cedwards: i'm familiar with iptables, but i have a DENY policy
cedwards:  i first have to allow input and output
cedwards: then i have -t PREROUTING, and  -t nat POSTROUTING
-t nat*
infrared: I'm _much_ more familiar with iptables than I am pf.
infrared: this was part of the appeal though. use BSD in production to force me to learn it better.
what time do you start setting up vps' in the morning?
Provisioning happens at night, PDT.
oh ok
i just paid anyhow, but ill check for an email tonight
ty
RandalSchwartz: have you ever been able to boot into single user mode from the boot prompt on your vps?
how can i boot into single user from the boot loader prompt, on a zfs on root system?
boot -s ?
oh wait, what os?
I would guess FreeBSD if its zfs?
that's the assumption i made too
(though on freebsd isn't there a menu option to boot single user during boot?)
i don't often get to see the console of freebsd boxes when they reboot :)
thanks guys, tried them both
I haven't had my account long enough to need to use single user mode, but I would assume it'd be available via VNC or console.
boot -s gives me a weird error
I used VNC yesterday and I seem to remember seeing the boot menu
what's the error fink?
cedwards: it's weird, the console shows nothing, and vnc gets to this point and apparently freezes: "Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf"
bob^^: just a sec, i'll tell you
i'll have to hard restart it
networking comes up, but apparently the shell never starts?
the console gets to right before MOTD and stop, and vnc freezes at that point i mentioned
i can ping it, but not ssh it
in
hmm, strange
any special ssh config?
seems strange that it'd bring up network but not ssh
bob^^: unless pf is borked
very possible - can you disable it?
but that still doesn't explain why vnc & console won't allow me to log in
that said, that shouldn't stop you logging in
^^:)
;)
at that point, what happens if you hit control + c ?
wondering if something is hanging trying to dns or whatever?
bob^^: ok, on hte console, i see dmesg, etc. starting services (sshd, etc.)
gets to starting cron & background file checks, displays the current date
and then it should display a username prompt, right?
pretty much, yup
but it just hangs
at that point, press control + c
see if it suddenly jumps back into life
boot off the DVD, mount the filesystem, look at the log
oh - you haven't got it set to do serial console have you?
I submitted my pubkey for serial console yesterday, which I ended up using this morning. I'd recommend it.
bob^^: i hit ctrl-c, nothing, apparently the console is unresponsive too; no console commands work
weird!
if it's set to do serial console iirc this is the point where the kernel shoves everything out the serial port rather than the monitor
could it be something to do with that?
RandalSchwartz: right, i was trying to do that, but apparently i can't mount zfs using fixit?
bob^^: console access was working before this reboot, dunno :(
assuming you haven't changed loader.conf it shouldn't be that :)
or is it in boot.config
you'd know if you'd done it, that's for sure :)
and vnc is really weird, it just stops displaying anything after "Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf"
bob^^: right
something sounds ill
i can get to the boot prompt, but "boot -s" gives me a weird error, i'll try that again
sure you can
you mount it the same way you mounted it when you were building it
remember to kldload opensolaris and zfs
and be sure you set the mountpoint to not be / :)
Booting from Hard Disk… // FreeBSD/i386 boot // Default: zroot:/boot/loader
boot: boot -s
Invalid format
RandalSchwartz: ok i'll try it, thanks
zroot or zpool?
says zroot
Hmm.
oh right
I got those confused too
zroot is what you get if you do it from those instructions
have you *ever* rebooted your box?
and if so, what did you change since the last time? :)
RandalSchwartz: yes, i've rebooted a couple times
did you add some firewall or anything else that would make it hang on boot?
RandalSchwartz: just ntp & tun for openvpn
how did you add tun?
i was screwing around with pf, but it had restarted pf and was not locked out before i rebooted
pf might be freezing on boot then
boot from dvd into the fixit shell, mount your disk, and move pf.conf out of the way
ok
but about tun... :)
how are you creating that?
i merely have "dev tun" in my openvpn.conf
I don't do anything in rc.conf
RandalSchwartz: same here, i just reused a working server config from a 7.2 box
right
except openvpn_enable=YES
me too
ok so that's probably not it
i have a feeling it's somethign with ntp, personally
it's probably a borked pf
oh?
how do you have that?
I just have ntpdate_enable=YES, ntpd_enable=YES
didn't change anything else, and it just works
I'm even using the default ntp.conf :)
well i noticed on the console (which gets right up to where there should be a login prompt), that ntp can't resolve the pool servers because dnscache hasn't started yet
oh - so you have some dns things too
RandalSchwartz: i just changed the ntp.conf to use us servers, that's it
I haven't even bothered with that.
the ntp pool is geo-dns
RandalSchwartz: in fixit, i start an emergency holographic shell…how do i then access it?
so any old instructions to change it aren't needed any more
RandalSchwartz: you're probably right, i didn't need to screw with it
I only know this because my former client, Ask Bjorn Hansen, operates it. :)
it's not the holographic shell.  it's the fixit shell
I tried the holographic thing once and it wasn't what I wanted
same shell you used to install zfs in the first place
ok, dvd shell then
then follow step 6 of http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot
then you should be able to say "zfs list" and see your disk
there might be something else you have to do... can't remember
step 1.6 I mean
step 6 of part 1 :)
RandalSchwartz: awesome, i think i'm getting somewhere. thanks!
this is one feature (of many) that I appreciate about the VPS setup at arp
the fact that I can boot my broken system to poke at it
ok now vnc has stopped responding again…the prompt is frozen
this is too weird
i loaded the kernel modules, and then bazinga
it died when you loaded the module?
ah, i sent a break character, now it's restarting the shell
sorry i false alarm i guess? the shell became unresponsible
responsive*
I seem to remember also needing to type that LD_LIBRARY_PATH export too
because the shell you're using is linked against the dvd
but now you're mounting a new file for /
I *do* know there's a way to do this. sorry for not remembering better.
RandalSchwartz: i can't even type anything or access my shell, i guess i'll hard restart
this is too weird
thanks for your help
yes - try export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/mnt2/lib  before you kldload
and it might be that zfs is now taking time to ensure the disk is ok or something
so boot to the fixit shell, set your library path
then invoke the two kldload
ok cool
at that point, the zfs command should work
hey RandalSchwartz
hey fink
i finally got into single user mode!
yeah?
what was the trick?
i mounted everything with `/sbin/zfs mount -va` or `/sbin/zfs mount -va -o rw`, but when i try to backup my rc.conf, it tells me "Read-only file system"
the trick was restarting from the dvd, and then watching the console; i'm in the console now
for some bizarre reason, the console was not responding when starting straight from disk
anybody get this error in dmesg: "atrtc0: Warning: Couldn't map Interrupt."
how can I solve this error within my jails? 'The search target requires INDEX-8. Please run make index or make fetchindex.'
RandalSchwartz: i can't figure out how to mount the root part of zfsroot, while in fixit mode
'zpool import -f -R /mnt zroot' just gets me /var & /usr
that's a legacy mount
you need to give it a mount point
fink - still there?
hey, yea
now i'm back in single user ;) trying to figure out ed
zfs set mountpoint=/zroot zroot
that'll mount it to /zroot
remember to "set mountpoint=legacy" before rebooting
ah ok, thanks
placed my order :)
hello
ive placed my order 8 hours ago and still never got an initial email sent
litebread: it took about 2 days for mine
RandalSchwartz: thanks for your help; i used sed to edit rc.conf, and turned off pf, openvpn, and ntpd…still no login shell though!
could i have broken something in regards to consoles…
fink 2 days to be setup?
litebread: more like 1.6
what? i heard someone say same day
idk that
fink - sorry to hear
im still keepin it, but i wonder if you can pay extra for a quicker hookup
it has to be something you did recently
find /zroot -mtime -2 -print :)
have you guys seen any admin in the last hour?
Nope.
sometimes my console just freezes randomly :( and i have to reboot the vps
oh
is there something that i could have done to make both vnc & the console freeze?
mike-burns do you know if there is an extra fee payable for setup times?
fink: the only time thats happened to me, i installed an experimental kernel
litebread: I'm just a customer, not an admin. I also don't know what the current setup process is like, sorry.
oh ok, ty tho mike-burns
I'm fully migrated to nsd and unbound now :D
hi litebread
dxtr: bsd?
cedwards: Yeah
Or wait
Wat?
Yes, I'm running FreeBSD and OpenBSD. But I still migrated to nsd and unbound
ohh, nsd. I was thinking you fat-fingered bsd. n being just next to b afterall.
Maybe I'm using dvorak!? ;)
i am
:(
i've been qwerty-free since 2007
I tried migrating around that time too but thought "Fuck this" when I couldn't type with the keyboards at school anymore
I rarely use any machines other than my own
RandalSchwartz: wow. that took all day. i have ssh back
RandalSchwartz: thanks so much for your help
i still have no clue what went wrong; just turned off a bunch of stuff
time to sleep
litebread: you should have got an order confirmation email, they are sent immediately.  check your spam folder.
hi up_the_irons :)
cd $meeting
:o
cedwards: you use dvorak?
infrared: I do.
why?
i've thought about converting to maybe help with the pain in my hands
I used to get wrist and hand pain quite frequently.
how long did it take to get comfortable?
and do you program?
i'm not sure i could re-train away from qwerty now
at first I figured I'd switch because a friend was, and he won me over with some technical benefits (mostly numbers and stats).
i have to say though, the #1 reason I use it now is that I haven't had wrist/hand pain in 3yrs since switching!
really?!
it tooks about 3 weeks to be back to my previous speed on qwerty, and let me tell you it can be a rough three weeks.
i tried for a half hour.. i got so frustrated i couldn't even login :(
honestly, no more wrist pain and I type at minimum 8hrs a day, every day.
do you program?
i don't like where the { } are on dvorak
i was thinking of getting a das keyboard
(the totally blank one)
oh wait { } didn't move (i think)
I can't rationalize the cost (I have three kids..), but I'd *love* one of those keyboards.
infrared: I don't program, much. I do a good amount of bash scripting and I also teach PHP as a cont. ed course
but it isn't my full-time gig. I'm a sysadmin, so its a lot of ssh here and there, commands, etc.
yeah.. i'm a sys admin, and try to do perl whenever i have time
up_the_irons
ty i found it in the blocked folder
the {} doesn't really bug me. what gets me is l and / ( p [ )
spam caught it?
yes it did
particularly on *nix where / and ls are so common
hmm.. up_the_irons, is your PTR set correctly?
i wanted to ask you what the avg setup time is for today?
litebread: for me < 8 hrs i think.. can't remember for sure though
its in your email litebread :)
i just have a range of 24-48
cedwards: while you learned.. do you go back 'n forth to a qwerty to "get work done" ?
heh
litebread: I think my new account was setup the next day after signing up. It's really not bad.
infrared: no. if you do that you'll never learn.
oh okay ty
cedwards: heh.. cause i can imagine something down, and my boss watching behind my shoulder as i try to fix something and typing 1 word per minute :)
infrared: http://www.dvzine.org/
i didnt know if would be you know a while if they had like some places a price for speedy setup or what have you
infrared: print out the layout as a reference and just switch cold-turkey.
that should be fine though, if they dont and its tomorrow itll still be fine
typerwriter
hah cute comic
infrared: I think BSD has it, but I know Linux has a 'gtypist' package which includes a dvorak typing tutor.
infrared: I used that a lot when I was starting out.
cedwards: i use opensuse.. i've used it before
infrared: you're a sysadmin and use opensuse? thats.. must be an old habit? :)
i cant type on a dvorak at all i have an old sparc machine here with that
home row - aoeuidhtns
cedwards: opensuse for a desktop? can't go wrong.  i'm a freebsd fan for servers, and we use SLES at work
the vowels first
infrared: I'll agree that suse makes a pretty desktop, but it's all german over-engineering underneath! :)
opensuse is a great desktop
cedwards: better than using RedHat. (at work)
litebread: all vowels on the left hand and most common consonants on the right hand.
cool
im looking at the one i have here at the house now, i have not checked it out in a while and wow
hah, that's a great comic :)
infrared: I have my problems with Red Hat, but I do have a bit of a bias. I'm RHCT/CE/CI/CX (tech,engineer,instructor,examiner)
it would take me sooo long to adjust
infrared: we're all centos at work, with a few debian servers mixed in.
cedwards: certifications mean nothing to me. it's what you can prove
infrared: but I run arch on my laptop, and BSD or debian on my servers.
cedwards: certifications only matter when you're job hunting trying to get past those "HR firewalls"
infrared: i suppose. i do like the RH exams though. They do try to make it more "real world" than fill-in-the-blanks.
we used to cover suse in our courseware, and I always found it a little overcomplicated.
..but I guess that's why I like Arch.
well, SLES (nowadays) is built on opensuse
it's really nice (for a linux distro)
man, irssi has too many big depends
irssi is life
I'll try opensuse for workstation some day :)
irssi+bitlbee+screen+ssh. i can't remember life without it.
what is bitlbee?
Terminal.app + ssh + screen + emacs + irc.el :)
cedwards: I prefer tmux
RandalSchwartz: Why would you use your text editor as an irc client? :(
infrared: im->irc gateway. basically allows you to do your im (jabber, etc) in irssi as well.
bah.. pidgin++
RandalSchwartz: Terminal.app, or even iTerm.app can't quite cut it over Konsole.
bah. pidgin is awwful
no way..i need *some* level of smiley icons and chat windows
makes sense to me to do im/irc in the same place. it is nearly the same thing anyway.
infrared: What's so good with Pidgin? I mean, it got smiley icons
I even turn those off whenever I end up with pidgin :P
I do *everything* inside emacs
mail, usenet, irc, even edit files!
Why would you do that? :(
dxtr: it does what i need it to.
and I run terminal sessions inside emacs too
infrared: Like...? :)
dxtr: multiple protocols
Bitlbee can do that?
RandalSchwartz: forgive me if I should know why and I'm spacing, but your name seems so familiar to me.
dxtr: can do what?
there's a wikipedia page about me
maybe that will ring a bell. :)
cedwards: Some random internet celebrity
:D
just a geek. :)
RandalSchwartz: must be the Perl stuff. I know I had seen the name somewhere.
RandalSchwartz: My friend about you: "He must possess a lot of information! Just imagine! Seriously!"
not FLOSS Weekly?
you have an odd friend dxtr
Literally "possess a lot of information" :P
No kidding?
RandalSchwartz: I grew up in Portland.. but I wasn't a geek by the time I left there, so it couldn't have been that.
RandalSchwartz: what's your cpan username
merlyn
it was the very first six-char name
i've seen "stonehedge" somewhere..i think it was in the Moose docs
because they had to rebuild the database for me :)
the moose docs refer to my "moose is flying" articles I think
... http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/LinuxMag/col94.html
... http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/LinuxMag/col95.html
ah yes
so do you still have root on a bunch of intel's machines that nobody knows about
which I had to re-read when I had to use Moose for a project last year.
yeah - I re-read my own articles. :)
RandalSchwartz: "HAHA!" nelson style
nelson?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Muntz
oh - simpsons
I've been using FreeBSD jails for a while now and I still get impressed with how efficient it all is
very slow :(
you can do it!
infrared: how 'bout this. I'll use qwerty as long as you're using dvorak.
infrared: we'll suffer together, but it'll be worth it.
haha
RandalSchwartz: not to "be that guy" but, emacs? really?
why would you want to do that?
eh?
RandalSchwartz: you mentioned you do everything from within emacs earlier.
sure.
one user interface that sits well inside a long running screen session
with universal cut-n-paste-n-edit
and fully customizable
RandalSchwartz: I request (demand!) screenshots of this insanity :)
granted I've never given it a long chance, but the idea that it does *everything* seems kind of opposite the unix philosophy to me.
are we talking emacs or Perl here? :)
lol. emacs
yeah, emacs
i'm not trying to troll, I've just never got a straight answer on emacs vs unix philosophy before
I don't see them in opposition
"do one thing and do it well" vs emacs: everything && the kitchen sink
Do one thing great vs. do everything at once? :P
I'm sorry.  still don't see it.  I'm much more practical than positional.
that's why I'm using OSX.  It works better for me.
Im using it as well
could anyone tell me how much it would be for more ram on the vps?
litebread: its on the site
<-- ancient xterm on openbsd laptop to openbsd colo running irssi over v6 the whole way. wheeeezorz.
sorry infrared i do not see it
of course, my FLOSS fanboy friends can't figure out why I'd have an iphone and not an android, and OSX and not pc-bsd on my desktop
to some of them I'm some kind of traitor
nice toddf :)
says to contact us for cutomized vps, i found it :)
litebread: its practically on the main page
toddf: I'm stoked to play with ipv6 on this new vps. haven't gotten around to it yet.
some people (myself included) think floss support is a lifestyle. use something proprietary, you support the other side. others (good friend of mine who loves to rib me all the time) use what works for them regardless of cost or free-ness. its a choice, not a religion.
there ya go
I am so glad I'm over my free-tard stage.
free-tard ?
lol
I even tell people to pronounce my last name as 'free software' then 'drop the "oftware"'
you know. the real free software zealots that will all but tell you you're going to rot in hell for using non-free firmware.
firmware that can be distributed freely that is required for the os to load for the device to work (i.e. most wifi chipsets these days) is one thing
the source to the same firmware is quite another
freely distributable firmware should be a given, not a hard fight that happens now and then
the source to the firmware, well, have fun
firmware is not binary blob drivers for the os, that's another ball of wax
if you use binary blobs you're handing the keys to the kingdom to whomever handed you that blob
at this point, while I generally feel free software is the better solution, using non-free software is not one of the seven deadly sins
no hell involved in any event, clearly a choice of convenience vs freedom and inspectability
infared: thank you, i used the email part of the 'contact page' to inquiry about the extra memory and ips
its a choice, some justify wrongly perhaps, but a choice nonetheless
personally I find it more convenient I can install an os w/out phoning for a license or going through my wallet to get one, but that's just me
ohh I definitely agree
holy smokes im slow with this
infrared: keep it up. you're doing great ;)
haha
teh vast majority of my software is open, but I still break for flash and skype and junk like that
skype++
infrared: didn't take you long to type that!
:)
but hopefully html5 will kill flash. fingers crossed.
cedwards: fingers, and toes, and everything inbetween, yes indeedy
youtube even lets you try out html5
but only in evil H.264
I can play h.264 on any player I have, so at least its not so evil I require binary blobs to play it
did i really start the free-vs-nonfree war? /facepalm
and here I thought it was a civil discussion
*gpl vs bsd* !BOOOM!
Artistic 2.0, all the way, baybee!
but even Artistic 1.0 was recently found enforcable in federal court recently
oops.  redundant *and* redundant
cedwards: / is in a horrible spot
infrared: yeah, that one takes some getting used to.
infrared: seriously. wrist pain or a few weeks of discomfort
Hello, any arp admins active?
if you get on typewriter and are as unfortunately obsessive as I am you'll have it figured out quite quickly
typeracer***
:(  so much for rearranging my keyboard
i guess certain keys need to be in certain rows
alias no='ls'
haha
lol
infrared: I was lucky in that I didn't really learn vim until _after_ I had learned dvorak.
infrared: otherwise that would have made the learning curve quite a bit worse.
sweet. my Dropbox is now at 8.5G after referrals.
rsync++
ohh I use that too, but Dropbox can be very convenient at times.
similarly, one of my fairly recent setups that I really like is tracking my home folder (particularly .dotfiles) in a git repo
inotify -> rsync :)
man if i type this slow at work i might get demoted :)
for the sake of your job man. keep practicing!
is it wrong that I'm already very tempted to pickup a second machine here?
not at all
I've already provisioned 2
thinking of a third (at the $20 rate) just to have a second machine to "play"
I would love to migrate my linode to FreeBSD here.
and freebsd has full linux execution (*not* emulation)
I've really enjoyed Linode--I'd recommend them--but the availability of FreeBSD is just too tempting (plus, better deal!)
so you could probably move most of yoru binaries
I'm sure I could rebuild it (webserver) on FreeBSD and get better performance.
sure
well maybe not *much* better necessarily
like I said, not emulation.  native calls
part of my problem is I built 64bit there, but only have 360M. That uses more of my limited memory.
for the same price I'd get double the RAM and I'd likely build 32bit and get that little bit extra.
I still haven't been convinced of the benefits of 64bit at < 4G RAM.
if anyone is thinking of another vps, get 'em while they are hot b/c at the end of the month i will most likely be sold out; and unlike before when i would just buy a new box, i am going on hiatus for May, b/c LA data center expansion has taken up all resources
probably won't have a new box until mid-to-end of May
hi up_the_irons I placed my order earlier :)
aem: ok,  you should get it tonight then :)
cool thanks man!
np
up_the_irons: the site says, in regards to the promo, one per customer.
up_the_irons: if I were to get one more, what would the specs be on the second?
cedwards: oh forget that, you can get another if you want
up_the_irons: even better :)
:)
looks like the only difference is 100GB more of b/w
768 / 20 / 100 for $20
instead of 768 / 20 / 200 for the special
RandalSchwartz: hey, bandwidth is bandwidth. the "currency of the internet".
yeah - I don't think I've ever gotten near my limits
cedwards: which promo are you referring to if I may ask?
arpnetworks.com/vps
the $20 special
like insightcruises.com mail/dns is running
and soon maybe even web etc
aem: I guess the extra 100G of bandwidth
ah yes of course
i rarely use much bandwidth either, but I'd rather have extra than not enough
I don't think up_the_irons is going to show up at my door if I go over though. :)
at least once or twice.
at my current host I have currently used: 51.8 GB for the month.
that is pretty well average for me.
oh cool!
to be honest, it wasn't clear to me that the bandwidth was the special.
maybe I just didn't read closely enough, but i initially thought it was the storage.
Friday and Gannon, at my door!
which of course, dates me. :)
since nobody else will :)
Dragnet?
yeah - that was fbi wasn't it?
oh maybe not
they were LAPD
better shoot off to support@
is email or support tickets preferred?
cedwards: they are equivalent
up_the_irons: thanks
np
up_the_irons: i had placed an order at 4am PDT, i wanted to know when did i need to do this and how much a ram upgrade would be
litebread: all the prices are here: http://arpnetworks.com/vps
litebread: i generally don't do piecemeal upgrades; so if you want more ram, pick the next highest plan
litebread: "when did i need to do this" <-- what do you mean?
add the extra ram, its fine however ive placed my order ill just go with that
i had another question to regarding ips, i noticed 13 was the highest listed, if i needed anoymore than that will they be available after setup?
get your customers to connect in v6
you get millions of those. :)
....yeah.
heh
yes i see that you do get quite a few,
no, millions..
a /48
lots and lots
ehe
yes indeed
2 ** (128 - 48) :)
litebread: you can upgrade at any time; you can get more IPs than 13 but you'll have to fill out an IP Justification form and comply with RFC 2050
yeah ipv4 is pretty scarce now
up_the_irons: ok thank you
right i think its what about a year left
or a little more at the rate they are going
I've been playing with miredo
right
which lets me tunnel v6 over v4
so I can ssh into my box using v6
cool
host -t aaaa red.stonehenge.com
why do you need 13 ips?
vhosts prolly
i will be setting up a few different things
vhosts is actually one of the needs for them
irc vhosts?
vhosts don't need it
but SSL does
litebread: just use ipv6 for irc vhosts
yes
most major irc networks support ipv6
sorry was afk, coil ty ill do that then
most of the world sanely has v6
it's just the US that sucks
althogh comcast is rolling out v6 trials
6rd and dual stack soon
imagine port knocking in a /48 :)
yeah
you could probably even encode a couple of bytes in each icmp packet
IP over ICMP, anyone? :)
this will be my first non-lab foray into v6. i'm stoked.
i wish my isp supported it :(
im getting pretty good at this keyboard. :)
infrared: good to hear
RandalSchwartz: after all that ntp junk, i found that the vps' clock was off by about 5 hours. do you think that might have had something to do with all the weirdness?
what ipv6 tunneling service(s) do you all like?
hetunnel i like
how about you?
I don't have a preference. Never really bothered using one before.
yeah
i had to because of this vps i had
litebread: hetunnel you say?
is that the same thing as tunnelbroker.net?
sponsored by he.net?
yes, cedwards
let me check coil
it is sponser by hurricane electric
tunnelbroker.net it is
brb guys
looks like my home router doesn't support protocol 41.
;(
oh man
all the more reason to migrate from the netgear router to a pfsense setup.
yeah thatd be nice
just need to make sure I can 1) auth to my DSL provider 2) still use the netgear as a wireless AP.
yeah, hopefully everthing works out with that
that'll be quite the project. definitely going to have to wait on that.
or just go buy a new router/AP
yeah
time vs money
sup?
idk bro
im about to afk for the night here soon, and maybe have better luck tomorrow
in about a half hour
litebread: ttyl
ttyl fink
hello?
i ordered the server an wanted to see its almost 24 hours atm
how long until it would be setup?
i guess ill try back tomorrow morning (PDT) and see. also wanted to know if there is an extra 'speedy setup' cost
ok im sleep