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[06:23] <homosaur> man, just got my ubuntu server partially up and running. i love having full access to my server again.
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[07:20] <dxtr> homosaur: Wat?
[07:21] <homosaur> i was on some bs shared hosting package for awhile to save some money to work on some rails apps. it was an absolute nightmare, and i'm spending less per month with arp
[07:22] <fink> yea shared is generally not great
[07:23] <dxtr> Hehe
[07:24] <dxtr> I'm totally happy with arp. The only problem I've got is the distance (Around 170ms ping and like.. ~500KB/s speeds)
[07:24] <bob^^> that's my only issue too dxtr
[07:24] <bob^^> (i'm in the UK)
[07:24] <bob^^> apart from that, works great: )
[07:24] <dxtr> But my connection to the VPS died a couple of times today!
[07:24] <dxtr> both from home and from school
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[11:27] <dxtr> Guys
[11:29] <fink> Girls
[11:31] <RandalSchwartz> girls?  where?
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[11:48] <Pv1> hello
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[11:51] <Pv1> anyone know when obsd 4.7 will be offered?
[11:51] * RandalSchwartz says goodbye to obsd, never looking back
[11:52] <RandalSchwartz> seven years with obsd, started using fbsd, never happier!
[11:52] <RandalSchwartz> do you have a particular reason for obsd?
[11:52] <Pv1> personal preference
[11:53] <RandalSchwartz> sure.  based on what?
[11:53] <RandalSchwartz> it's *always* a personal preference. :)
[11:53] <Pv1> security
[11:54] <RandalSchwartz> yeah - that's mostly why I picked it over the years
[11:54] <RandalSchwartz> then I saw how much time and energy freebsd was putting into security, and how much *other* stuff I was giving up, and switched
[11:54] <RandalSchwartz> zfs on / is hard to beat
[11:54] <RandalSchwartz> freebsd ports is *huge*
[11:56] <dxtr> RandalSchwartz: I'm using obsd on my router :P
[11:56] <RandalSchwartz> yeah - that's where it belongs
[11:56] <RandalSchwartz> between you and the world :)
[11:57] <dxtr> RandalSchwartz: Btw, I heard you're one of those perl guys. I just wanna say that I made my first (real) perl script today! :D
[11:57] <RandalSchwartz> only 22 years after I did. :)
[11:57] <dxtr> You can at least cheer :(
[11:58] <RandalSchwartz> I was.  I was happy there for a moment.
[11:58] <dxtr> Until you realized I suck? :D
[11:58] <RandalSchwartz> so then I decided to say something clever.
[11:58] * Pv1 steers clear of the OS war.
[11:58] <RandalSchwartz> Uh - I'd be cheering if it was about numbers.
[11:58] <Pv1> Any arp folks around?
[11:58] <RandalSchwartz> I'm happy you have the choice of langauges.  And I'm happy that you got Perl to work for you.
[11:59] <RandalSchwartz> However, I'm about the same level of happy if you had said Python or Ruby or even csh.
[11:59] <RandalSchwartz> since the specific language of choice doesn't matter much to me now
[11:59] <RandalSchwartz> maybe that's me just getting old and cynical
[12:01] <dxtr> RandalSchwartz: You're so naive. Ofcourse the choice of language matters. I don't wanna hang out with those Python geeks
[12:01] * dxtr shivers
[12:01] <RandalSchwartz> heh
[12:01] <dxtr> They're cold
[12:13] <dxtr> RandalSchwartz: http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/radiotjanst.pl.txt go ahead and bash it :D
[12:13] <dxtr> I know it's in Swedish - but still!
[12:18] <RandalSchwartz> I would have just used LWP::Simple
[12:18] <RandalSchwartz> instead of HTTP::Lite
[12:19] <RandalSchwartz> and you need to check the return from open()
[12:20] <dxtr> Hmm.. LWP::Simple
[12:23] <dxtr> Ahh! LWP::Simple::Mirror? :)
[12:23] <dxtr> Seems awesome
[12:23] <dxtr> Though saving the entire page doesn't seem that awesome
[12:25] <RandalSchwartz> no no.  just LWP::Simple;
[12:25] <RandalSchwartz> use LWP::Simple qw(get);
[12:25] <RandalSchwartz> my $contents = get "http:...";
[12:25] <RandalSchwartz> far easier :)
[12:25] <dxtr> Yeah, but for a short minute there the mirror function looked like a good idea
[12:25] <RandalSchwartz> shiny objects. :)
[12:25] <dxtr> s/looked/seemed/
[12:26] <dxtr> Hehe
[12:28] <awyeah> ...
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[12:46] <dxtr> RandalSchwartz: Suddensly it stopped working when I used LWP::Simple :D
[12:46] <dxtr> Same content, same regex
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[12:58] <dxtr> hmm.. Utf-8 problems
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[13:00] <greg_dolley> hello all
[13:01] <dxtr> Hello
[13:02] <dxtr> RandalSchwartz: In short: LWP::Simple doesn't seem to like UTF-8 :P
[13:05] <dxtr> Nothing that 'use utf8;' didn't solve though
[13:05] <dxtr> So nevermind!
[13:14] <up_the_irons> I installed Ubuntu, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD on my new Atom box.  I think I'm sticking with OpenBSD.  It was the only one where I could do the whole install over the serial port without doing anything special
[13:16] <up_the_irons> and when it asks if I want to change the default console to "com0", after install, it really does it through and through.  Like, it'll be sure to run a getty for you on /dev/tty00 because it figures you'd probably want that ;)  everything else you have to set it up manually
[13:16] <up_the_irons> s/everything else/the other OS's I tried/
[13:18] <dxtr> Call me retarded, but how do a serial console work? :)
[13:19] <fink> dxtr: there's a freebsd page on it
[13:19] <dxtr> really?
[13:20] <fink> dxtr: no, i'm totally lying
[13:20] <dxtr> Right
[13:20] <up_the_irons> dxtr: it is used a lot for out of band access, and kernel development debugging, but I only use it for the former
[13:21] <dxtr> up_the_irons: I mainly asked *HOW* it worked. But still :)
[13:21] <up_the_irons> dxtr: you can manage a server over the serial port instead of using monitor / kb (which you won't have if your server is remote).  This excludes IPMI of course.
[13:22] <dxtr> I know that far
[13:22] <up_the_irons> dxtr: tell the system to use serial port as console instead of monitor / kb, then you connect with some terminal program
[13:22] <up_the_irons> minicom, or kermit
[13:22] <up_the_irons> when i connect it straight into my laptop
[13:22] <bob^^> it's especially good if the hardware supports it properly so you can get into the bios over serial too
[13:22] <up_the_irons> or conserver when it is remote
[13:23] <up_the_irons> bob^^: yeah i can get bios over serial on the atom
[13:23] <bob^^> perfect :)
[13:23] <up_the_irons> yup
[13:23] <bob^^> supermicro tend to do a pretty good job on stuff like that :D
[13:23] <up_the_irons> yeah, i'm very happy
[13:23] <dxtr> up_the_irons: Abuot conserver
[13:23] <dxtr> About*
[13:23] <dxtr> How do one set that up? I've been thinking of something like that for my router
[13:24] <bob^^> what os are you running dxtr ?
[13:24] <dxtr> bob^^: obsd
[13:24] <bob^^> ah
[13:24] <up_the_irons> i tried both CF-SATA as hard disk and WD Caviar Green 1TB.  The CF-SATA was flaky, but used virtually no power.  the WD green drive used about 7W when active, 2-3W when idle.  so not bad for 1TB
[13:24] <dxtr> I mostly need to know what hardware I've gotta buy :)
[13:24] <bob^^> no hardware
[13:24] <up_the_irons> dxtr: how long is a piece of string?  your question has no direct answer
[13:25] <bob^^> just need a serial port on the server, and a serial port on your desktop/laptop/whatever
[13:25] <bob^^> nice power usage on that WD drive up_the_irons :D
[13:25] <fink> up_the_irons: what was the cf's capacity?
[13:26] <bob^^> dxtr: not sure how relevant this will be for openbsd but it might give you an idea of how it works/how it's achieved on freebsd: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/serialconsole-setup.html
[13:28] <dxtr> Oh, nevermind me by the way! :) I'm not thinking right now
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[13:33] <up_the_irons> bob^^: yeah, i'm impressed with the power.  but unless i need the space, i want to get it < 1W
[13:33] <up_the_irons> bob^^: so my buddy just lent me his 64G SSD
[13:33] <up_the_irons> gonna see how that works tonight
[13:33] <up_the_irons> fink: 8GB
[13:34] <fink> up_the_irons: what will you use this low power system for?
[13:34] <up_the_irons> fink: nagios, openvpn, and conserver
[13:35] <fink> ahc ool
[13:36] <up_the_irons> yeah
[13:36] <fink> i'm into domotics
[13:41] <bob^^> nice, i'd be interested to hear how the SSD is on power
[13:41] <RandalSchwartz> I wonder if a buglabs device will run non-linux?
[13:42] <up_the_irons> bob^^: i'll let you know
[13:43] <bob^^> cool :)
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[14:38] <homosaur> so i haven't needed a mail server in awhile and when i did it was still back when sendmail was a security nightmare. any suggestion on mail software nowadays?
[14:39] <RandalSchwartz> I run postfix + dovecot
[14:39] <RandalSchwartz> and postgrey and amavisd-new
[14:39] <RandalSchwartz> between those, most of my spam is stopped
[14:39] <RandalSchwartz> postfix has good security, and *sane* config files
[14:39] <RandalSchwartz> but still more knobs than you can ever master in a lifetime
[14:40] <fink> postfix is pretty stable, but the config requires a shitload of research/reading
[14:40] <RandalSchwartz> only if you're doing something unusual
[14:40] <RandalSchwartz> out of the box, it's an ok leafnode
[14:40] <up_the_irons> i use qmail myself, but would not wish that nightmare upon anyone else.
[14:40] <fink> RandalSchwartz: i guess i just need to know what everything does
[14:40] <RandalSchwartz> if you want to relay or something, it's a bit harder
[14:40] <homosaur> postfix was what i have run before, but i want to make sure that it hadn't regressed in quality
[14:40] <RandalSchwartz> it's very up to date
[14:40] <RandalSchwartz> lots of recent changes
[14:40] <fink> up_the_irons: i love tinydns/dnscache, but qmail freaks me out
[14:40] <RandalSchwartz> Wietse is a good guy
[14:40] <up_the_irons> almost everyone i know runs postfix
[14:40] <up_the_irons> fink: it's pretty scary
[14:41] <RandalSchwartz> I should get him on FLOSS.
[14:41] <RandalSchwartz> we've had beers together
[14:41] <fink> RandalSchwartz: he's polish?
[14:41] <up_the_irons> fink: but stable and reliable
[14:41] <up_the_irons> RandalSchwartz: yeah, you should get him on
[14:42] <homosaur> RandalSchwartz: if anyone can spend and hour interviewing someone about mail servers, it would be you, mate
[14:43] <homosaur> RandalSchwartz: by the way, i heard about arp from you on twitter, love the service. spending almost half as much as my last vps host
[14:43] <RandalSchwartz> homosaur - good for you
[14:43] <RandalSchwartz> see up_the_irons?  they follow me. :)
[14:43] <bob^^> exim is pretty good
[14:43] <bob^^> needs a bit of learning to configure, but it's always done everything i need (and a lot more)
[14:44] <bob^^> and with a decent spamassassin/clamav combo it filters out most spam too
[14:44] <up_the_irons> RandalSchwartz: oh I believe it :)
[14:47] <fink> i want to do something with lamson next
[14:48] <bob^^> hmm
[14:48] <bob^^> a mail exchanger in python :/
[14:48] <bob^^> surely performance will suck
[14:49] <mike-burns> Python can be fast.
[14:49] <bob^^> no real experience for me, just assuming it'll be slow given it's interpreted
[14:49] <RandalSchwartz> all the mail has to be properly indented.
[14:49] <RandalSchwartz> YAML preferred. :)
[14:49] <fink> bob^^: you're probably right
[14:50] <bob^^> if you want something where the config is pretty much a script file, exim isn't far from that
[14:50] <fink> bob^^: but i'm just not going to do any more C , period
[14:50] <bob^^> heh, can't blame you there :)
[14:50] <fink> life is too short
[14:51] <mike-burns> Haskell is as fast as C. OCaML comes pretty close.
[14:51] <mike-burns> You're not stuck with C if you want speed.
[14:51] <RandalSchwartz> JITted smalltalk is close to C
[14:51] <bob^^> i still like pascal
[14:51] <mike-burns> Oh yeah, Smalltalk is fast too.
[14:51] <fink> mike-burns: i want clean, indented ease ;)
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[15:29] <amdprophet> What does a webdesigner riding a train hear?
[15:29] <greg_dolley> what?
[15:30] <amdprophet> <td></td><td></td>
[15:30] <greg_dolley> LOL
[15:30] <amdprophet> rofl
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[18:29] <nbari> Hi, any of the arpnetworks staff here ?
[18:40] <amdprophet> nbari: up_the_irons is but he's most likely busy
[18:40] <nbari> i see
[18:41] <nbari> they take also a lot to responde for support ?
[18:42] <amdprophet> no, we've always been supported quite fast, you need to e-mail support though
[18:43] <nbari> maybe they are rich since for billing take a lot to respond :D
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[20:56] <SamSneed> hi - potential new ARP VPS customer here. Can I ask a few questions?
[20:56] <SamSneed> anyone?
[20:57] <SamSneed> I guess not.
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