18:03] <aem> ;-/
[18:03] <aem> noob stylez
[18:09] <up_the_irons> cedwards: regarding a wiki; i generally see it as another thing to have to maintain (spam, etc...), although I like the idea of sharing knowledge.  i'm a little partial toward wiki's (in a bad way) b/c I've seen so many that suck.  lots of un-curated information by people that can't write, is kinda worse than no info at all
[18:14] <up_the_irons> aem: ipv6 is a big subject :)
[18:15] <aem> hehe I bet
[18:15] <aem> its pretty daunting to me alright :P
[18:15] <up_the_irons> i'm still reading RFCs on it...
[18:15] <aem> yeah I read the RFC :-(
[18:15] <aem> will read again heh
[18:26] <aem> up_the_irons: would I be using a tunnel broker? am I on the righ track? hehe
[18:28] <RandalSchwartz> you don't need a tunnel broker
[18:28] <RandalSchwartz> not for the VPS box
[18:30] <aem> okay hmm
[18:30] <aem> back to square one
[18:30] <aem> damn
[18:30] * aem snaps fingers
[18:31] <amdprophet> up_the_irons: we're going to beat you in the playoffs ;)
[18:36] <RandalSchwartz> the vps box has ipv6 already allocated
[18:36] <RandalSchwartz> the allocation is listed on your portal page
[18:36] <RandalSchwartz> if you're running a nameserver, you can have the entire reverse delegated to you, or you can ask for just a few specific reverses.
[18:37] <RandalSchwartz> in that sense it's just like v4.
[18:40] * RandalSchwartz wonders if any of that helped. )
[18:42] <aem> ah great
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[18:42] <aem> thank you
[18:42] <aem> I wonder how many ipv6 reverse is acceptable
[18:43] <aem> I will email and ask :)
[18:43] <aem> cheers RandalSchwartz
[18:43] * RandalSchwartz bows
[18:43] * RandalSchwartz hits head on desk
[18:43] <RandalSchwartz> ouch!
[18:43] <RandalSchwartz> well - if you're gonna do more than a few, you should just man-up and take the delegation. :)
[18:44] <aem> yes that means learning how to run a DNS server right? (fear)
[18:44] <aem> lol
[18:44] <RandalSchwartz> it's not that hard
[18:44] <RandalSchwartz> the tricky part is finding a willing secondary
[18:45] <aem> someone told me that I can run dns from my own vps for myself, but thats rubbish right? it must be a seperate machine eh?
[18:47] <ziyourenxiang> no & no
[18:47] <up_the_irons> amdprophet: :)
[18:47] <amdprophet> :P
[18:47] <up_the_irons> aem: no tunnel broker needed on the vps
[18:47] <homosaur> hey guys, i'm new with dealing with mail and i wanted to know what is the least amount of software i can run to send mails out from the server. i do not need to receive mail at this server
[18:48] <RandalSchwartz> the default sendmail will do that
[18:48] <RandalSchwartz> but I'd put postfix on, just in case
[18:48] <RandalSchwartz> more options, especially for throttling
[18:48] <up_the_irons> aem: you can run a dns server on the vps itself, but usually people do it on another box for increased reliability
[18:49] <RandalSchwartz> and you'll still need to find a geographically diverse secondary
[18:49] <ziyourenxiang> up_the_irons, you make it sound as if the vps is not reliable :-)
[18:49] <homosaur> RandalSchwartz: postfix, gotcha. that's what i figured i should use
[18:49] <up_the_irons> ziyourenxiang: i know, i was afraid it might sound that way ;)
[18:53] <aem> ok
[18:53] <aem> cheers for the info guys
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[19:51] <cedwards> homosaur: If you just want outbound email from the server(s) for things like reports I stick with regular, default sendmail.
[19:51] <cedwards> homosaur: if you're going to allow connections from the outside world, postfix is much better.
[19:51] <fink> postfix wins on security
[19:53] <cedwards> definitely. but if its just bound to localhost so the machine can report to you, I don't worry about it.
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