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| bob^^ | litebread: mean took about 24 hours, it's worth the wait :) | [01:36] |
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| infrared | litebread: be patiant
ie* | [04:27] |
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| cedwards | infrared: I hope that typo means you're still trying ;) | [04:42] |
| infrared | yes :)
im chugging along | [04:42] |
| cedwards | that's great! | [04:44] |
| infrared | its just frustrating | [04:44] |
| cedwards | ohh I know exactly what you're talking about.
I'm sure (I hope) you've noticed some improvement though. | [04:49] |
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| litebread | oh hey guys
mine was setup about 3/4 hours ago while i was sleeping, im up early for my birthday and all people call and wake me up, lol good thing they did however, and yes it was worth the wait | [05:10] |
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| mike-burns | Welcome aboard! | [05:34] |
| aem | heya!
if I bought extra ipv4's should they be in my /etc/rc.conf ? or do i add the aliases myself? | [05:35] |
| cedwards | aem: I'd guess, if they are not on your system already, they'll be found on the support portal.
aem: I see that my IP information is listed there. | [05:39] |
| mike-burns | Add them yourself. | [05:39] |
| aem | oh cool, did not notice the portal | [05:40] |
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| litebread | what is with the partial billing business?
can i go ahead and pay my next month now? for 01may10 - also | [05:53] |
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| litebread | is mike burns or up_the_irons around? | [06:06] |
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| mike-burns | litebread: I'm not an admin, BTW, just a customer with IRC op. | [06:30] |
| litebread | oh its just a gen. question, if u dont mind me asking?
i did not see in the email how to pay ''advanced'' payments, as a customer maybe you have done this before? also checked the site | [06:33] |
| mike-burns | I believe up_the_irons has done advanced payments before. You should email support@ and he'll get back to you. | [06:35] |
| litebread | ok thank you very much, i have been prorated until the first and id like to pay may, prob june also
ill email now, ty :) | [06:37] |
| dxtr | It sucks that I know I might have to drop my vps when I quit school :(
Or.. well... When I finish school so to speak :P | [06:42] |
| litebread | oh
where you going to school? i went to LSU | [06:46] |
| dxtr | litebread: John Bauer-gymnasiet ;)
I'm in Sweden | [06:47] |
| litebread | cool | [06:47] |
| dxtr | And I'm not in university (uet)
(yet) | [06:47] |
| litebread | brb guys, birthday breakfast | [06:47] |
| dxtr | I never get a birthday breakfast :D
I get tons of "Your one year closer to death now!"-comments Other than that? Not much Maybe a hundred bucks or two from my grandmother o/ | [06:48] |
| RandalSchwartz | I started measuring my age in hex again
I'm 0x30 :) | [06:49] |
| dxtr | RandalSchwartz: Damn that's old
RandalSchwartz: 0x13 here And it's raining again | [06:49] |
| RandalSchwartz | you've never lived in a world without Perl.
it was a scaryier time back then crazy semi-portable shell scripts | [06:49] |
| dxtr | Wasn't that like 0xbeefcafe years ago? | [06:50] |
| RandalSchwartz | 22 years | [06:50] |
| dxtr | :D
Okay. this is the situation, RandalSchwartz | [06:50] |
| RandalSchwartz | have you seen a working rotary-dial phone? :) | [06:52] |
| dxtr | I was about to clean my room (Yes! I still live with my parents), put on some good music (psy <3) but now I have to go to the bathroom
Uhm, nope :P Or what Oh yeah One of those Yeah I've seen 'em My grandmother's got one | [06:52] |
| RandalSchwartz | would you know how to use it? :) | [06:52] |
| dxtr | Yeah :D
The same grandmother taught me | [06:53] |
| RandalSchwartz | ancient wisdom
a dying art | [06:53] |
| dxtr | totally useless | [06:53] |
| RandalSchwartz | have you seen an answering machine? | [06:53] |
| cedwards | lol | [06:53] |
| RandalSchwartz | how about an acoustic couple modem? | [06:53] |
| dxtr | Are you passively insulting me? | [06:54] |
| RandalSchwartz | no - curious
and feeling... old. :) | [06:54] |
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| dxtr | Actually, I've seeen some acoustic coupler modems - but never used one | [06:55] |
| cedwards | RandalSchwartz: not to make things worse, but I remember many of those things and you're 18yrs older than me | [06:55] |
| dxtr | For obvious reasons | [06:55] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah - try to find a phone that fits that modem now | [06:55] |
| dxtr | And RandalSchwartz. To be fair; answering machines never became huge in Sweden as far as I know | [06:55] |
| cedwards | can anyone tell me how to resolve this: pkg_delete: corrupted record (pkgdep line without argument), ignoring
I'm trying to resolve some issues with 'portmaster --check-depends', but I see that when adding/removing ports. | [06:55] |
| RandalSchwartz | there's a pkgdep fix up command somewhere
I've seen it referenced it goes out and rebuilds by looking t the actual filesystem | [06:56] |
| bob^^ | RandalSchwartz / dxtr : http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/31/demo-300-baud-acoustic-coupler-modem-connects-to-internet-surfs-wikipedia/ | [06:56] |
| RandalSchwartz | RandalSchwartz runs over to work | [06:57] |
| bob^^ | interesting little video if you're feeling nostaligic :) | [06:57] |
| dxtr | bob^^: I'll look into it... After my bathroom visit | [06:57] |
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| aem | damnit
any admins active? :-/ | [07:24] |
| bob^^ | up_the_irons is probably asleep :) | [07:25] |
| aem | I just reset my damn password and locked myself out of my vps bob^^
lol total noob status right now :-( | [07:27] |
| bob^^ | lol
what os? you could reboot and single-user it and change the password | [07:28] |
| aem | raging right now
hahah FreeBSD | [07:28] |
| bob^^ | easy fix thanks to the vnc access
oh, easy then :) root password you've lost? | [07:28] |
| aem | I cannot seem to get my damn vnc to work, what client do you use bob^^ ? I am on a mac rihgt now too :/
nah root shsould be fine user i created | [07:28] |
| bob^^ | don't forget the port number
that's normally what i forget i just use realvnc, works great | [07:29] |
| cedwards | i use tightvnc. worked fine for recovery a few days ago. | [07:29] |
| bob^^ | you don't even need to single user it then either | [07:29] |
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| bob^^ | just log in over vnc with root and reset it :) | [07:29] |
| aem | ok i will try tight vnc
thanks guys | [07:30] |
| bob^^ | oh on mac
i used to use Chicken of the VNC worked great with everything i needed at the time ah - looks like it might be a bit outdated these days | [07:30] |
| aem | you use host:portnumber
right | [07:31] |
| bob^^ | yup, that's it in realvnc
any luck? | [07:31] |
| aem | nah
they won't let me add user root i will keep fiddlin | [07:39] |
| bob^^ | huh?
you don't need to add user root you should have a root account already bob^^ is confused | [07:39] |
| aem | yeh i do, I mean the vnc | [07:40] |
| bob^^ | hmm, you shouldn't need a username for vnc
just the password from your ARP portal account then you should see the root login prompt for your VPS | [07:40] |
| aem | oh
hehe hmm kk | [07:40] |
| bob^^ | log in as root, passwd <your username> | [07:41] |
| aem | sorry
lol | [07:41] |
| bob^^ | and enter a new password, bang, job done :)
pm if you need a hand with it, i'm just idling waiting for the clock to count down so i can leave work and go home for a beer :D | [07:41] |
| aem | I am in bob^^
thank you very much | [07:42] |
| bob^^ | yay | [07:42] |
| aem | :) | [07:42] |
| bob^^ | np :) | [07:42] |
| aem | <3
cheers big ears :D | [07:42] |
| bob^^ | gah, have i left my webcam on again :(
bob^^ waggles ears | [07:42] |
| aem | ruh roh
does not like my root pass :/ | [07:43] |
| bob^^ | bob^^ fetches scooby snacks | [07:43] |
| aem | eeek | [07:43] |
| bob^^ | nah
easy fix reboot box, select single user mode at the menu | [07:43] |
| aem | k | [07:43] |
| bob^^ | (or, if you don't have a menu, enter 'boot -s' at the loader prompt)
that'll take you in to single user mode - it'll log you in as root without asking for a password then you can just type 'passwd', hit enter, enter new root password and reboot | [07:43] |
| aem | i am at login prompt | [07:44] |
| bob^^ | all done :) | [07:44] |
| aem | how to make it reboot from here? | [07:44] |
| bob^^ | 'reboot'
:D oh wait you can't log in as root, can yuo? | [07:44] |
| aem | but its at a log in prompt hehe
nope | [07:44] |
| bob^^ | d'oh :) | [07:45] |
| aem | yeh lol | [07:45] |
| bob^^ | in which case, you'll need to power cycle it
you can do that from the ARP portal iirc | [07:45] |
| aem | yep
stay logged in on vnc? | [07:45] |
| bob^^ | just keep an eye on VNC as it'll boot pretty quick :)
yeah as soon as you see the freebsd boot menu, hit the number for single user mode - i can't remember off hand what number it is http://files.cyberciti.biz/uploads/faq/2009/11/freebsd-boot.png | [07:45] |
| aem | yep | [07:46] |
| bob^^ | option 3 :)
d'og lol, d'oh, useless fingers option 4 even | [07:46] |
| aem | hehe
shut down hard? 'boot' did nothing | [07:46] |
| bob^^ | yeah, that'll do you
you can shut down hard and then power on should do the same job just be prepared to wait for it to run a full fsck when it comes back up in multi user mode (does it in the background so you may not even notice tbh) | [07:47] |
| aem | vnc disconnected
won't allow me to reconnect | [07:48] |
| bob^^ | that's ok - just reconnect as soon as you power it back on | [07:48] |
| aem | oh i power it on too
lol gosh | [07:48] |
| bob^^ | :D | [07:48] |
| aem | A NEW WORLD HERE
:P thnx man | [07:48] |
| bob^^ | np - just connect quick so you make sure you can see the menu :) | [07:49] |
| aem | ok booting | [07:49] |
| bob^^ | the vnc stuff with ARP is awesome, quite a life saver :D | [07:50] |
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| aem | some sort of pam error
it spat out | [07:50] |
| bob^^ | hmm
did it go to the menu ok? | [07:51] |
| aem | yeh
i am at prompt now | [07:51] |
| bob^^ | ah cool | [07:51] |
| aem | restting passes
gave me a pam error tho | [07:51] |
| bob^^ | hmm | [07:51] |
| aem | should be cool i HOPE
:) heh | [07:51] |
| bob^^ | what's the error?
i'm wondering if something naughty has happened to your password file | [07:51] |
| aem | pam_chauthtok() : error in service module | [07:51] |
| bob^^ | don't reboot it yet
and what command did you run to get that? just 'passwd' ? | [07:52] |
| aem | I doubt it man, I only just got this and the passwords I reset to earlier were really long and full of odd chars
yes just passwd | [07:52] |
| bob^^ | do a 'cat /etc/passwd'
and make sure you don't have two root accounts or something daft root should be on one line, the first line in the file, and nowhere else hang on - that should be cat /etc/master.passwd, sorry actually, check for any duplicate users at all there should be one row per user, and usernames should all be unique chances are you've somehow ended up with two identical usernames in that file | [07:52] |
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| aem | sorry got disconnected there
lemme see bob^^: do you know is direct root login blocked by default on FreeBSD vps ? | [07:58] |
| RandalSchwartz | I think it's blocked by default in ssh, but not console
that's how freebsd comes loaded | [08:01] |
| aem | ok
thought so too | [08:03] |
| bob^^ | yeah - you can enable root login over ssh, but it's generally a Bad Idea (tm) | [08:05] |
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| bob^^ | got it sorted aem ? | [08:10] |
| aem | nah man sam pam crap
I booted to single user set new pass with passwd no dice | [08:12] |
| bob^^ | did you check master.passwd for duplicate users? | [08:12] |
| aem | my vnc frose when i catted it
had to reboot heh | [08:12] |
| bob^^ | i'd offer to take a look for you if you'll trust me with your vnc password :D
bizarre hmm that pam error means it hasn't updated the password database so that's why you can't log in are you ok with using vi? | [08:12] |
| aem | right
yes | [08:13] |
| bob^^ | ah, cool
use vipw then | [08:13] |
| aem | yes hehe
kk in single user? | [08:13] |
| bob^^ | that shouldn't cause it to flip out ninja stylee
yeah | [08:13] |
| aem | awesome | [08:13] |
| bob^^ | just check that you don't have a username twice (any username)
all the google for that message suggests that there's something wrong with the format of master.passwd | [08:13] |
| aem | hm yes
:-/ eeek lol no worries | [08:14] |
| bob^^ | it'll be easily fixed :) | [08:15] |
| aem | yep
:) hehe bob^^ pw_temp(): Read only filesystem | [08:15] |
| bob^^ | ?! | [08:16] |
| aem | :O | [08:16] |
| bob^^ | buhhh
oh that should be safe to ignore | [08:16] |
| aem | it will not let me open vipw | [08:16] |
| bob^^ | it'll just be vi making a backup copy of the file which it doesn't really need
oh hmm, sec lol | [08:17] |
| aem | yeah its mounted ro i guess | [08:17] |
| bob^^ | yaeh, i can't think why /tmp would be mounted ro | [08:17] |
| aem | I wonder when up_the_irons will awaken
:) | [08:18] |
| bob^^ | you're not using zfs or anything fancy are you? | [08:18] |
| aem | nope
this is pretty much b rand new vps | [08:18] |
| bob^^ | i suspect the only solution he'll be able to help with is reinstalling it from scratch for you :( | [08:18] |
| aem | i had just csup'd new source to build with
:-/ | [08:18] |
| bob^^ | i don't mind taking a look if you fire over your vnc details
and you're happy to trust me of course :) understandable if not bob^^ looks shiftily around | [08:18] |
| aem | well yes
:) you understand hehe hmm no worries | [08:19] |
| bob^^ | it does sound a bit odd
if it helps i'm a freebsd sysadmin all day every day :) | [08:19] |
| aem | all i did was change my passes | [08:19] |
| bob^^ | yes, that is pretty bizarre
you didn't change any shells did you? | [08:19] |
| aem | nah
added a user with csh | [08:19] |
| bob^^ | i've typo'd shells in master.passwd before and ended up in a similar state
pw user add or adduser? | [08:20] |
| aem | thats it
adduser | [08:20] |
| bob^^ | it should def have got it right
bob^^ scratches head you could try pwd_mkdb /etc/passwd to regenerate the password databases in case somehow they've become knackered would be pretty odd though at the very least that might spit out an error if there's a problem with the format of your password file | [08:20] |
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| bob^^ | aem: still stuck? | [08:27] |
| aem | hehe yeh
I gotta go out and pay some bills bbiab :) chat to ya then if you're still around thanks again | [08:27] |
| bob^^ | cool let me know if you're still stuck later - however i may be out in the sun drinking beer :)
gl! | [08:28] |
| cedwards | ok. I think I've solved my --check-depends issue (finally). Is there a clean/easy way to rebuild all ports on my system?
I'd like to make sure everything is built against the right depends and no depends are missing. | [08:38] |
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| portmaster -af. this is going to take a while. | [09:17] | |
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| aem | heya back | [10:16] |
| bob^^: I worked it out :) I need to mount -u /
and mount -a | [10:25] | |
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| hey does anyone know which CPU model are used in the FreeVSD vps? I want to specify it in /etc/make.conf | [10:51] | |
| cedwards | aem: I use -march=native | [10:51] |
| RandalSchwartz | sysctl does | [10:51] |
| cedwards | aem: or sysctl -a | grep hw. ...something. | [10:51] |
| aem | cool thanks | [10:52] |
| RandalSchwartz | amd64
hw.machine dunno how much more specific you want | [10:52] |
| aem | # (AMD CPUs) opteron athlon64 athlon-mp athlon-xp athlon-4
# athlon-tbird athlon k8 k6-3 k6-2 k6 k5 just wondering if I could specify one of these | [10:52] |
| RandalSchwartz | probably not without possibly breaking something
I don't see any of those names in sysctl | [10:53] |
| aem | ok, so perhaps native is the best idea
well its a k8 type, I have ascertained that much | [10:53] |
| RandalSchwartz | ... hw.model: QEMU Virtual CPU version 0.9.1 | [10:53] |
| aem | yeh
I will use native so as not to break anything | [10:53] |
| mike-burns | Why are you setting this? | [10:54] |
| aem | well when I build kernel and world I like the idea of it being tweaked a lil for the sytem
probably does not do much ;-/ | [10:55] |
| cedwards | I generally just use this standard on machines that need compiling: CFLAGS= -march=native -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe | [10:57] |
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| aem | yeah | [11:00] |
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| litebread | hello, is an admin around at the moment? | [15:06] |
| amdprophet | up_the_irons might be, but if you're looking for support you should e-mail support@arpnetworks.com | [15:07] |
| litebread | i have a while back, i suppose i will just wait | [15:08] |
| RandalSchwartz | what are you waiting on? | [15:08] |
| fink | his vps | [15:11] |
| RandalSchwartz | ahh.
that's the problem with fame. longer startup times | [15:11] |
| fink | RandalSchwartz: how many users until arpnetworks becomes officially not cool anymore? | [15:12] |
| RandalSchwartz | I don't think there's an easy way to measure that | [15:13] |
| amdprophet | > 9000 | [15:13] |
| RandalSchwartz | when up_the_irons gets yelled at when he comes in here, that'll be the end of the cool period | [15:13] |
| litebread | no my vps is already set up. | [15:14] |
| fink | litebread: what's wrong? | [15:22] |
| litebread | i could not log in
i just logged in with vnc however i dont think ill have any problems from here on out okay everything is back to normail ty though for the help, idk what happened but problem resolved | [15:28] |
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| aem | hmm
anyone else ehere running a custom kernel on a FreeBSD vps with arp? I compile from fresh source yet the uname -a does not say -p2 ? :-/ the kernel name, although, is correct | [16:04] |
| cedwards | aem: what -supfile did you use for /usr/src?
(if any) stable-supfile will stay on 8.0, standard-supfile should get you to -p2 | [16:13] |
| aem | hi cedwards check this out
http://pastebin.com/YbRgvy8J thats my csup file | [16:15] |
| cedwards | hmm. that looks right to me.
that's the common thing I've seen before, is not using the right branch for /usr/src uhm, isn't there also a setting in your kernel config to display/not display that -p2? I seem to remember there being one, but I generally don't go custom on my kernels | [16:16] |
| aem | yeh might be, I did not twiddle that knob tho
the only thing 'custom' about it is having pf in it and a diff kern name | [16:18] |
| cedwards | isn't pf standard? | [16:18] |
| aem | its not built into the kernel | [16:19] |
| cedwards | pf, like the firewall. i'm using it and i didn't rebuild..
I'm using rdr and nat anyway. | [16:20] |
| aem | yeh you are loading it as module right | [16:20] |
| cedwards | I didn't do anything other than pf_enable="YES" | [16:21] |
| aem | yeh | [16:21] |
| mike-burns | Do you not like kernel modules, aem ? | [16:23] |
| fink | anybody here use vlans? | [16:23] |
| aem | aem shrugs | [16:23] |
| cedwards | fink: how do you mean | [16:25] |
| fink | cedwards: freebsd vlan interface? | [16:27] |
| infrared | what up | [16:35] |
| cedwards | really tempted to get my second vps this weekend, but I know my wife wont let me spend much time on it :) | [16:36] |
| infrared | whipped i see :P | [16:37] |
| cedwards | not so much whipped as have two kids and one on the way. always stuff to take care of. | [16:38] |
| infrared | i'm just teasing :P i have two kids and an ex | [16:39] |
| cedwards | I should be out folding all the laundry now, but I'm procrastinating. | [16:39] |
| aem | ah hm
that is very odd it was the repositories they did not have the right source code wtf lol yeah changed mirrors, got new code odd.. imo | [16:42] |
| cedwards | i would expect them to all be updated, but I guess it is reasonable that they are not. | [16:43] |
| aem | get it together Canada!!!!
aha | [16:44] |
| cedwards | aem: I guess actually reading /usr/src/UPDATING would verify what version you had checkd out. | [16:44] |
| aem | well naturally yes
but I did not read it :) | [16:45] |
| cedwards | i'm not in the habit of reading it as i should either | [16:45] |
| aem | hehe yep, FreeBSD usually 'just works' for me :P
I wing it a bit I guess | [16:46] |
| infrared | cedwards: i had to switch back to qwerty today to put out a bunch of fires :( | [16:46] |
| cedwards | hopefully you didn't lose too much of what you gained last evening | [16:47] |
| infrared | well, i was using dvorak at work for the first half of the day
then all hell broke loose | [16:47] |
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| cedwards | infrared: well glad to hear you stuck with it as long as you could.
infrared: I've spoken to other people about it and they give up not long after the conversation is over :) | [18:36] |
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| who was it that was talking about using unbound dns the other day? | [18:52] | |
| up_the_irons | me, and a few others | [18:56] |
| cedwards | it has me curious. i've been reading their docs since then.
it looks like it's been around for a while, but this is the first I've heard of it. | [18:57] |
| up_the_irons | yeah it's been around for a while; i had never heard of it either, but some people i consider very knowledgable told me about it | [18:59] |
| cedwards | i manage DNS for a small number of domains, currently using named from FreeBSD ports.
I wonder if it might be worth migrating. | [18:59] |
| up_the_irons | it's pretty easy to migrate b/c the zone file syntax is the same | [19:00] |
| visinin | which one is this, maradns? | [19:00] |
| up_the_irons | just the master nsd.conf needs to be tweaked, and they have a perl script for that (which didn't work very well for me)
visinin: nsd | [19:00] |
| RandalSchwartz | I've heard of nsd.. is it better than bind for an average user? | [19:03] |
| cedwards | the old school guys at my office are big fans of tiny (djbdns), but i've never been convinced to migrate to that. | [19:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | I can't migrate to anything he does :)
on principle | [19:05] |
| visinin | i'm quite happy with djbdns | [19:05] |
| ziyourenxiang | djbdns works fine for me too | [19:05] |
| cedwards | we still use it for a couple of domains, but those are going to be pulled into bind in the next month.
i would like to learn djbdns, but it's not a big priority for me. | [19:06] |
| aem | hi up_the_irons I emailed my ssh key to you guys earlier | [19:06] |
| cedwards | but unbound looks appealing, particularly the zone file compatibility. | [19:06] |
| RandalSchwartz | you guys, like there's more than one of him :) | [19:06] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: nsd vs. bind is like postfix vs. sendmail. all the functionality, less suck
aem: pretty sure i got it, i'll have the user created a little later | [19:07] |
| RandalSchwartz | "hey - steve martin... you guys were great..." | [19:07] |
| aem | np man | [19:07] |
| up_the_irons | cedwards: you mean "nsd" :)
cedwards: unbound is the recursive-only version | [19:07] |
| ziyourenxiang | unbound is a resolver
(according to its website) | [19:08] |
| cedwards | ahh. details. pfft! ;)
I was happy to see that RHEL finally made postfix the default when I installed 6 beta today. | [19:08] |
| aem | just wondering up_the_irons about creating a PTR record(?) for a domain I have on the vps ? | [19:08] |
| RandalSchwartz | that's covered in the faq | [19:09] |
| aem | ok
thanls | [19:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | you can either give info to him, or delegate
either way, you can make it work | [19:09] |
| aem | np I will read | [19:09] |
| up_the_irons | aem: http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/main/reverse-dns
whoa, i need one of those bots so I can just do "! reverse dns" | [19:09] |
| aem | hehe true man | [19:10] |
| up_the_irons | and it'll say the link | [19:10] |
| cedwards | good plan | [19:10] |
| up_the_irons | anyone know the name of that bot? | [19:10] |
| cedwards | the only irc bot i'm familiar with is eggdrop | [19:10] |
| aem | up_the_irons: its a tcl script usually | [19:11] |
| RandalSchwartz | tcl - toy command language | [19:11] |
| ziyourenxiang | hey, tcl is similar to smalltalk in spirit | [19:11] |
| RandalSchwartz | aka "almost like lisp, without any of the advantages" | [19:12] |
| cedwards | I wonder if RandalSchwartz has a language bias.. hmmm. | [19:12] |
| RandalSchwartz | Yes - I'm biased against things that suck | [19:13] |
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| cedwards | tell us how you really feel | [19:17] |
| mike-burns | I'm going out out mhoran[jUaReZ] as a TCL programmer.
He's probably with his TCL-programming friends right now, but when he comes back he can talk about how secretly amazing TCL is. | [19:18] |
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| cedwards | ok. I'm not sure what I did but my newest jail is telling me 'read-only filesystem' when I try to build a port
ohh. bad etc/make.conf in the flavour. erg. | [20:05] |
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